2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

I will say, I keep checking eBay hoping to see the Lindor sketch from this be listed, and all I ever see are those garbage "Sketch Card By Q" listings. Almost as much of a disappointment as the actual product itself.

Nothing short of a Spike Lee Joint is as disappointing as the actual product!

[Cubs_rock21]

Super break primary players is a fabulous reseal product. 1150 a case

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by preakness

Bryant sketch listed

The other Bryant sketch card sold for $20. Yes, $20. It was listed at $69.99 obo, and it went for $20. You can see the actual selling price here on the uk ebay listing.

Prospect Rush Kris Bryant 1/1 Sketch

[wheeler281]

Originally Posted by MeetJSquared

Just add to the ignore list, and these threads become much more pleasant. The only thing you have to do is force yourself not to look at any of this posts that are quoted.

Jackpot brother!

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

The other Bryant sketch card sold for $20. Yes, $20. It was listed at $69.99 obo, and it went for $20. You can see the actual selling price here on the uk ebay listing.

Prospect Rush Kris Bryant 1/1 Sketch

I thought they were supposed to go between $50 and $100.

It just goes to show, unless you specifically pay someone to do a sketch for you, putting 1/1 on a sketch doesn't do a helluva lot for its value when some nobody puts them in a garbage product.

[wheeler281]

Originally Posted by death2redemptions

This is still a thing?

Prospect Rush sucks bro!

There, I have done my part now.

I am just excited to see what happens at the Natty and if anyone really says anything

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by wheeler281

I am just excited to see what happens at the Natty and if anyone really says anything

All Will needs to do is hand out a few freebies and the fools here complaining will be groveling on their knees for a handout.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

All Will needs to do is hand out a few freebies and the fools here complaining will be groveling on their knees for a handout.

Will he be handing out beats?

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I thought they were supposed to go between $50 and $100.

It just goes to show, unless you specifically pay someone to do a sketch for you, putting 1/1 on a sketch doesn't do a helluva lot for its value when some nobody puts them in a garbage product.

If a tree falls in the woods and all the people who propped it up run does it make a noise?

[DSizzle31]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

At first, I really thought maybe Will was just busy. Now, I'm starting to think this is a situation similar (but different) than Haiku.

Will did nothing illegal so let's not crucify him that way. But he did overvalue his product and lead people who trusted him astray, so to speak, and then vanished into thin air.

That is Haiku-like.

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I want to be clear here, even though I would be better to let it drop.

Although I mentioned Haiku comparing him to PR, it's not because of him ripping anyone off.

It's because both people came to the message board, befriended everyone, acted like a hero to the common man, and then vanished.

That is all. Haiku was a criminal who should be in jail. PR just put out a lousy product, completely legal.

But I do see the similarities the way they went about their business. Who didn't think Haiku was the greatest guy in the world when he was giving away cards to kids who did well in school?

Who didn't think PR was the man for putting out such a superior re-pack with full disclosure?

That is all, I want to be clear I am in no way, shape or form implying PR did anything illegal as he did not. He just put out a lousy product and vanished once the masses realized this!

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

Will he be handing out beats?

Can you stop with the passive aggressive shots comparing PR to Haiku? Putting out a product that is a lousy value(even after hyping it on the boards) and stealing tens of thousands of dollars couldn't be more different.

Prospect Rush over promised and under delivered and that happens all the time in this industry. Haiku stole.

Every time you compare them, even with a passing comment about Will handing out Beats, it really makes you look foolish.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

Can you stop with the passive aggressive shots comparing PR to Haiku? Putting out a product that is a lousy value(even after hyping it on the boards) and stealing tens of thousands of dollars couldn't be more different.

Prospect Rush over promised and under delivered and that happens all the time in this industry. Haiku stole.

Every time you compare them, even with a passing comment about Will handing out Beats, it really makes you look foolish.

Can we explore this for a second?

You say there's a big difference between Haiku and Will. Couldn't you argue them to be the same?

[DSizzle31]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Can we explore this for a second?

You say there's a big difference between Haiku and Will. Couldn't you argue them to be the same?

I understand the similarities with befriending people, gaining trust, and ultimately disappearing. However, Will DELIVERED a subpar product. Haiku delivered nothing. He stole money and left.

As I have previously mentioned, I entered a PR group break. I lost my $60. I wanted a chance at the Bryant. I got that chance. Just because I didn't have anything to show for my $60 doesn't mean that Will stole my money. I paid for a chance at a big card.

IMO, it is a BIG leap to imply that Will stole anything. He sold his product. It's called puffing. It isn't illegal. What Haiku did was illegal.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

I understand the similarities with befriending people, gaining trust, and ultimately disappearing. However, Will DELIVERED a subpar product. Haiku delivered nothing. He stole money and left.

As I have previously mentioned, I entered a PR group break. I lost my $60. I wanted a chance at the Bryant. I got that chance.

IMO, it is a BIG leap to imply that Will stole anything. He sold his product. It's called puffing. It isn't illegal. What Haiku did was illegal.

Isn't it likely that Will opened 250 cases of Draft, realized the amount of money that he spent on it all, the amount he'll spend on grading, and had a hard time figuring out how to make a profit without investing 10,000 hours of his time? From that point on, isn't it stealing? The intent is to take money from everyone else, knowing he's providing an inferior product, and then vanishing from site (he logs in everyday, why IDK).

You call it puffing, I think it could just as easily be called a pump and dump. Look no further than the added value of the cases, where he makes claim to up to $100 in value. IDK if that was believed, but it was stated.

The intent of both is the same no? Make/Take money from unsuspecting people who believe they are dealing with a genuine individual.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Isn't it likely that Will opened 250 cases of Draft, realized the amount of money that he spent on it all, the amount he'll spend on grading, and had a hard time figuring out how to make a profit without investing 10,000 hours of his time? From that point on, isn't it stealing? The intent is to take money from everyone else, knowing he's providing an inferior product, and then vanishing from site (he logs in everyday, why IDK).

You call it puffing, I think it could just as easily be called a pump and dump. Look no further than the added value of the cases, where he makes claim to up to $100 in value. IDK if that was believed, but it was stated.

The intent of both is the same no? Make/Take money from unsuspecting people who believe they are dealing with a genuine individual.

The same? Maybe the end result is the same (both ended up with money and disappeared). But there is no way they are the same. That's like comparing guys on those infomercials and Bernie Madoff. There is a difference between taking advantage of people and stealing their money. Both are morally wrong but only one is criminal.

[DSizzle31]

It was just a bad product. It happens. Did Topps steal from collectors who bought 2014 Topps Chrome FB? It was a terrible product. The sell sheet shows Bortles, Watkins, Bridgewater, and Clowney. They didn't mention all the good autos were really tough to get and tons of $$$ was wasted on it.

Of course they didn't steal. Those cards are in there. They're just tough to get.

Listen, I'm no fan of PR. Like I said, I lost a little bit of money on this one. I bought a box of the initial release of PR and got two non auto slabs for my $200. I'm not Will's friend. He and I have had a couple of transactions and they were fine. I just think the reaction to this product is over the top.

Calling the guy a thief for putting out a crappy product? Come on.

[dasiegel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Isn't it likely that Will opened 250 cases of Draft, realized the amount of money that he spent on it all, the amount he'll spend on grading, and had a hard time figuring out how to make a profit without investing 10,000 hours of his time? From that point on, isn't it stealing? The intent is to take money from everyone else, knowing he's providing an inferior product, and then vanishing from site (he logs in everyday, why IDK).

You call it puffing, I think it could just as easily be called a pump and dump. Look no further than the added value of the cases, where he makes claim to up to $100 in value. IDK if that was believed, but it was stated.

The intent of both is the same no? Make/Take money from unsuspecting people who believe they are dealing with a genuine individual.

I definitely think what Haiku did was worse and with a worse purpose. I think what Will did was over-hype his product and in fairness, many people on BO helped him in thread. I also think people forget that when you put in work, you do it to make a profit. What Will may have done is use his ML/PR status to his advantage to build trust as has been stated above.

What this product should do is what any market does, operate as information for people going forward. PR had a choice on whether to put out a product and how to put it out and he made decisions and now people here can decide what kind of person he is and product he puts out.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Did Vinny ever get his free pelican case?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

It was just a bad product. It happens. Did Topps steal from collectors who bought 2014 Topps Chrome FB? It was a terrible product. The sell sheet shows Bortles, Watkins, Bridgewater, and Clowney. They didn't mention all the good autos were really tough to get and tons of $$$ was wasted on it.

Of course they didn't steal. Those cards are in there. They're just tough to get.

Listen, I'm no fan of PR. Like I said, I lost a little bit of money on this one. I bought a box of the initial release of PR and got two non auto slabs for my $200. I'm not Will's friend. He and I have had a couple of transactions and they were fine. I just think the reaction to this product is over the top.

Calling the guy a thief for putting out a crappy product? Come on.

You can't compare the two; Topps promises no resale value of any kind, and creates the number of cases people order. It's not their fault that everyone saw the class and ordered case after case pre-sale. Unless Topps turned down half the orders, it was expected that the product would be super thin. How else can you print that many cases without making good hits hard to find?

Listen, you could likely convince me on either side of the fence here; but I have a hard time figuring out why Will has vanished. Not only that, he refuses to answer a potentially troubling tax question regarding the Bryant winner; which is another tick toward the stealing argument. If he knows he's going to issue a 1099, and is simply not saying it in public so it doesn't devalue his product ...

It would be a crappy product if 10 cases were winners and 90 were losers. It goes beyond that when 99 cases are guaranteed losers, and Will has decided it's best to never post on this forum again.

I can't say that Will and Haiku are the same, or similar ... but I wouldn't be as quick to dismiss the notion.

[gmarutiak]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

The same? Maybe the end result is the same (both ended up with money and disappeared). But there is no way they are the same. That's like comparing guys on those infomercials and Bernie Madoff. There is a difference between taking advantage of people and stealing their money. Both are morally wrong but only one is criminal.

Well, maybe both are criminal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau

[gorillaz]

Originally Posted by Cubs_rock21

Super break primary players is a fabulous reseal product. 1150 a case

amazing definitely. Pulling Billy Hamilton autos left and right out of boxes

[oldgoldy97]

Hopefully someone at the National will record the impending confrontations between PR and the people in this thread.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

It was just a bad product. It happens. Did Topps steal from collectors who bought 2014 Topps Chrome FB? It was a terrible product. The sell sheet shows Bortles, Watkins, Bridgewater, and Clowney. They didn't mention all the good autos were really tough to get and tons of $$$ was wasted on it.

Of course they didn't steal. Those cards are in there. They're just tough to get.

Listen, I'm no fan of PR. Like I said, I lost a little bit of money on this one. I bought a box of the initial release of PR and got two non auto slabs for my $200. I'm not Will's friend. He and I have had a couple of transactions and they were fine. I just think the reaction to this product is over the top.

Calling the guy a thief for putting out a crappy product? Come on.

Your opinion seems to be based on the notion that it wasn't his intent to put out a crappy product. It isn't that much of a reach to call him a crook, albeit a figurative one, for swindling people that trusted and believed in him out of their money by charging $3000 knowing there was $800-$1200 worth of value in nearly every single case. He came in here with a sales pitch. He earned peoples trust and got them excited. He took advantage of them. He took their money. He oversold and under-delivered. And now he's gone.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Hopefully someone at the National will record the impending confrontations between PR and the people in this thread.

There won't be any unless he somehow weasles his way out of the giving out the Bryant. Like someone suggested above, he'll hand out a couple for $50 cards at the National and folks will be back here groveling at his feet again.

[Turd Ferguson]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Hopefully someone at the National will record the impending confrontations between PR and the people in this thread.

Don't know Will and don't have a horse in the race, but is there any chance he doesn't show at the National? The more silly this seems to get, the more I've wondered about this possibility.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson

Don't know Will and don't have a horse in the race, but is there any chance he doesn't show at the National? The more silly this seems to get, the more I've wondered about this possibility.

I've thought about this as well; it's probably in his best interest to simply have a couple of people from his staff, or simply pay people to represent Prospect Rush to attend.