Taylor Swift has generated over $330MM for the NFL

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Agree here. I’m old, my kid likes stuff that annoys me.

My dad hated Metallica, now they are my generation’s Rolling Stones.

It's best for people to stop being music snobs and instead of being triggered, realize that some music isn't for you.

And that's okay. I wouldn't have wanted my mom to show up at 5th grade school pickup blasting "Rump Shaker" out the Ford Aerostar windows. The younger generation probably doesn't want us listening to their stuff either.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I don’t think that is remotely true. I listen to metal but pop music is really well done these days in terms of structure and melody. If anything a lot of music tries to put a new spin on very played out chord progressions and melodies that we’ve heard since the 50s.

Then there's auto tune. I like pure voices that hits the notes and not computer assisted tricks. and many of these singers sound the same. And of course the master class instrument players are a thing of the past. It's all computer generated beats.

at the end of the day, many kids are going to listen to what's marketed to them but I don't think many of these songs today will stand the test of time like older songs. just my opinion.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by jplarson

You know who are running those marketing firms and are at the top of the music industry?

It ain't the kids.

the same ilk as the movie industry. another failing medium.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I remember old people complaining that "today's music" was garbage when Eazy visited the White House.

It's not music getting worse, it's you getting old.

often times old is better.

like in the old days, fast food was better. It tasted better. Better quality ingredients. Now it's just awful. Pizza Hut, McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's...all have gone downhill.

Many times old is gold.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Then there's auto tune. I like pure voices that hits the notes and not computer assisted tricks. and many of these singers sound the same. And of course the master class instrument players are a thing of the past. It's all computer generated beats.

at the end of the day, many kids are going to listen to what's marketed to them but I don't think many of these songs today will stand the test of time like older songs. just my opinion.

Pop music never had master class musicians. They still 100% exist.

There are young guys/gals doing amazing things right now. Check out Tim Henson/Polyphia’s song “Playing God”. Super original, technically amazing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5NoQg8LdDk

Computers are just another tool. Like when there were electric guitars, or synthesizers, or midi… just tools. Auto tune is just a tool.

It may look different now, but the kids are all right.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

often times old is better.

like in the old days, fast food was better. It tasted better. Better quality ingredients. Now it's just awful. Pizza Hut, McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's...all have gone downhill.

Many times old is gold.

Movies are another one. They were so much better. On occasion I'll tune in late at night to some random old movie on TMC and get into it. The acting, the story telling, getting the watcher invested into character development. Sure I'm getting older, but crap is crap. I agree with you on food as well.

[sthoemke]

The Superbowl is fixed for Taylor Swift. Prove me wrong.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Pop music never had master class musicians. They still 100% exist.

There are young guys/gals doing amazing things right now. Check out Tim Henson/Polyphia’s song “Playing God”. Super original, technically amazing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5NoQg8LdDk

Computers are just another tool. Like when there were electric guitars, or synthesizers, or midi… just tools. Auto tune is just a tool.

It may look different now, but the kids are all right.

Taylor isn’t Tim Henson.

I think it’s ok to say Taylor puts out loads of crap music that people love. Most pop is just throw away music anyway, has been and will always be that way. Like McDonalds for your ears.

She definitely has a talent for writing loads of songs and a presence to connect people to her music.

[BeardedVol]

How much has Capital One made off her commercials ?

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Taylor isn’t Tim Henson.

I think it’s ok to say Taylor puts out loads of crap music that people love. Most pop is just throw away music anyway, has been and will always be that way. Like McDonalds for your ears.

She definitely has a talent for writing loads of songs and a presence to connect people to her music.

I wasn’t claiming Taylor was Tim Henson, just that there are great young musicians right now.

Pop music never had great musicians, save a few generational outliers, but they did write songs that connected with people. I don’t know Taylor’s catalogue, but if she can sell out Sofi 5 nights in a row, she’s connecting to people.

[jkampis]

Originally Posted by jplarson

It actually isn't.

Because forum rules.

I mean more of a father-son conversation.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I wasn’t claiming Taylor was Tim Henson, just that there are great young musicians right now.

Pop music never had great musicians, save a few generational outliers, but they did write songs that connected with people. I don’t know Taylor’s catalogue, but if she can sell out Sofi 5 nights in a row, she’s connecting to people.

I know it well. I have a wife and a daughter.

TS definitely writes music that connects with people, but it's not meant to connect to the 40 year old ex-jock who's obsessed with sports. So like any sane person, I support my love one's interests even if it's not necessarily for me.

And that way, when I'm in my home gym surrounded by walls covered by pictures of males athletes and shirts worn by some of them with Power Trip blaring in the background, nobody asks that I explain myself, because we all have our own things.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I don’t think that is remotely true. I listen to metal but pop music is really well done these days in terms of structure and melody. If anything a lot of music tries to put a new spin on very played out chord progressions and melodies that we’ve heard since the 50s.

I have been getting into piano and classic orchestra lately. Stuff that I never thought I'd get into. I just can't listen to most modern music.

Tove Lo-Habits
Sia
Kavinsky-Nightcall
Weeknd

These are the only singers/songs that I have really liked over the past 14 years, lol.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Pop music never had master class musicians. They still 100% exist.

There are young guys/gals doing amazing things right now. Check out Tim Henson/Polyphia’s song “Playing God”. Super original, technically amazing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5NoQg8LdDk

Computers are just another tool. Like when there were electric guitars, or synthesizers, or midi… just tools. Auto tune is just a tool.

It may look different now, but the kids are all right.

We can talk about tools but the purity and organic instrument playing back in the day even before my time is top notch. it's what enables the older bands to deliver greater live performances over those today that use all these computers assisted tools that can't be duplicated in a live setting.

It's like movies using cgi and in the future AI. Nothing will beat the practical, organic approach used by Stan Winston. A real performance from Jack Nicholson is more impressive than an AI delivered performance.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I have been getting into piano and classic orchestra lately. Stuff that I never thought I'd get into. I just can't listen to most modern music.

Tove Lo-Habits
Sia
Kavinsky-Nightcall
Weeknd

These are the only singers/songs that I have really liked over the past 14 years, lol.

I think we just hear a lot less new music as we get older. My 30 year old nephew talks glowingly about bands I’ve never heard. My son likes Billy Joel, Ghost, Gaga, Living Tombstone.

I like 80s thrash, and modern death and black metal. I like 1950s rock as well.

My wife likes Death Cab and stuff like that.

I think (my opinion) that music is ok. Even some of the auto tune stuff I enjoy. Post Malone and all that. I try to keep an open mind. My grandfather liked big band music, my parents folk music, me thrash metal, my kid will like waft he likes. I assume every generation thinks the next generation’s music is worse.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

We can talk about tools but the purity and organic instrument playing back in the day even before my time is top notch. it's what enables the older bands to deliver greater live performances over those today that use all these computers assisted tools that can't be duplicated in a live setting.

It's like movies using cgi and in the future AI. Nothing will beat the practical, organic approach used by Stan Winston. A real performance from Jack Nicholson is more impressive than an AI delivered performance.

I really disagree. Strongly.

I used to play live and it could be all over the place with tempo and feel. The music I play now has a click track and it is miles better. Miles. I am all about the laptop driven playing. There is metal that you could not play today without a laptop/click track. The playing is so precise, so fast.

Love Stan Winston, Rick Baker but there were real limits on what practical effects could achieve. My son watches old movies and laughs at the latex stuff because to his eyes it all looks like terrible homemade effects. What we perceived as real he sees the way we saw Jason and the Argonauts stop motion.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I really disagree. Strongly.

I used to play live and it could be all over the place with tempo and feel. The music I play now has a click track and it is miles better. Miles. I am all about the laptop driven playing. There is metal that you could not play today without a laptop/click track. The playing is so precise, so fast.

Love Stan Winston, Rick Baker but there were real limits on what practical effects could achieve. My son watches old movies and laughs at the latex stuff because to his eyes it all looks like terrible homemade effects. What we perceived as real he sees the way we saw Jason and the Argonauts stop motion.

Reminds me of Jari and Wintersun. After the 1st album he couldn't apparent ly make music without all the best from Nuclear Blast. Even though it wasn't an issue with Ensiferum. Time I was worth it at least.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by kluke84

Reminds me of Jari and Wintersun. After the 1st album he couldn't apparent ly make music without all the best from Nuclear Blast. Even though it wasn't an issue with Ensiferum. Time I was worth it at least.

I know Wintersun and their setup but I’m struggling to understand what you are saying here?

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I know Wintersun and their setup but I’m struggling to understand what you are saying here?

You say new music can't be created without Pro Tools and the new technology. I agree to a point and was citing an example where it was a big issue. Yet I think it is a bit overblown.

The advance in pedal effects would probably be a bigger necessity. (Not a musician, so feel free to correct)

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by kluke84

You say new music can't be created without Pro Tools and the new technology. I agree to a point and was citing an example where it was a big issue. Yet I think it is a bit overblown.

The advance in pedal effects would probably be a bigger necessity. (Not a musician, so feel free to correct)

I never said the bolded above in any way shape or form.

I did say highly technical fast metal music played live would be difficult or impossible without a click track. As a 50 year old guy who plays music, I love the click tracks. I played gigs in my 20s where the drummer was a little jacked up and played 30% faster one night, 10% slower another night than we rehearsed and the performance was either awful and/or inconsistent.

I never even referenced recording software at all. A lot of musicians use pedals still because like vinyl there’s a love affair with analog. Touring metal musicians often use modelers with computer triggered patch changes so that the performance is free from them having to step on pedals mid performance.

I said computers were a tool to create music. How one uses that tool is up to the artist.

[quackhead]

Album Of The Year !

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Took the award from Celine. No hug, no eye contact, no acknowledgment.

Yup she’s a good fit for kelce.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Took the award from Celine. No hug, no eye contact, no acknowledgment.

Yup she’s a good fit for kelce.

Taylor loves giving hugs.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I wasn’t claiming Taylor was Tim Henson, just that there are great young musicians right now.

Pop music never had great musicians, save a few generational outliers, but they did write songs that connected with people. I don’t know Taylor’s catalogue, but if she can sell out Sofi 5 nights in a row, she’s connecting to people.

Yeah I misread your comment then. Theirs is plenty of great young musicians right now. She’s not one of them.

Definitely a pop icon though.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I have been getting into piano and classic orchestra lately. Stuff that I never thought I'd get into. I just can't listen to most modern music.

Tove Lo-Habits
Sia
Kavinsky-Nightcall
Weeknd

These are the only singers/songs that I have really liked over the past 14 years, lol.

Here's two of those artists on the same track, I prefer the original without lyrics, but don't hate it with lyrics.