Kurt's Card Care F'ed around and found out

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Depends. Did the company honor a guarantee to make the owner of the card whole?

Irrelevant because nobody knows the card is altered except for the original owner, in most cases.

The exception is that special submitters get special treatment, sometimes.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

And I heard PSA is the industry standard!

Yup. They make that claim right on their website. Nobody here was making that claim.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Irrelevant because nobody knows the card is altered except for the original owner, in most cases.

However, Special submitters get special treatment, sometimes.

Let's make it simple then. Everyone who intentionally cheated someone is bad.

[LVDan]

“We’re all scum. Anyone who sells a baseball card is.”
-MTP


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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by whitmm

What I would want to see is that you disclose to PSA when you submit the card anything you've done to the card. Nothing super detailed. A simple "used polish" "fixed corner." Saves PSA time trying to detect those types of issues. They can focus simply on grading the card. They grade it and slab it. On the label, there would be a note that is altered, doesn't need detail. The registry would have that information of the "restoration" done to the card.

At that point you have all the information to make your informed decision. The issue with just putting it in your auction notes is that the buyer/next seller of the card may not do that. Get things attached to the cert number and it fixes a lot of things.

LOL, like someone would actually do that if they are trying to slip an altered card through PSA graders.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by LVDan

“We’re all scum. Anyone who sells a baseball card is.”
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Just think how boring these Boards would be without MoreToppsPlease!

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Let's make it simple then. Everyone who intentionally cheated someone is bad.

So if PSA has “acted as an accomplice” by certifying an altered card as unaltered, do they not carry any guilt as well? Even if they were unaware that they judged the card to be unenhanced?

Is unintentional cheating not bad?

People pay an awful lot of money for unintentional cheating.

[ThoseBackPages]

#ThanksTopps

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

#ThanksTopps

It’s not a rookie card until they tell you it’s a rookie card!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s not a rookie card until they tell you it’s a rookie card!

Ban the RC Logo!

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

So if PSA has “acted as an accomplice” by certifying an altered card as unaltered, do they not carry any guilt as well? Even if they were unaware that they judged the card to be unenhanced?

Correct.

That's sssuming two things though:

1) they do actually try to detect an alteration to a reasonable degree as they claim, and
2) they honor their guarantee if any problem arises.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Ban the RC Logo!

But the poors would be lost without it!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

But the poors would be lost without it!

they can always default to minor league inserts then!

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Correct.

That's sssuming two things though:

1) they do actually try to detect an alteration to a reasonable degree as they claim, and
2) they honor their guarantee if any problem arises.

I love PSA sequential order reports when they are all from the same submission:

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Did they reasonably try to detect an alteration for that psa 10 in this case?

Is the guarantee of any use for that PSA 10 and thousands others that get through with no one aware of the alteration?

For every honor guarantee that gets paid, thousands get through and psa gets paid. That honor is a great marketing tactic and legal bandage. Does nothing for their competence.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I love PSA sequential order reports when they are all from the same submission:

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PSA 10
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Detection at work.

Are we done talking about that now? Have we moved on from they're bad at their job to they're corrupt? If so, I'm okay with that. It's easier to believe and harder to argue against.

I wouldn't even try.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

they can always default to minor league inserts then!

They do, and they LOVE it!

The breaker bois told me so.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Detection at work.

Are we done talking about that now? Have we moved on from they're bad at their job to they're corrupt? If so, I'm okay with that. It's easier to believe and harder to argue against.

I wouldn't even try.

They clearly missed on the psa 10. Incompetence at work.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

They clearly missed on the psa 10. Incompetence at work.

Yeah, no doctor would ever toss a legit card into a batch....

But I guess if you didn't pack pull it personally, it must be a bogus authentication/grade.

Whoa...does that mean you own the only unaltered collection in the whole world? Nice!!!!

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Yup. They make that claim right on their website. Nobody here was making that claim.

we miss you in the elly thread

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

They clearly missed on the psa 10. Incompetence at work.

Do you have proof of that? Or are you just making blind assumptions? It's amazing how you continue to come up with all these fantasy situations and instead of giving us all the details, you just change bits as you go.

For as much as you act like your bashing the TPGs, you sure do defend them a lot.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Do you have proof of that? Or are you just making blind assumptions?

Oooh oooh pick me!

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

we miss you in the elly thread

I know, now you have nothing to talk about. Because you certainly don't talk about Elly.

But hey, keep harassing me

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I love PSA sequential order reports when they are all from the same submission:

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PSA 10
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Did they reasonably try to detect an alteration for that psa 10 in this case?

Is the guarantee of any use for that PSA 10 and thousands others that get through with no one aware of the alteration?

For every honor guarantee that gets paid, thousands get through and psa gets paid. That honor is a great marketing tactic and legal bandage. Does nothing for their competence.

Considering you believe that if that list contained 5 10's, 3 9's, and 2 8's, insteand of 10 trimmed cards, it just meant PSA failed to detect 10 altered cards, you really aren't looking to have a true discussion about this.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Do you have proof of that? Or are you just making blind assumptions? It's amazing how you continue to come up with all these fantasy situations and instead of giving us all the details, you just change bits as you go.

For as much as you act like your bashing the TPGs, you sure do defend them a lot.

Making up fantasy situations is sort of his thing.

[theshowandme]

How drunk do I need to be to start reading this thread starting at page 1?