Aaron Judge

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

I still think it will be a long 6 or 7 game series. Tonight’s game will tell a lot. Whichever staff can get the most scoreless innings from their starter will have the advantage as they can hide their best relievers till they really need them.

Agreed on all points. Relievers are way less mysterious when you run through them a few times in a short span of time.

For people who underestimate the value that Mariano had in the Yankees Championship runs, it was truly amazing how many times you could put him in a game without lineups figuring him out.


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[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Agreed on all points. Relievers are way less mysterious when you run through them a few times in a short span of time.

For people who underestimate the value that Mariano had in the Yankees Championship runs, it was truly amazing how many times you could put him in a game without lineups figuring him out.


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And even Mariano wasn’t as untouchable in the postseason as most would believe. See the 1997 Indians, now Guardians, the 2001 Diamondbacks and the 2004 Red Sox. But yes in a must win situation I agree he is the reliever I would trust over anyone else.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

And even Mariano wasn’t as untouchable in the postseason as most would believe. See the 1997 Indians, now Guardians, the 2001 Diamondbacks and the 2004 Red Sox. But yes in a must win situation I agree he is the reliever I would trust over anyone else.

Diamondbacks wouldn't have won if the infield was at normal depth as Jeter easily gets to that ball for an out.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Diamondbacks wouldn't have won if the infield was at normal depth as Jeter easily gets to that ball for an out.

Yep but what do they say, on the sports page the next day it will look like a line drive. There are 3 more titles I think the Yankees could’ve had 2001, 2003,and 2004. That inning against the Diamondbacks was horrible throughout. 2003 I think the Boston series took more out of them than we thought and it showed against the Marlins. 2004 if Roberts and the steal doesn’t happen after Rivera walked Millar to start the inning and the Yankees would’ve completed the sweep I think they could’ve beaten the Cardinals also.

[Stifle]

Bottom line, it’s time for him and Betts to either show up or their DNA will be questioned for post season performance or lack of. It’s a much higher leverage than the regular season and some players just disappear but at least they have a opportunity to attack that moment like Freeman did. Game 2 might be theirs?

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Bottom line, it’s time for him and Betts to either show up or their DNA will be questioned for post season performance or lack of. It’s a much higher leverage than the regular season and some players just disappear but at least they have a opportunity to attack that moment like Freeman did. Game 2 might be theirs?

I just checked the stats for this year’s ALCS and NLCS - which are both post season. Judge struggled, but what was wrong with Mookie’s performance?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

Yep but what do they say, on the sports page the next day it will look like a line drive. There are 3 more titles I think the Yankees could’ve had 2001, 2003,and 2004. That inning against the Diamondbacks was horrible throughout. 2003 I think the Boston series took more out of them than we thought and it showed against the Marlins. 2004 if Roberts and the steal doesn’t happen after Rivera walked Millar to start the inning and the Yankees would’ve completed the sweep I think they could’ve beaten the Cardinals also.

Yankees lost ‘03 in 6. Beckett was a machine. No way you could watch that series and think they were the better team or could have won it.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Yankees lost ‘03 in 6. Beckett was a machine. No way you could watch that series and think they were the better team or could have won it.

They couldn’t hit Beckett which cost them the series but I still think they had the better team 7 games against Boston and the way that series ended was draining.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Yankees lost ‘03 in 6. Beckett was a machine. No way you could watch that series and think they were the better team or could have won it.

iirc, Boone had a chance to give the Yankees the lead late in game 5 but could not even put the ball in play. They were toast after that

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[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

They couldn’t hit Beckett which cost them the series but I still think they had the better team 7 games against Boston and the way that series ended was draining.

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

iirc, Boone had a chance to give the Yankees the lead late in game 5 but could not even put the ball in play. They were toast after that

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I’m sure the ALCS was emotionally draining for them, but an emotionally draining 2004 ALCS didn’t hurt the Red Sox. The better team won the 2003 World Series.

[Bcr]

Man, Judge's downfall is super depressing considering what he did in the regular season. This is the same person that was getting the Bonds treatment earlier in the year.

[Brobocop]

He’s struck out in over 40% of his plate appearances this post season? No way that’s right.

[Zeldafanatic15]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

He’s struck out in over 40% of his plate appearances this post season? No way that’s right.

Statmuse has 50 plate appearances and 19 strikeouts this postseason. Add tonight's, 3 strikeouts in 4 ABs would put it at 40%. Seems wild.

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[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I’m sure the ALCS was emotionally draining for them, but an emotionally draining 2004 ALCS didn’t hurt the Red Sox. The better team won the 2003 World Series.

The Red Sox were on a roll having won 4 straight against the Yankees to put themselves in position to end the curse. If the Marlins were the better team why were the Yankees such heavy favorites and why was the Marlins victory considered such an upset. We will never know how great the Marlins could’ve been because the damn owner sold off the better players.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Man, Judge's downfall is super depressing considering what he did in the regular season. This is the same person that was getting the Bonds treatment earlier in the year.

They are toast with the way he is playing. It’s getting to the point where benching him wouldn’t be the worst move.

[Seitas]

The dodgers game plan of sliders below the knees is killing judge. He can’t lay off. He’s pressing. He spits on those pitches in the regular season. Hopefully he can get on track in NY.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

I just checked the stats for this year’s ALCS and NLCS - which are both post season. Judge struggled, but what was wrong with Mookie’s performance?

Betts was terrible in the 2022 and 2023 playoffs, but he's been fine this year.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

The Red Sox were on a roll having won 4 straight against the Yankees to put themselves in position to end the curse. If the Marlins were the better team why were the Yankees such heavy favorites and why was the Marlins victory considered such an upset. We will never know how great the Marlins could’ve been because the damn owner sold off the better players.

Not really trying to argue about a series that happened 21 years ago in the Aaron Judge thread, but I’ll answer these two questions.

Why were the Yankees the favorite: That’s a Vegas thing for the most part. Vegas sets the line in a way that generates equal betting on both sides. As far as why regular people were picking the Yankees… it’s because they were the flipping Yankees going against lowly Marlins. Either way, people’s pre-conceived notions of who was better before the series has zero bearing on who was actually the better team. That’s why you play the games.


2004 and Beyond: What happened after the 2003 World Series has no impact on who the better team was during the 2003 World Series. I feel like you should know this. The Chiefs don’t need to accomplish their 3-peat this year to validate the ‘22 and ‘23 teams.

I don’t want to clog this thread on an off-topic tangent no one cares about. If you want to talk more in it, start a “The 2003 World Series: A Retrospective” thread, and I’ll gladly keep chatting.

Now back to our regularly scheduled Aaron Judge programming.

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

When this guy decides to suck he's ALL IN!

I was just kidding a few weeks ago but apparently it's true!

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Not really trying to argue about a series that happened 21 years ago in the Aaron Judge thread, but I’ll answer these two questions.

Why were the Yankees the favorite: That’s a Vegas thing for the most part. Vegas sets the line in a way that generates equal betting on both sides. As far as why regular people were picking the Yankees… it’s because they were the flipping Yankees going against lowly Marlins. Either way, people’s pre-conceived notions of who was better before the series has zero bearing on who was actually the better team. That’s why you play the games.


2004 and Beyond: What happened after the 2003 World Series has no impact on who the better team was during the 2003 World Series. I feel like you should know this. The Chiefs don’t need to accomplish their 3-peat this year to validate the ‘22 and ‘23 teams.

I don’t want to clog this thread on an off-topic tangent no one cares about. If you want to talk more in it, start a “The 2003 World Series: A Retrospective” thread, and I’ll gladly keep chatting.

Now back to our regularly scheduled Aaron Judge programming.

Seems I found the one truly passionate Marlins fan and for that I commend you. We will agree to disagree you have good points and reasoning but then again I could come back with my reasoning and we would just go around in circles. Good Talk.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

I was just kidding a few weeks ago but apparently it's true!

Yep up until the Dodgers series the Yankees were able to get away with it but his lack of production has cost them the first 2 games of that series. Other teams are taking notes and how these playoff teams are handling him and it will make next year’s regular season much harder on him.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

He’s struck out in over 40% of his plate appearances this post season? No way that’s right.

Originally Posted by Zeldafanatic15

Statmuse has 50 plate appearances and 19 strikeouts this postseason. Add tonight's, 3 strikeouts in 4 ABs would put it at 40%. Seems wild.

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He's easily going to surpass his K total in the ALCS; probably in Game 3. He has 85 Ks in 248 plate appearances in the post season in his career.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

They are toast with the way he is playing. It’s getting to the point where benching him wouldn’t be the worst move.

Jasson Dominguez most likely doesn't strike out this much if playing and if he gets on base, he can steal.

[ThoseBackPages]

anyone dumping?

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

Seems I found the one truly passionate Marlins fan and for that I commend you. We will agree to disagree you have good points and reasoning but then again I could come back with my reasoning and we would just go around in circles. Good Talk.

Dammit my turn, who gives a F: 2003 banner proudly flies in Loan Depot, Loria proudly wears his gaudy jewel encrusted ring and HOFers Miguel Cabrera and Pudge Rodriguez proudly get to have 2003 WS champion on their plaque & stat line bios.

2003 gave the world Dontrelle Willis
2003 again postseason Beckett was dang near unhittable and quieted a sold out Yankee Stadium.

And Defense matters, I’ll put peak Pudge, Luis Castillo, Alex Gonzalez, Derek Lee, Mike Lowell and Juan Pierre against anyone out there.

Oh yeah and if the Cubs had that type of Defense the whole blame Bartman is a never a topic.

Small ball matters, don’t you dare allow a bunt to Pierre or any IF single to Castillo because there’s a really good chance it’s going to turn into a double.
Tell me, how bad would you love to see the Yanks (Judge) manufacture a run when they had a whopping 1 hit thru 8 innings?

Yeah those pesky 2003 Marlins were pretty dang good by the time late October rolled around