NBA Trade Rumors Thread- I Love this junk

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Don't get me wrong. I really like the guy. But a top 5 player leads his team to a better record than 8th in the east. I can get on board with 11-13. But jimmy butler is not currently a top 5 player in the NBA.

Hard to put Butler top 5.

In your opinion, who are 5 guys that Butler can't touch?

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Hard to put Butler top 5.

In your opinion, who are 5 guys that Butler can't touch?

I would argue harden, Russ, lebron, Durant and steph. But I'd also argue that kawhi, Lowry, AD, giannis, cousins, Chris Paul are all better. Then some guys are in the same category.

[Harper]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Don't get me wrong. I really like the guy. But a top 5 player leads his team to a better record than 8th in the east. I can get on board with 11-13. But jimmy butler is not currently a top 5 player in the NBA.

His team is bad. An old wade, old rondo taj Gibson and rolo are the rest of the starting 5. I can only think of about 5 guys that could lead that team to the playoffs with that team Curry, Durant, Westbrook, Leonard, James. I think butler is in the 6-10 range.

And I think bulls need to hang on to him. Wade stinks but he is improving our FA reputation. Plus he has a team option and if not a championship contender he may bolt. Rondo is not guaranteed. Taj is a FA. They could clear a ton of cap space and maybe make a real splash in FA

[drobfan8]

The Bulls would be stupid to trade Butler unless they're cleaning house.

I'm not a huge fan of rumours because almost nothing ever eventuates.

Milsapp to OKC would be great for them, Westbrook and him in the pick and roll/pop. Wow.

[sportzluvr1]

Originally Posted by Harper

His team is bad. An old wade, old rondo taj Gibson and rolo are the rest of the starting 5. I can only think of about 5 guys that could lead that team to the playoffs with that team Curry, Durant, Westbrook, Leonard, James. I think butler is in the 6-10 range.

And I think bulls need to hang on to him. Wade stinks but he is improving our FA reputation. Plus he has a team option and if not a championship contender he may bolt. Rondo is not guaranteed. Taj is a FA. They could clear a ton of cap space and maybe make a real splash in FA

I disagree. I think they are a real darkhorse in the playoffs. Mirotic and McDermott are really starting to come into their own to supplement the offense coming off the bench and when you have a 1-3 of Rondo, Wade, and Butler then the respectable+ frontcourt of Taj and Lopez is more than enough. Gritty, defense-first guys that give you 12+7 and 9+7 respectively.

You guessed it, I'm a Bulls fan

[drobfan8]

I think Boston need a deal so bad if they want to do anything this season but it's probably too late.

But maybe if they can buy low they get Bogut.

[bkcardcollector]

Milsap to Toronto makes a lot of sense to me. Toronto has a big need for a PF and Milsap would turn them into a contender.

Denver maybe but they are not as eager as Toronto to get better this year but they do have a lot of moveable pieces.

Boston? Do they really want to be ATL 2.0

I think a Dragic trade makes a lot of sense for the Heat but not sure how much they could get back for him.

[Jpayne7787]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Don't get me wrong. I really like the guy. But a top 5 player leads his team to a better record than 8th in the east. I can get on board with 11-13. But jimmy butler is not currently a top 5 player in the NBA.

Is Giannis a top 5 player? Bc the Bucks are currently 9th

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by Jpayne7787

Is Giannis a top 5 player? Bc the Bucks are currently 9th

See my list above. No. he is not. I do think he's a spot or two ahead of butler in the NBA hierarchy. Oh, and they're actually 7th.

[Harper]

Originally Posted by the27guy

I would argue harden, Russ, lebron, Durant and steph. But I'd also argue that kawhi, Lowry, AD, giannis, cousins, Chris Paul are all better. Then some guys are in the same category.

Yeah, ok, maybe he is #10-12 range. I don't think lowry or Paul are better than him today. Paul George is in a similar category as butler, but his team is doing worse with better supporting cast

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by Harper

Yeah, ok, maybe he is #10-12 range. I don't think lowry or Paul are better than him today. Paul George is in a similar category as butler, but his team is doing worse with better supporting cast

To be clear, Chris Paul.

I agree on Paul George. Same conversation. Not sure who is better. Blake is hurt, but when healthy.... marc gasol has to be in the conversation. Derozan is close but I probably go with butler. Klay? Hayward and gobert get no love but you cant argue with the year they've each had. Lillard? I probably put butler above all those guys talent wise. not sure he's a good teammate. Have heard rumblings about that here and there. Yeah 10-12 is fair. But I'd argue 8-9 through about 25 is not very easy to rank.

[Jpayne7787]

Originally Posted by the27guy

See my list above. No. he is not. I do think he's a spot or two ahead of butler in the NBA hierarchy. Oh, and they're actually 7th.

I didn't see the list my apology, however the Bucks are 9th after the loss today :/

[jcmel323]

Dont know if you guys heard the rumor...
Philly offers nerlens noel, covington and 2 second round picks for millsap (if he agrees for an extension).
AND..
Philly offers Okafor, Ilyasova and a first round pick from this year (probably a 8-11pick) for jimmy butler.

Embiid
Millsap
Saric
Butler
Simmons

[jcmel323]

Forgot to mention that philly has another 1st round pick this year

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

I eat this stuff up

-All the speculation of big trades that usually never happen.

-Finding out which front offices really believe their team has the nuts to compete with the big boys in the post-season and teams who are just good enough to not have a shot at a deep run or lottery pick and therefore have to make a move to tip the scales either way (Atlanta, I'm looking at you).



One big proposal: If I'm the Thunder, I'm seeing if I can dangle Sabonis out there in front of the Hawks as the centerpiece for a Millsap trade. Now I wouldn't give up much more than that, as I believe Sabonis is going to be a real player for a long time, but it looks like that's about what it's going to take for the Hawks to give him up.
For OKC, a starting 5 of Westbrook-Oladipo-roberson-Millsap-Adams can do some things in the playoffs. Aside from shooting, he's exactly what they need as a big that can add some scoring at the 4. And if you're Atlanta, you've already indicated you're going more toward the rebuilding stages rather than trying to compete. With Schroeder, Prince, Sabonis, and the high pick they bring in next year, you have a solid core of young, skilled players that can help guide the organization toward the future. Hey, maybe they're taking the ole' Magic model when they made Dwight the nucleus of the offense and put pieces around him?

What moves do you guys want to see happen?

You have 0 need for a PF clogging the lane more when Adams already clogs it up enough. You've already got kanter too on the bench acting as a millsap on offense... Id much rather see gay to OKC rather than Millsap because the SF depth/starting SF on the thunder = poor.

Butler isn't a top 5 player.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by jcmel323

Dont know if you guys heard the rumor...
Philly offers nerlens noel, covington and 2 second round picks for millsap (if he agrees for an extension).
AND..
Philly offers Okafor, Ilyasova and a first round pick from this year (probably a 8-11pick) for jimmy butler.

Embiid
Millsap
Saric
Butler
Simmons

Wow.

Go Philly.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by Jpayne7787

I didn't see the list my apology, however the Bucks are 9th after the loss today :/

My bad. You're right. App hadn't updated. In any case their records are pretty darn similar. I'd take giannis over butler. But I could see an argument either way.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by the27guy

I would argue harden, Russ, lebron, Durant and steph. But I'd also argue that kawhi, Lowry, AD, giannis, cousins, Chris Paul are all better. Then some guys are in the same category.

Kind of the way I see it.

Those top 5 are in a league of their own, with LeBron on top until someone can prove they are more dominant in the post season. Curry hasn't performed as well as the other 4 this season, but I'll give him some credit based on the last 2 seasons.

It could probably be debated where he fits in with the rest of the guys.

[drobfan8]

The clips should trade Griffin for Milsapp.

Chris Paul is better without him.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

The clips should trade Griffin for Milsapp.

Chris Paul is better without him.

Griffin might be better without cp as well. Unless things really come together for this team by the deadline, I think one of those two main clippers gets traded.

So much could happen between now and the deadline.

[duron]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Bulls beat Cavs, Hornets, Raptors this week BECAUSE of Butler.

Wow, that's crazy, I had no idea a week's worth of games could catapult a player into top 5 territory.

I guess I could understand if it was "Bulls4Life"

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Bulls beat Cavs, Hornets, Raptors this week BECAUSE of Butler.

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[CubKings]

Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

I'm not a big Rudy Gay fan neither but I'd do that deal. You need another go-to offensive weapon. Gay would help Westbrook immensely the 3 every 5 games he actually tries in. A lot less pressure on Roberson to contribute offensively and continue his role as the long, atheltic defensive stopper that he is (nicest way I can call somebody a one-trick pony but it's true). A starting 5 of Russ-Dipo-Roberson-Gay-Adams looks pretty well-rounded in my book. And with Westbrooks drive and determination, anything can happen come playoff time. Strengthens your bench as well by moving Sabonis to the backup 4.

Yeah, Gay is a good 20 PPG guy. OKC needs another legit scorer.

And I don't thing Payne is anything real special.

[drobfan8]

I think OKC should move Dipo. I was never a fan of that trade, completely baffling.

Sactown for Gay would be solid.

[Ottomatic]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I think OKC should move Dipo. I was never a fan of that trade, completely baffling.

Sactown for Gay would be solid.

In retrospect, I think I agree. Probably should have kept Ibaka. Gay would be a solid option for them. Shouldn't cost a ton, and he's useful.