First Buzz: 2023 Topps Update baseball cards

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Saw some blasters at a local WM and bought 2 for a fun break with my youngest. Nothing like setting $50 on fire. I tried to think of one product that Topps has actually improved this year over previous years. Can't think of one. TCU does not count because anything Topps does will improve that pile of junk from last year.

TCU might be worse this year, over printed and nothing to chase.

Base TC might be better, since they actually put all the cards in it this year.

[BRob1]

Print run on the Halloween cards?


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[Pastretta]

Originally Posted by BRob1

Print run on the Halloween cards?


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[ScooterD]

Seeing some “witch hat” parallels that are stamped 1/1 instead of /5

[Stech36]

The biggest mistake Topps has made with update is switching the all star cards to inserts. That has really hurt the overall value of the product

[metsy617]

got my 2 boxes of hobby from topps, was going to return after the switch and bait but decided to rip . first time in a long time i made the right decision.
everything else was uneventful

[pewe]

Originally Posted by metsy617

got my 2 boxes of hobby from topps, was going to return after the switch and bait but decided to rip . first time in a long time i made the right decision.
everything else was uneventful

Amazing!


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[corockies]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Seeing some “witch hat” parallels that are stamped 1/1 instead of /5

Some Bats are stamped /5 as well:

[oldgoldy97]

Blasters on Target’s website.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by corockies

Some Bats are stamped /5 as well:

Well - then the words on the box “The only one in the world!” are certainly misleading (if not wrong).

A lot of irony given the recent problems with serial numbering matching production and distribution.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Pastretta

Thanks! Guess I was wondering if we had any idea on the non numbered.


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[slangartist]

Originally Posted by BRob1

Thanks! Guess I was wondering if we had any idea on the non numbered.


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I figured out between 136-139 per player on the ghosts, 353-370 on the pumpkins, and a large range of 2,202-3,083 on the base black & orange.

We know exactly how many blaster boxes exist (230,823 SE and 116,023 EA), because each SKU contains exactly 1 cut auto. However, the odds don't make sense for a full set of 330 cards. I think between 15-17 cards are excluded from these parallels.

Please feel free to check the math, anyone.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by slangartist

I figured out between 136-139 per player on the ghosts, 353-370 on the pumpkins, and a large range of 2,202-3,083 on the base black & orange.

We know exactly how many blaster boxes exist (230,823 SE and 116,023 EA), because each SKU contains exactly 1 cut auto. However, the odds don't make sense for a full set of 330 cards. I think between 15-17 cards are excluded from these parallels.

Please feel free to check the math, anyone.

i think they have super boxes in retail, so those may skew the numbers a bit

[slangartist]

Originally Posted by anusinha

i think they have super boxes in retail, so those may skew the numbers a bit

According to the odds sheet (https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/odds...seballOdds.pdf), the Holiday cards aren't in the super boxes, just Relic SE and Relic EA.

A 1/1 should come every 1,051 boxes for a 330 card set, but the odds sheet says 1 per 1,100 boxes for SE and 1,105 boxes for EA.

[Funkster]

Originally Posted by anusinha

TCU might be worse this year, over printed and nothing to chase.

Base TC might be better, since they actually put all the cards in it this year.

Quality issues aside, it's absolutely insane to me that 22 TCU hobby boxes were basically one refractor or sticker auto per box. I am not usually one to complain about Topps, but that's pretty much robbery.

[slangartist]

Originally Posted by slangartist

I figured out between 136-139 per player on the ghosts, 353-370 on the pumpkins, and a large range of 2,202-3,083 on the base black & orange.

We know exactly how many blaster boxes exist (230,823 SE and 116,023 EA), because each SKU contains exactly 1 cut auto. However, the odds don't make sense for a full set of 330 cards. I think between 15-17 cards are excluded from these parallels.

Please feel free to check the math, anyone.

OK, pretty sure I cracked it.

The blaster exclusive holiday set is 315 cards. Probably either the veteran combos (15) are excluded, or the rookie combos (10) plus the season highlights (5) are excluded.

There are 210 1/1s in the SE SKU and 105 in the EA SKU.

The ranges above on the ghosts and the jack-o-lanterns (which I flippantly labeled pumpkins) are accurate. I think the base black & orange are a little less rare, since the real hit rate is going to be somewhere between 1 in 2.5 packs (low end of 1:3 pack odds) and 1 in 2.9167 packs (high end of 3:1 box odds). So somewhere between 2,642-3,083 per player.

Being a Giants fan who is a sucker for color match cards, it was important to know what I might be bidding on.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by slangartist

OK, pretty sure I cracked it.

The blaster exclusive holiday set is 315 cards. Probably either the veteran combos (15) are excluded, or the rookie combos (10) plus the season highlights (5) are excluded.

There are 210 1/1s in the SE SKU and 105 in the EA SKU.

The ranges above on the ghosts and the jack-o-lanterns (which I flippantly labeled pumpkins) are accurate. I think the base black & orange are a little less rare, since the real hit rate is going to be somewhere between 1 in 2.5 packs (low end of 1:3 pack odds) and 1 in 2.9167 packs (high end of 3:1 box odds). So somewhere between 2,642-3,083 per player.

Being a Giants fan who is a sucker for color match cards, it was important to know what I might be bidding on.

Great work!

So are the witches and bats out of /5, /1, or both?

[corockies]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Great work!

So are the witches and bats out of /5, /1, or both?

UPDATED ON POST #432

Looks like both - I'd like to see a copy of the same card of witch and bat. I'm gonna guess they are interchangeable at /5 and /1.

EDIT - Found a J.J. Bleday Witch and Bat. Witch is 1/1, Bat is /5.





Witch:

US6 Brandon Pfaadt RC /5
US21 Andres Munoz /5
US29 Garrett Hill RC /5
US68 Jose Urena /5
US78 Jose Siri /5
US100 Jacob DeGrom /5
US106 Donovan Solano /5
US136 Riley Adams /5
US139 Eury Perez RC /5
US167 Tyler Wade /5
US183 Jose Cabellaro RC /5
US192 Garrett Acton RC /5
US215 Romy Gonzalez /5
US220 Jason Delay RC /5
US224 Jake Irvin RC /5
US255 Francisco Alvarez RD 1/1
US271 Jose Alvarado /5
US284 Miguel Castro /5
US305 Correa And Miranda Show Off Minnesota's New Uniforms Veteran Combos (Carlos Correa / Jose Miranda) /5
US315 Hunter Brown RD /5
US330 J.J. Bleday RC 1/1

Bats:

US5 Masataka Yoshida RD 1/1
US36 Witt And Perez Celebrate Walk-Off Veteran Combos (Salvador Perez / Bobby Witt Jr.) 1/1
US77 Anthony Volpe RD /5
US98 Zach Neto RC /5
US113 Braxton Garrett /5
US150 Noah Syndergaard 1/1
US181 Shea Langeliers RD 1/1
US184 Brandon Woodruff 1/1
US198 Casey Schmitt RD 1/1
US201 Blake Sabol RC 1/1
US222 Edouard Julien RC /5
US236 Matt Mervis RD 1/1
US263 Sam Hilliard /5
US272 Trevor Stephan 1/1
US294 Hobie Harris RC /5
US318 Matt Gage / Cesar Salazar Rookie Combos 1/1
US330 J.J. Bleday RC /5

[RollBamaRoll]

Any idea what this is worth?

[SaltyCracker]

Originally Posted by RollBamaRoll

Any idea what this is worth?

I would say about $500 raw. Great pull!!

[Jolten Joe]

I grabbed 2 blasters from Walmart today and got 5 standard Orange & Black Parallels (1:3) and 2 Jack O'Lantern Parallels ( 1:21). Mostly nobody's but did get a Padres RC Combo Jack O'Lantern and 2 regular RC Orange/Black of Rocchio and Wiemer.

Overall a fun break and the Halloween Foils look 100X better in hand.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by slangartist

OK, pretty sure I cracked it.

The blaster exclusive holiday set is 315 cards. Probably either the veteran combos (15) are excluded, or the rookie combos (10) plus the season highlights (5) are excluded.

I can confirm that the veteran combos are in the set. Picked up a couple blasters, because I like the Stars of the MLB insert set, and hit two of them.

On a side note, I kind of like the orange and black striped versions seeing them in person. And I think it's because they don't have anything really Halloween based to them. Still not a fan of the other SP versions

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by corockies

Looks like both - I'd like to see a copy of the same card of witch and bat. I'm gonna guess they are interchangeable at /5 and /1.

EDIT - Found a J.J. Bleday Witch and Bat. Witch is 1/1, Bat is /5.





Witch:

US6 Brandon Pfaadt RC /5
US68 Jose Urena /5
US78 Jose Siri /5
US183 Jose Cabellaro RC /5
US255 Francisco Alvarez RD 1/1
US284 Miguel Castro /5
US315 Hunter Brown RD /5
US330 J.J. Bleday RC 1/1

Bats:

US98 Zach Neto RC /5
US150 Noah Syndergaard 1/1
US181 Shea Langeliers RD 1/1
US198 Casey Schmitt RD 1/1
US222 Edouard Julien RC /5
US236 Matt Mervis RD 1/1
US263 Sam Hilliard /5
US272 Trevor Stephan 1/1
US294 Hobie Harris RC /5
US330 J.J. Bleday RC /5

Ruh roh raggy.

[slangartist]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I can confirm that the veteran combos are in the set. Picked up a couple blasters, because I like the Stars of the MLB insert set, and hit two of them.

On a side note, I kind of like the orange and black striped versions seeing them in person. And I think it's because they don't have anything really Halloween based to them. Still not a fan of the other SP versions

Someone else said they hit a rookie combo, so that theory is out the window too.

Maybe it's a 330 card set, but whoever figured out the odds thought it was 315. Either that or 15 random cards are omitted for reasons only known to Topps.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by slangartist

Someone else said they hit a rookie combo, so that theory is out the window too.

Maybe it's a 330 card set, but whoever figured out the odds thought it was 315. Either that or 15 random cards are omitted for reasons only known to Topps.

Like you said earlier, the odds don't seem to be exact or accurate.