Corona Virus

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Listen we all have loved ones that we go 'Oh #@#@#@#@' high risk. My grandfather is one of the people I respect most in this world. He's at risk at 83. I'm going to be pretty upset when he moves on.

I'm not inhumane to this, but older people are going to die, they don't live forever. Sick people are going to die. Thats life. You or I could be diagnosed with something serious and be gone 2 months from now. Thats just....life.

For the record, most think as testing continues we get to below 1%.

Is CV Shitty, sure. Should we take it seriously. Sure. Should we blow up the world because it, take away freedoms, and ruin the economy. No.

Exactly. NY is about to declare martial law. No one is doing ANYTHING right now besides hanging out at home.

As for people who are immuno suppressant/elderly, put them in nursing homes, find a cure and let CV spread. Let the regular population become infected - immune and work on a cure/alternative method to battle it. Don't freeze the economy and put millions out of work because of it.


I don't know the answer to this. We probably would lose a signfican't portion of the world if we let CV roam free. China seems like they are reporting fake numbers and I don't believe their reports. How about testing the people in isolation? Or how about how many people were tested when you reported 0 new positives? It's too fishy after a few documentaries i've watched.

This disease will hit 40-80% of us, by several models, and I'd rather see it sweep across quickly. We're going to have to worry about second waves, third waves and more. As I said before I wish the answer was quick, but this is going to be months at least.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

I agree with you the numbers will get worse before they get better. But again, where is the line between ruining the world as we know it, and saving 1% of everyone who catches it before it dies out (which is a real possibility we have seen in the past), or runs its corse. The whole topic is polarizing and morbid. It's what keeps us coming back to this thread.

Not arguing, but what would be your solution to the issue the US faces?

Nobody has the “right” answer, and I won’t argue with you like I have.

[pingbling23]

some on here act like getting this virus is a death sentence. the hit to the economy and the civil unrest that is likely to happen will do far more harm then this virus will.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Not arguing, but what would be your solution to the issue the US faces?

Nobody has the “right” answer, and I won’t argue with you like I have.

Stash everyone who is deemed "compromised" into a nursing home. Lock that #@#@#@#@ up and call it a day.

In all seriousness they should offer people who are compromised a free place to stay until they find a cure. Provide shetler, food, tv, wifi and everything a normal home would. They can't go outside and no one allowed in.

Basically offer what they are doing now instead of crashing the economy and paying trillions of dollars to get this under control.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

Not sure what comes in the upcoming months, but the government has this planned out. We are along for the ride and the sooner we listen to them and do what they want we will be able to move on.

This, to me, is the scariest thing anyone has said in this entire thread.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

Stash everyone who is deemed "compromised" into a nursing home. Lock that #@#@#@#@ up and call it a day.

In all seriousness they should offer people who are compromised a free place to stay until they find a cure. Provide shetler, food, tv, wifi and everything a normal home would. They can't go outside and no one allowed in.

Basically offer what they are doing now instead of crashing the economy and paying trillions of dollars to get this under control.

So according to the CDC, those that are “high-risk” are:

-Older Adults (no clue on age)
-Underlying Medical disease: Heart disease, diabetes, lung disease

The AHA suggests almost half of Americans have some type of cardio vascular disease. About 20% of our population is greater than 60. 34 million with diabetes.

I don’t disagree with the idea, but I’d suspect actually trying to pull it off would cost more than $2T and still tank portions of the economy.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Not arguing, but what would be your solution to the issue the US faces?

Nobody has the “right” answer, and I won’t argue with you like I have.

You've been talking with me for a couple of weeks! You know I think I have the right answer!

Take precautions, go to work, live your life. Fortify where you need to, and let this thing work it's way through the U.S. population while you develop treatments and vaccines. Note 2020 as a very terrible year for the population because instead of the usual 40,000 flu deaths, we ended up with 150,000.

That simple.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Not arguing, but what would be your solution to the issue the US faces?

Nobody has the “right” answer, and I won’t argue with you like I have.

Honestly, you’re right that there isn’t an easy answer.

My initial thought is anyone who test positive is mandatorily in 100% lockdown for at least 14 days post all clear from CV.

Instead of cutting a check, pass legislation quickly that people will be compensated there full pay for being down with CV. Once the period expires they may return.

Use government services to deliver food, in house medical check ins etc for non serious cases.

I think something along those lines is a start, but obviously it is logistically complicated.

We’re seeing so many local economies trashed, for instance PA. Almost all cases in Philly/Pitt and surrounding. Whole state is locked down. Many counties with no cases and no one in hospitals suspected of it.

No easy answer, and I’m glad we can agree on that. But changing the bright future for a new viral strain that’s going to hammer out a death rate per contact as the flu...I’m not sold what we’re doing is right.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

This, to me, is the scariest thing anyone has said in this entire thread.

Why?

Watching the speeches for the past week makes me see how they are communicating. Cuomo spoke today and so did Trump. Cuomo spelled out that this is going to continue for months.
The U.S. is doing baby steps to prevent wide spread panic and are calming the nation into prevention mode to prevent chaos. Lockdown of the country is imminent/here. Now we go into hyberation over the summer and it's going to be a lonnnnnnggggggggg summer.

Last week my neighbor said I was crazy when I mentioned NY locking down and he said "people aren't special" (in reference to my father going into isolation last week), but I pay him no mind.
It just shows how others think and what they are concerned about.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Honestly, you’re right that there isn’t an easy answer.

My initial thought is anyone who test positive is mandatorily in 100% lockdown for at least 14 days post all clear from CV.

Instead of cutting a check, pass legislation quickly that people will be compensated there full pay for being down with CV. Once the period expires they may return.

Use government services to deliver food, in house medical check ins etc for non serious cases.

I think something along those lines is a start, but obviously it is logistically complicated.

We’re seeing so many local economies trashed, for instance PA. Almost all cases in Philly/Pitt and surrounding. Whole state is locked down. Many counties with no cases and no one in hospitals suspected of it.

No easy answer, and I’m glad we can agree on that.

Yeah man I honestly have no earthly clue of the proper way to do this.

I’m of the belief that no matter what path was taken portions of the economy were going to get hit, although it may not have been as abrupt as we’ve seen.

I do think what they’re doing, while fiscally it may be the most gutting, is logistically the path of “least” resistance short-term.

I just think the world was dealt an awful hand and nobody really knows what they’re doing and feels as if we don’t have time to figure out a proper solution.

I do believe that we will come out of this better than before though, no matter how rough it gets.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

So according to the CDC, those that are “high-risk” are:

-Older Adults (no clue on age)
-Underlying Medical disease: Heart disease, diabetes, lung disease

The AHA suggests almost half of Americans have some type of cardio vascular disease. About 20% of our population is greater than 60. 34 million with diabetes.

I don’t disagree with the idea, but I’d suspect actually trying to pull it off would cost more than $2T and still tank portions of the economy.

Make a fine line. Type 2 diabetics don't qualify or are required to lose weight until they lose the diagnosis. Shave diets, IDGAF. They don't comply, you make the comply.
Age of 75+ qualify. Anything under they require a condition as you stated below.

Lockdown begins - This doesn't mean people won't get it. It doesn't mean that senators, house reps, congressmen are safe, but it continues our economy a lot better than what we are looking at right now. Right now restuarants, movie theaters, entertainment, sports, cruiselines, airlines, non-essential businesses are done.
These are huge impacts if this goes 6+ months and it's going to be 6+.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You've been talking with me for a couple of weeks! You know I think I have the right answer!

Take precautions, go to work, live your life. Fortify where you need to, and let this thing work it's way through the U.S. population while you develop treatments and vaccines. Note 2020 as a very terrible year for the population because instead of the usual 40,000 flu deaths, we ended up with 150,000.

That simple.

That could very well have been the best path.

I don’t think we will ever truly have right answers. You and others have said if the death from this virus isn’t high people will go “see the measures worked”. That very well could be true, or it could be that the measures meant nothing.

We will never have a complete view of this.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

Why?

Watching the speeches for the past week makes me see how they are communicating. Cuomo spoke today and so did Trump. Cuomo spelled out that this is going to continue for months.
The U.S. is doing baby steps to prevent wide spread panic and are calming the nation into prevention mode to prevent chaos. Lockdown of the country is imminent/here. Now we go into hyberation over the summer and it's going to be a lonnnnnnggggggggg summer.

Last week my neighbor said I was crazy when I mentioned NY locking down and he said "people aren't special" (in reference to my father going into isolation last week), but I pay him no mind.
It just shows how others think and what they are concerned about.

Neither Cuomo nor Trump can know how long this is going to last unless they are engineering that timeline to suit a particular agenda. No politician should be speaking in terms of "it will" - more rational approach would be to discuss possible scenarios.

From my point of view, the less the government is planning about my future existence, the better. The less time Governors and Presidents spend in crest-emblazoned leather jackets and baseball caps, the better.

I really doubt that they are going to be able to keep a lid on this for more than a couple weeks. And to me, that's what's really scary.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

That could very well have been the best path.

I don’t think we will ever truly have right answers. You and others have said if the death from this virus isn’t high people will go “see the measures worked”. That very well could be true, or it could be that the measures meant nothing.

We will never have a complete view of this.

That's even scarier. "The measures worked" means replication. I want to be clear about this; crystal clear.

Success here is NOT an option. I want, full, extreme failure. I want failure on such a level that when something like this happens 7 years from now, the current president doesn't even consider this as an option because of what happened and when suggested by an aide, that aide is immediately fired and their dog is threatened so they get the message to NEVER bring this up again.

That doesn't mean death. It means economic pain that does not get Trump reelected. This is how I feel today. I'm a Trump guy through and through but to reward this means my kids are gonna have to go through this (perhaps a few times) and I don't want that.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

That's even scarier. "The measures worked" means replication. I want to be clear about this; crystal clear.

Success here is NOT an option. I want, full, extreme failure. I want failure on such a level that when something like this happens 7 years from now, the current president doesn't even consider this as an option because of what happened and when suggested by an aide, that aide is immediately fired and their dog is threatened so they get the message to NEVER bring this up again.

That doesn't mean death. It means economic pain that does not get Trump reelected. This is how I feel today. I'm a Trump guy through and through but to reward this means my kids are gonna have to go through this (perhaps a few times) and I don't want that.

I get where you’re coming from on that.

[calculusdork]

Has anyone posted this article yet? Anyone read it?

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894

It's a very long but very rewarding read. Author makes a strong case that the latest data shows the communicability of COVID-19 is much lower than what has been reported.

EDIT: Aaaaaand crap, Medium just pulled the article.

DOUBLE EDIT: Not that I love posting it from ZeroHedge, but ... here it is if you want to read it: https://zerohedge.whotrades.com/blog/43910127594

[calculusdork]

Double post

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

Has anyone posted this article yet? Anyone read it?

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894

It's a very long but very rewarding read. Author makes a strong case that the latest data shows the communicability of COVID-19 is much lower than what has been reported.

EDIT: Aaaaaand crap, Medium just pulled the article.

DOUBLE EDIT: Not that I love posting it from ZeroHedge, but ... here it is if you want to read it: https://zerohedge.whotrades.com/blog/43910127594

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

My position is summed up extremely well here:

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894

Long read, but updated to reflect the current situation.

Birds of a feather ... (discussed briefly at 8am this morning)

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

That's even scarier. "The measures worked" means replication. I want to be clear about this; crystal clear.

Success here is NOT an option. I want, full, extreme failure. I want failure on such a level that when something like this happens 7 years from now, the current president doesn't even consider this as an option because of what happened and when suggested by an aide, that aide is immediately fired and their dog is threatened so they get the message to NEVER bring this up again.

That doesn't mean death. It means economic pain that does not get Trump reelected. This is how I feel today. I'm a Trump guy through and through but to reward this means my kids are gonna have to go through this (perhaps a few times) and I don't want that.

Or.... well.... you know...... they put in better plans for how to respond to something like this?

Better stockpiles of things like ventilators and medical equipment.

Having things like a pandemic response team within the White House, oh wait, we used to have that one.

Rooting for this to fail is to root for lots of deaths despite these measures. I don't care how much we differ on how to attack this right now, but now that we're here, to take that stance is unbelievably cold.

In your mind the economy is already shot, so why would you be rooting for more deaths at this point? (and yes, I know you said not deaths, but in the end, that's what failure is at this point because people understand the economic repercussions of these decisions, so looking at that as failure really isn't an option)

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Birds of a feather ... (discussed briefly at 8am this morning)

Ha ... well done sir

[zonacats8]

Why weren't we ramping up medical needs production 2 months ago when this all was pretty obvious that it was going to hit us hard at some point?

Worse case scenario they're not needed and then we stockpiled more equipment for future needs while also inputting some more money into the economy through those orders.

Best case scenario we would have saved thousands of lives without hurting the economy that bad in the end.

All goes back to Trump not taking this seriously months ago when he should have been.

[spuds1961]

Wow the stats on this virus are very much like the wins against replacements stats in baseball neither one can be accurately proven.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

In your mind the economy is already shot, so why would you be rooting for more deaths at this point? (and yes, I know you said not deaths, but in the end, that's what failure is at this point because people understand the economic repercussions of these decisions, so looking at that as failure really isn't an option)

HAHA, no. People don't. I don't think you realize what is coming, and what comes next.

[coltsnsox07]

Too bad the only ones who really took it seriously were those 4 senators who sold off all their stocks after the corona virus briefing in Washington.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

Too bad the only ones who really took it seriously were those 4 senators who sold off all their stocks after the corona virus briefing in Washington.

Pretty sure the sword will only fall on Burr. Loeffler, Feinstein and Johnson are likely OK.