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[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

More qualified than Trump isn't saying much.



Regardless of how "qualified" she is, plenty of people believe she is also unfit to be president.



Just because someone doesn't want to vote for her does not mean their vote is wasted.



That is your problem, you cannot accept that some people don't want to vote for her, regardless how how great you think she is.



I, for one, refuse to contribute to either party because they are both awful. I'm not going to waste my own vote voting for someone who I do not believe in. Plenty of other people feel the same so just get over it.

Originally Posted by pgisback

I don't think she is great. I think she is qualified and not some sociopathic disgrace to this country like Trump. And many people I like support her.



Barack Obama

Michelle Obama

Warren Buffet

Mark Cuban

Bernie Sanders

Michael Bloomberg

Joe Biden

Jill Biden



That's a pretty powerful list of people vouching for her and claiming she is more qualified to lead this country. And yes, a lot has to do with the fact, she is not Trump. Heck, I would even consider Romney over Hillary.

I appreciate that the discourse between you two is getting less inflammatory.

I'm for Hillary, because I don't believe she is the monster many people think she is and I am very anti-Trump. But I don't see anything wrong with voting for a third party.


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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I don't think she is great. I think she is qualified and not some sociopathic disgrace to this country like Trump. And many people I like support her.

Barack Obama
Michelle Obama
Warren Buffet
Mark Cuban
Bernie Sanders
Michael Bloomberg
Joe Biden
Jill Biden

That's a pretty powerful list of people vouching for her and claiming she is more qualified to lead this country. And yes, a lot has to do with the fact, she is not Trump. Heck, I would even consider Romney over Hillary.

Which is fine, but seriously, what's the point of continuing to put down Trump and his supporters? You're way past beating the dead horse, a couple pages ago literally 9 of your posts in a row were doing nothing more than insulting people.

We get it, you hate him and think all of his supporters are idiots but it's doing nothing but giving people the wrong impression of you. Instead of insulting all of his supporters how about trying to build up your own candidate? Positive energy outweighs negative energy every time.

That's not to say I wasn't doing the same thing before but I'm just trying to get back to decent, civil discussions.

[xavieronly1]

For those who say that Hillary/Trump are not qualified, would a "Ted Cruz vs Hillary" OR "Trump vs Sander" become a better race? If so, did you vote for Ted or Sander?

Less than 30% of people voted in the primary. Instead of blaming 2 unqualified persons trying to be the President... ask yourself, did you try to do something before?

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Which is fine, but seriously, what's the point of continuing to put down Trump and his supporters? You're way past beating the dead horse, a couple pages ago literally 9 of your posts in a row were doing nothing more than insulting people.



We get it, you hate him and think all of his supporters are idiots but it's doing nothing but giving people the wrong impression of you. Instead of insulting all of his supporters how about trying to build up your own candidate? Positive energy outweighs negative energy every time.

I think a lot of Dems are making this mistake. Trump as the Repub nominee opens the door to welcome some new people to the party by showing a little restraint and making an effort to hear and be heard. But Dems are so repulsed by the idea that anyone could support Trump that they can't help insulting him and his supporters at every turn.


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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

I think a lot of Dems are making this mistake. Trump as the Repub nominee opens the door to welcome some new people to the party by showing a little restraint and making an effort to hear and be heard. But Dems are so repulsed by the idea that anyone could support Trump that they can't help insulting him and his supporters at every turn.


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It's a problem across the board in this particular election. Both sides are so bad that everyone is just insulting everyone else.

We're accomplishing nothing here and will continue to accomplish nothing unless we can work together towards something better

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Which is fine, but seriously, what's the point of continuing to put down Trump and his supporters? You're way past beating the dead horse, a couple pages ago literally 9 of your posts in a row were doing nothing more than insulting people.

We get it, you hate him and think all of his supporters are idiots but it's doing nothing but giving people the wrong impression of you. Instead of insulting all of his supporters how about trying to build up your own candidate? Positive energy outweighs negative energy every time.

That's not to say I wasn't doing the same thing before but I'm just trying to get back to decent, civil discussions.

I don't consider talking about demographics insulting people. I know people hate being called uneducated. But it's simply something you cannot ignore this election. Even though I personally do not believe the demographics are there for Trump and Hillary will win pretty convincingly, his staggering lead among uneducated white males is a real problem for Hillary. He's up almost 40%. 69/29. There's more uneducated whites than all minorities (educated or not) combined. And I'm just speaking numbers. Has nothing to do with race relations. Because minorities will favor Hillary by very wide margins. It's just there are less of them. So it is a real issue in this election and gives Trump a fighting chance. And yes, some people will be insulted by it, but the fact there is such a differential between educated opinions vs the uneducated is something that I worry about.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I don't consider talking about demographics insulting people. I know people hate being called uneducated. But it's simply something you cannot ignore this election. Even though I personally do not believe the demographics are there for Trump and Hillary will win pretty convincingly, his staggering lead among uneducated white males is a real problem for Hillary. He's up almost 40%. 69/29. There's more uneducated whites than all minorities (educated or not) combined. So it is a real issue in this election and gives Trump a fighting chance. And yes, some people will be insulted by it, but the fact there is such a differential between educated opinions vs the uneducated is something that I worry about.

It's not constructive and doesn't add anything to the discussion when you repeat it multiple times every page.

Like I said, try building up your own candidate instead of talking in circles about the other one.

You'd get a more positive response if you didn't consistently say things like this

Originally Posted by pgisback

Wow, Trump supporters are sick people.

Originally Posted by pgisback

How any grown adult can vote this little child in is beyond me

Those are not demographics, they are insults

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

It's not constructive and doesn't add anything to the discussion when you repeat it multiple times every page.

Like I said, try building up your own candidate instead of talking in circles about the other one.

You'd get a more positive response if you didn't consistently say things like this

Those are not demographics, they are insults

Those are my opinions when he says stuff. Heck, Warren Buffet came out to actively support Hillary simply because Trump attacking the Kahn family was the last straw. So his words are effecting people and people are disgusted by his actions and don't think he is qualified to be President. I'm not going to sugar coat your candidate just because you don't like him being insulted. His supporters need to know that they are supporting a sociopath. And that's not my opinion. It's the opinion of a lot of people from many different ideologies. I don't even have to quote Democrats. I can simply quote Republicans the next 3 months to show how so many intelligent people do not think he is qualified to be President.

[ajlaxmn]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I'm happier... but still unhappy you are willing to throw away a vote. Hillary is clearly much more qualified to be President than Trump. Trump's the least qualified candidate in American history.

I'm more qualified than Trump. That's like saying the San Diego Chargers have more of a shot at winning the super bowl than the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs. Of course they do, still don't have much of a shot.

Honest questions, all of the scandals involving Clinton, Benghazi, the e-mail debacle, her involvement in all the issues brought up in Clinton Cash (I'll leave the extent of her involvement up for debate, but the coincidences are too many to ignore as ALL being false), her constant flip-flopping of issues (plenty of youtube videos of her changing her stance, and I don't believe its always "evolving or learning" as some politicians would say, I'm sure some just say what is most popular).

None of that makes you worried at all? Yes or no?

[ajlaxmn]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Those are my opinions when he says stuff. Heck, Warren Buffet came out to actively support Hillary simply because Trump attacking the Kahn family was the last straw. So his words are effecting people and people are disgusted by his actions and don't think he is qualified to be President. I'm not going to sugar coat your candidate just because you don't like him being insulted. His supporters need to know that they are supporting a sociopath. And that's not my opinion. It's the opinion of a lot of people from many different ideologies. I don't even have to quote Democrats. I can simply quote Republicans the next 3 months to show how so many intelligent people do not think he is qualified to be President.

By people do you mean high profile people (senators, basketball owners, billionaires) here's the kicker, there one vote is just as valuable as my one vote. No I'm not a Trump supporter, nor will I vote for him, but I don't believe high profile people supporting Shillary constitute the majority.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I'm happier... but still unhappy you are willing to throw away a vote. Hillary is clearly much more qualified to be President than Trump. Trump's the least qualified candidate in American history.

The indoctrination state at it's finest: "You're not voting for my preferred candidate. I'm not happy, and I view your vote as trash."

But please, post some more stuff that showed up in your google inbox under the heading "Articles You Might Like"

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

I'm more qualified than Trump. That's like saying the San Diego Chargers have more of a shot at winning the super bowl than the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs. Of course they do, still don't have much of a shot.

Honest questions, all of the scandals involving Clinton, Benghazi, the e-mail debacle, her involvement in all the issues brought up in Clinton Cash (I'll leave the extent of her involvement up for debate, but the coincidences are too many to ignore as ALL being false), her constant flip-flopping of issues (plenty of youtube videos of her changing her stance, and I don't believe its always "evolving or learning" as some politicians would say, I'm sure some just say what is most popular).

None of that makes you worried at all? Yes or no?

You left out "Travelgate" and "Whitewater".

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Those are my opinions when he says stuff. Heck, Warren Buffet came out to actively support Hillary simply because Trump attacking the Kahn family was the last straw. So his words are effecting people and people are disgusted by his actions and don't think he is qualified to be President. I'm not going to sugar coat your candidate just because you don't like him being insulted. His supporters need to know that they are supporting a sociopath. And that's not my opinion. It's the opinion of a lot of people from many different ideologies. I don't even have to quote Democrats. I can simply quote Republicans the next 3 months to show how so many intelligent people do not think he is qualified to be President.

I've told you plenty of times he's not my candidate, that's another problem you have. Anyone who doesn't trash him in every single post is secretly a supporter in your eyes.

I've tried to be civil and reason with you and you still lack the self awareness to see what you're doing.

I will go back to ignoring you and you can go back to doing whatever it is that you believe that you're doing. Have an excellent day.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

I'm more qualified than Trump. That's like saying the San Diego Chargers have more of a shot at winning the super bowl than the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs. Of course they do, still don't have much of a shot.

Honest questions, all of the scandals involving Clinton, Benghazi, the e-mail debacle, her involvement in all the issues brought up in Clinton Cash (I'll leave the extent of her involvement up for debate, but the coincidences are too many to ignore as ALL being false), her constant flip-flopping of issues (plenty of youtube videos of her changing her stance, and I don't believe its always "evolving or learning" as some politicians would say, I'm sure some just say what is most popular).

None of that makes you worried at all? Yes or no?

They've been attacking the Clinton's for two decades. Benghazi is literally the most partisan political ploy I've ever seen in politics. I literally like Clinton more because of her ability to handle that level of attack. She has no military experience. She does not have any say in how much security is needed or how to react to an attack from terrorists. It is disgusting what the Republicans did with Benghazi. So no, I don't care about that issue.

Clinton Cash. Trash conspiracy theories. No evidence of anything. Bill Clinton was a two term President that is well liked throughout the world. He used that notoriety to build a foundation that deals with foreign countries issues. Is it a possible conflict of interest? Sure, but that's why Hillary dropped out of the Clinton Foundation for her Presidential run. Is there any merit to those conspiracies, absolutely not. Like 9/11 truthers or birthers.

Her email thing, the FBI settled that. On the bottom of my list of things I care about.

Being a public figure for so long, there are definitely issues, and she's definitely said things she shouldn't. But the people around her, the people that know her most, say she is as qualified as it gets to be President of the United States. So I take their word for it more than conservative conspiracy theories.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I've told you plenty of times he's not my candidate, that's another problem you have. Anyone who doesn't trash him in every single post is secretly a supporter in your eyes.

I've tried to be civil and reason with you and you still lack the self awareness to see what you're doing.

I will go back to ignoring you and you can go back to doing whatever it is that you believe that you're doing. Have an excellent day.

You have never tried to be civil with me, lol. Please put me back on ignore. This thread was much better then.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by pgisback

They've been attacking the Clinton's for two decades. Benghazi is literally the most partisan political ploy I've ever seen in politics. I literally like Clinton more because of her ability to handle that level of attack. She has no military experience. She does not have any say in how much security is needed or how to react to an attack from terrorists. It is disgusting what the Republicans did with Benghazi. So no, I don't care about that issue.

Clinton Cash. Trash conspiracy theories. No evidence of anything. Bill Clinton was a two term President that is well liked throughout the world. He used that notoriety to build a foundation that deals with foreign countries issues. Is it a possible conflict of interest? Sure, but that's why Hillary dropped out of the Clinton Foundation for her Presidential run. Is there any merit to those conspiracies, absolutely not. Like 9/11 truthers or birthers.

Her email thing, the FBI settled that. On the bottom of my list of things I care about.

Being a public figure for so long, there are definitely issues, and she's definitely said things she shouldn't. But the people around her, the people that know her most, say she is as qualified as it gets to be President of the United States. So I take their word for it more than conservative conspiracy theories.

Travelgate. What about travelgate? Whitewater? None of that bothers you. Hillary's support for NAFTA? You know, the trade agreement that sent thousands of mfg jobs to Mexico???

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

The indoctrination state at it's finest: "You're not voting for my preferred candidate. I'm not happy, and I view your vote as trash."

But please, post some more stuff that showed up in your google inbox under the heading "Articles You Might Like"

You're a libertarian. More power to you. Good luck with your 1-2% vote. Don't you ever find it weird that 98-99% of voters don't agree with your ideology?

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I don't consider talking about demographics insulting people. I know people hate being called uneducated. But it's simply something you cannot ignore this election. Even though I personally do not believe the demographics are there for Trump and Hillary will win pretty convincingly, his staggering lead among uneducated white males is a real problem for Hillary. He's up almost 40%. 69/29. There's more uneducated whites than all minorities (educated or not) combined. And I'm just speaking numbers. Has nothing to do with race relations. Because minorities will favor Hillary by very wide margins. It's just there are less of them. So it is a real issue in this election and gives Trump a fighting chance. And yes, some people will be insulted by it, but the fact there is such a differential between educated opinions vs the uneducated is something that I worry about.

I think the use of the word "uneducated" in this context is counterproductive if you are interested in changing any minds. You are defining it as not having an education beyond high school. I understand what you are saying. But a lot of people throw the word around as a synonym for "ignorant," so it insults people.

A person can have no formal education beyond high school and still be plenty informed about the issues being debated. I don't think you are saying otherwise. But when you use the word while discussing a segment of the opposing party's base, you risk giving the impression that you think you are better than people with less formal education. Not a good look for the party.


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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pgisback

You have never tried to be civil with me, lol. Please put me back on ignore. This thread was much better then.

You were never on ignore, you're not that special

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I'm happier... but still unhappy you are willing to throw away a vote. Hillary is clearly much more qualified to be President than Trump. Trump's the least qualified candidate in American history.

I'm sorry but how dare you. How dare you tell me how to vote or call my vote a throw away vote. If I choose to vote for Trump, Clinton, Johnson, or Stein, that is my choice and my choice alone. You have come across a bit of a pompous ass in this thread but this comment takes the cake.

You wanna call someone out for intolerance, look in the mirror. Telling someone that they are wasting a vote, where did you get your high horse?

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

You were never on ignore, you're not that special

So you lied your comrade Trump?

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by pgisback

You're a libertarian. More power to you. Good luck with your 1-2% vote. Don't you ever find it weird that 98-99% of voters don't agree with your ideology?

I don't find it weird at all. What I find weird are people that are fine with the status quo. I find it weird that people are fine with a system that was purposefully created to divide us between "us" and "them." I find it weird that people are completely "fine" with steadily acquiescing their liberty for a false sense of security that only extends the power of those in authority. I find it weird that people want to continue to see their elected officials have 1 gigantic circle jerk with their buddies and backers at the expense of the ordinary american citizen.

I've never been the kind of laughable rube that blindly accepts that I must be right because people "agree with me." That's for people that want to be controlled and want to have masters. I'm not that man.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I'm sorry but how dare you. How dare you tell me how to vote or call my vote a throw away vote. If I choose to vote for Trump, Clinton, Johnson, or Stein, that is my choice and my choice alone. You have come across a bit of a pompous ass in this thread but this comment takes the cake.

You wanna call someone out for intolerance, look in the mirror. Telling someone that they are wasting a vote, where did you get your high horse?

You're in Ohio, your vote actually matters. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. Don't be that guy.

[jcardstore]

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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

I don't find it weird at all. What I find weird are people that are fine with the status quo. I find it weird that people are fine with a system that was purposefully created to divide us between "us" and "them." I find it weird that people are completely "fine" with steadily acquiescing their liberty for a false sense of security that only extends the power of those in authority. I find it weird that people want to continue to see their elected officials have 1 gigantic circle jerk with their buddies and backers at the expense of the ordinary american citizen.

I've never been the kind of laughable rube that blindly accepts that I must be right because people "agree with me." That's for people that want to be controlled and want to have masters. I'm not that man.

Couldn't have said it any better