2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I thought they were supposed to go between $50 and $100.

It just goes to show, unless you specifically pay someone to do a sketch for you, putting 1/1 on a sketch doesn't do a helluva lot for its value when some nobody puts them in a garbage product.

If a tree falls in the woods and all the people who propped it up run does it make a noise?

[DSizzle31]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

At first, I really thought maybe Will was just busy. Now, I'm starting to think this is a situation similar (but different) than Haiku.

Will did nothing illegal so let's not crucify him that way. But he did overvalue his product and lead people who trusted him astray, so to speak, and then vanished into thin air.

That is Haiku-like.

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I want to be clear here, even though I would be better to let it drop.

Although I mentioned Haiku comparing him to PR, it's not because of him ripping anyone off.

It's because both people came to the message board, befriended everyone, acted like a hero to the common man, and then vanished.

That is all. Haiku was a criminal who should be in jail. PR just put out a lousy product, completely legal.

But I do see the similarities the way they went about their business. Who didn't think Haiku was the greatest guy in the world when he was giving away cards to kids who did well in school?

Who didn't think PR was the man for putting out such a superior re-pack with full disclosure?

That is all, I want to be clear I am in no way, shape or form implying PR did anything illegal as he did not. He just put out a lousy product and vanished once the masses realized this!

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

Will he be handing out beats?

Can you stop with the passive aggressive shots comparing PR to Haiku? Putting out a product that is a lousy value(even after hyping it on the boards) and stealing tens of thousands of dollars couldn't be more different.

Prospect Rush over promised and under delivered and that happens all the time in this industry. Haiku stole.

Every time you compare them, even with a passing comment about Will handing out Beats, it really makes you look foolish.

[lambeauleap87]

I will say, I keep checking eBay hoping to see the Lindor sketch from this be listed, and all I ever see are those garbage "Sketch Card By Q" listings. Almost as much of a disappointment as the actual product itself.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

I will say, I keep checking eBay hoping to see the Lindor sketch from this be listed, and all I ever see are those garbage "Sketch Card By Q" listings. Almost as much of a disappointment as the actual product itself.

Nothing short of a Spike Lee Joint is as disappointing as the actual product!

[Cubs_rock21]

Super break primary players is a fabulous reseal product. 1150 a case

[gorillaz]

Originally Posted by Cubs_rock21

Super break primary players is a fabulous reseal product. 1150 a case

amazing definitely. Pulling Billy Hamilton autos left and right out of boxes

[DSizzle31]

It was just a bad product. It happens. Did Topps steal from collectors who bought 2014 Topps Chrome FB? It was a terrible product. The sell sheet shows Bortles, Watkins, Bridgewater, and Clowney. They didn't mention all the good autos were really tough to get and tons of $$$ was wasted on it.

Of course they didn't steal. Those cards are in there. They're just tough to get.

Listen, I'm no fan of PR. Like I said, I lost a little bit of money on this one. I bought a box of the initial release of PR and got two non auto slabs for my $200. I'm not Will's friend. He and I have had a couple of transactions and they were fine. I just think the reaction to this product is over the top.

Calling the guy a thief for putting out a crappy product? Come on.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

It was just a bad product. It happens. Did Topps steal from collectors who bought 2014 Topps Chrome FB? It was a terrible product. The sell sheet shows Bortles, Watkins, Bridgewater, and Clowney. They didn't mention all the good autos were really tough to get and tons of $$$ was wasted on it.

Of course they didn't steal. Those cards are in there. They're just tough to get.

Listen, I'm no fan of PR. Like I said, I lost a little bit of money on this one. I bought a box of the initial release of PR and got two non auto slabs for my $200. I'm not Will's friend. He and I have had a couple of transactions and they were fine. I just think the reaction to this product is over the top.

Calling the guy a thief for putting out a crappy product? Come on.

You can't compare the two; Topps promises no resale value of any kind, and creates the number of cases people order. It's not their fault that everyone saw the class and ordered case after case pre-sale. Unless Topps turned down half the orders, it was expected that the product would be super thin. How else can you print that many cases without making good hits hard to find?

Listen, you could likely convince me on either side of the fence here; but I have a hard time figuring out why Will has vanished. Not only that, he refuses to answer a potentially troubling tax question regarding the Bryant winner; which is another tick toward the stealing argument. If he knows he's going to issue a 1099, and is simply not saying it in public so it doesn't devalue his product ...

It would be a crappy product if 10 cases were winners and 90 were losers. It goes beyond that when 99 cases are guaranteed losers, and Will has decided it's best to never post on this forum again.

I can't say that Will and Haiku are the same, or similar ... but I wouldn't be as quick to dismiss the notion.

[cyndeeg3]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You can't compare the two; Topps promises no resale value of any kind, and creates the number of cases people order. It's not their fault that everyone saw the class and ordered case after case pre-sale. Unless Topps turned down half the orders, it was expected that the product would be super thin. How else can you print that many cases without making good hits hard to find?

Listen, you could likely convince me on either side of the fence here; but I have a hard time figuring out why Will has vanished. Not only that, he refuses to answer a potentially troubling tax question regarding the Bryant winner; which is another tick toward the stealing argument. If he knows he's going to issue a 1099, and is simply not saying it in public so it doesn't devalue his product ...

It would be a crappy product if 10 cases were winners and 90 were losers. It goes beyond that when 99 cases are guaranteed losers, and Will has decided it's best to never post on this forum again.

I can't say that Will and Haiku are the same, or similar ... but I wouldn't be as quick to dismiss the notion.

Never thought about one aspect of the whole 1099...

He will (pun) have to place a value on the Bryant Super. So, theoretically - we will know exactly what he paid for it, won't everyone see the guy at the National? Unless he goes Bartman, we will soon know!

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by cyndeeg3

Never thought about one aspect of the whole 1099...

He will (pun) have to place a value on the Bryant Super. So, theoretically - we will know exactly what he paid for it, won't everyone see the guy at the National? Unless he goes Bartman, we will soon know!

Canadian companies do not abide by US Tax Code.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Canadian companies do not abide by US Tax Code.

Americans do...

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

It was just a bad product. It happens. Did Topps steal from collectors who bought 2014 Topps Chrome FB? It was a terrible product. The sell sheet shows Bortles, Watkins, Bridgewater, and Clowney. They didn't mention all the good autos were really tough to get and tons of $$$ was wasted on it.

Of course they didn't steal. Those cards are in there. They're just tough to get.

Listen, I'm no fan of PR. Like I said, I lost a little bit of money on this one. I bought a box of the initial release of PR and got two non auto slabs for my $200. I'm not Will's friend. He and I have had a couple of transactions and they were fine. I just think the reaction to this product is over the top.

Calling the guy a thief for putting out a crappy product? Come on.

Your opinion seems to be based on the notion that it wasn't his intent to put out a crappy product. It isn't that much of a reach to call him a crook, albeit a figurative one, for swindling people that trusted and believed in him out of their money by charging $3000 knowing there was $800-$1200 worth of value in nearly every single case. He came in here with a sales pitch. He earned peoples trust and got them excited. He took advantage of them. He took their money. He oversold and under-delivered. And now he's gone.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Did Vinny ever get his free pelican case?

[oldgoldy97]

Hopefully someone at the National will record the impending confrontations between PR and the people in this thread.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Hopefully someone at the National will record the impending confrontations between PR and the people in this thread.

There won't be any unless he somehow weasles his way out of the giving out the Bryant. Like someone suggested above, he'll hand out a couple for $50 cards at the National and folks will be back here groveling at his feet again.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Hopefully someone at the National will record the impending confrontations between PR and the people in this thread.

Don't know Will and don't have a horse in the race, but is there any chance he doesn't show at the National? The more silly this seems to get, the more I've wondered about this possibility.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson

Don't know Will and don't have a horse in the race, but is there any chance he doesn't show at the National? The more silly this seems to get, the more I've wondered about this possibility.

I've thought about this as well; it's probably in his best interest to simply have a couple of people from his staff, or simply pay people to represent Prospect Rush to attend.

[Thinking]

Knowing that he spent some coin on the Bryant super and he obviously needs to make money on the deal it's unclear to me why anyone would expect more than the level of return on a typical box that had occurred.
The entire draw here was the super. Everyone who bought in was buying a lottery ticket. The odds to win a lottery are high so you may be pissed that you didn't win the lottery but that doesn't mean you were ripped off.
Seems like this isn't the first time this product has disappointed many. Isn't the definition of insanity when you do the same thing again and again but continue to expect a different result?
Can we all just move on at this point?

[T3sT]

Originally Posted by Thinking

Knowing that he spent some coin on the Bryant super and he obviously needs to make money on the deal it's unclear to me why anyone would expect more than the level of return on a typical box that had occurred.
The entire draw here was the super. Everyone who bought in was buying a lottery ticket. The odds to win a lottery are high so you may be pissed that you didn't win the lottery but that doesn't mean you were ripped off.
Seems like this isn't the first time this product has disappointed many. Isn't the definition of insanity when you do the same thing again and again but continue to expect a different result?
Can we all just move on at this point?

The problem is Kris Bryant super only takes small portion of the cost per box.

Let say he bought the super for 30-45k, it's only taken $100-150 cost per box.

The problem is 80-90% boxes only bring value $800-1200 and if you add cost of bryant.. that is mean 80-90% of the boxes only bring up to $1000-1500 worth value.

From almost 70++ boxes that opened i think the winner is only two boxes (box with Schwarber red auto and box with Verdugo red auto).

Now the price is ridiculously high at $2750 then our question is, where is the other winner boxes that's justified the price?? Looking at the front page we know that maybe only 5-10% boxes from overall production that is the winner.

So my conclusion is i know for sure PR take a lot of profit from this product while under-delivered the product. He state many times in his post in this thread and others that Prospects Rush products bring more value than any competitor.

[preakness]

Suppose KB is worth $40k

Suppose cases are 8k

100 cases.
5 cases = cost of KB

One would think better return on the other 95 cases

It's fine to make money but bottom
Line is most people figured a higher return per case overall

[HadWayTooMuch]

To be clear, I have stated in the exact posts highlighted that PR did nothing illegal. Unethical maybe, but not illegal.

But what he did was very Haiku-like, minus the beats and I will continue to make those comparisons as long as he is gone from this board.

Both befriended people here, made themselves heroes, took money from people here, and vanished. Now PR did deliver a portion of what he promised while Haiku just left town with the money, which is why I have continually said PR did nothing illegal, in spite of someone forgetting I said that and telling me I called him a crook.

But you don't spend months hyping your product swearing it's the greatest thing since sliced bread on this message board and then completely disappearing.

How ANYONE and I mean ANYONE can defend him right now is beyond me. The "what good is it to come on here now" people should realize the reason he should come on here is he has mistreated his "friends" on the board that he made promises to and should at least apologize if nothing else. Not that apologizing would make up for it mind you, but it would be a start.

It's okay (sort of) to have a lousy product as it is our choice to purchase or to not purchase, but to come on here and convince your "friends" how great it will be and then vanish, that's awful.

So until he shows up to face the music, the "beats" will go on!

[Adamchuk]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

To be clear, I have stated in the exact posts highlighted that PR did nothing illegal. Unethical maybe, but not illegal.

But what he did was very Haiku-like, minus the beats and I will continue to make those comparisons as long as he is gone from this board.

Both befriended people here, made themselves heroes, took money from people here, and vanished. Now PR did deliver a portion of what he promised while Haiku just left town with the money, which is why I have continually said PR did nothing illegal, in spite of someone forgetting I said that and telling me I called him a crook.

But you don't spend months hyping your product swearing it's the greatest thing since sliced bread on this message board and then completely disappearing.

How ANYONE and I mean ANYONE can defend him right now is beyond me. The "what good is it to come on here now" people should realize the reason he should come on here is he has mistreated his "friends" on the board that he made promises to and should at least apologize if nothing else. Not that apologizing would make up for it mind you, but it would be a start.

It's okay (sort of) to have a lousy product as it is our choice to purchase or to not purchase, but to come on here and convince your "friends" how great it will be and then vanish, that's awful.

So until he shows up to face the music, the "beats" will go on!

Please, he did what every other company does, promote a product. Its no different than Bowman, Topps, Leaf, Panini etc etc. Look at all the promotions and galleries Panini does for their releases. What Will did is no different.

And you hit the nail on the head, he promoted his product, people bought it, and it turns out the value wasn't there for most. How is this any different? You bought the hype, bought a product and got a $2 base auto. I don't see Bowman coming in here having to answer for themselves.

Should he have not laid out what he thought was the value per box, probably, he make some mistakes, but nothing overly egregious.

Go cry to someone else. This is so circular its ridiculous.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by Adamchuk

Please, he did what every other company does, promote a product. Its no different than Bowman, Topps, Leaf, Panini etc etc. Look at all the promotions and galleries Panini does for their releases. What Will did is no different.

And you hit the nail on the head, he promoted his product, people bought it, and it turns out the value wasn't there for most. How is this any different? You bought the hype, bought a product and got a $2 base auto. I don't see Bowman coming in here having to answer for themselves.

Should he have not laid out what he thought was the value per box, probably, he make some mistakes, but nothing overly egregious.

Go cry to someone else. This is so circular its ridiculous.

Nobody from Topps, Bowman, Panini, etc came on here and became buddy buddy with everybody. Again, people fell for it, shame on them. But at the end of the day, the difference is, to some people, while Topps or Panini just sold them crap, their friend (PR) sold them crap while promising them a rose garden, so to speak.

That is the difference, along with Topps & Panini have original product where more than 1/3 of a percent has value in it.

[Rooftop]

Common sense tells you if you open 250 cases of 2014 draft and have 300 prospect rush boxes, you're getting 83% of a hobby/jumbo case.

[green4407]