4 box case of Wheeler Collection

[Dobber2330]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

That's because it's the ONLY Wheeler collection break, and like many others, I check it out often as I am fascinated by this.

I'm just wondering who is buying this product if nobody on BO is. Since when do BO members buy a product like this and not show their break?

This is getting more interesting by the moment. But I still have no opinion as I have not seen enough breaks nor read enough about the breaks to form an opinion as to whether Wheeler was right or I was right.

So I'm still sitting here waiting for more breaks...

Were you watching BO TV on Friday afternoon??

Two full cases of the product (8 boxes) were opened on BO TV between 1:00-3:00 CST

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by Dobber2330

Were you watching BO TV on Friday afternoon??

Two full cases of the product (8 boxes) were opened on BO TV between 1:00-3:00 CST

For a total of 3 cases opened on BO. All I am saying, and let's be clear, all I am saying is based on other products including the debacle that was PR, seeing that only 3 cases have been opened on BO cannot be a good sign for The Wheeler Collection.

And again, that is all I am saying. I am here waiting to make an opinion as promised to Wheeler on what I truly think of this product based solely on the content that is pulled from it. I still have not seen enough product nearly one week later to judge good or bad.

It's just odd that nobody on BO is buying it. So who is buying the other 77 cases?

[kakman]

Interesting timing with Sportkings Vault coming out in the past week also with Wheeler Colleciton. Not sure what to think, but there are some cards in Vault I will try and add to my collection!

[kakman]

I love the Wheeler Collection concept, much more fun to try and build rare sets that can be traded in for value. As opposed to rip and try to flip, I always enjoy people (including myself) that will rip a case and talk about how cool the cards are, a great break followed by - All will be listed on Ebay and on average we have to be lucky to make 50% back on our "investment".

I bought a lot of poker, between 2010, 2011, 2012 there 747 cases made by Leaf, I probably opened 200, maybe more of these 747 cases. I built a 2011 Leaf Poker 60 card Diamonds set, there can only be 3 as there are only /3 Doyle Brunson & Johnny Chan. I always thought it would be cool to be rewarded for chasing down such a rare set, and now Matt has provided these types of opportunities. I would also say I came out ahead with this product in the end and have a couple cool sets and met some great people.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by natbornkiller

please

I'll bite.....

OP had a very good, profitable break of this product. A couple members here still want to bash this product, even though they have no intention or true interest in the product. One member is known to flip flop like a fish out of water, the other clearly does not understand the hobby yet owns a card shop. I would assume his bitterness comes from watching everyone else enjoy the hobby while his own business struggles.

OP loved the break, and the numbers do not lie. Since profitability seems to be all that people care about, well this case delivered just that! Wheeler is still here answering questions. Matt continues to address questions from people who will bash his product no matter what, and I give him credit for that.

My only suggestion for the Wheeler company would be to try and lower the price point. There is alot to this product, and I think alot of buyers who would try getting into this are priced out at over $1,000 a box. I'm not saying it isn't worth the price. I just think if you could somehow shrink the price, maybe by cutting the amount of cards per box, you would have a huge demand right now. I see this as a product that could really catch on, because your paying customers seem very satisfied.

[WHLR Collection]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

For a total of 3 cases opened on BO. All I am saying, and let's be clear, all I am saying is based on other products including the debacle that was PR, seeing that only 3 cases have been opened on BO cannot be a good sign for The Wheeler Collection.

And again, that is all I am saying. I am here waiting to make an opinion as promised to Wheeler on what I truly think of this product based solely on the content that is pulled from it. I still have not seen enough product nearly one week later to judge good or bad.

It's just odd that nobody on BO is buying it. So who is buying the other 77 cases?

Fact #1 - People on Blowout are buying it.

Fact #2 - There have been more than 3 cases of Legends & Treasures opened from Blowout members.

Fact #3 - I am not concerned at all how sales are going.

Fact #4 - I am not waiting on pins and needles for your opinion, although you remind us constantly that you're still waiting to give us your opinion.

I have no clue why you think your opinion is so valuable. I do find it interesting though that all of the sudden you're "waiting to give your opinion", when in the past you can't wait to give your opinion.

[WHLR Collection]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

My only suggestion for the Wheeler company would be to try and lower the price point. There is alot to this product, and I think alot of buyers who would try getting into this are priced out at over $1,000 a box. I'm not saying it isn't worth the price. I just think if you could somehow shrink the price, maybe by cutting the amount of cards per box, you would have a huge demand right now. I see this as a product that could really catch on, because your paying customers seem very satisfied.

Thank you for your suggestion.

I assumed all along this is a product that might take time for people to understand and fully appreciate. I'd love to make it cheaper, while keeping the integrity of the concept intact. I'm just not sure how that can be done at this time. I definitely don't want to be stubborn about it. If I could produce the same product for $295, or even $95 per box, I'd love to do it.

[Pearce77]

I have no clue why you think your opinion is so valuable.

5,000 post count

[WHLR Collection]

Originally Posted by Pearce77

5,000 post count

You're actually 100% right. I shouldn't have been so critical there.

[atoaz12]

Pretty sure people have no idea how much it costs to put out a product like this

The actual cards, packaging, shipping, man hours, marketing, sure Blowout is getting a cut, operating a website...

[goldenegg1]

Originally Posted by WHLR Collection

Thank you for your post.

I understand you don't want to send your cards back for website credit, but I'd like to take just a moment to let you know what would happen if you did:

- The 1/1 is worth 175 website credits.
- The gold gram bar card, (common or not), is worth 90 website credits.

That's 265 Crown Coins, (website credits), for your two cards.

Currently, (if the website was running correctly ), I have a price of 140 crown coins for a 1/10th oz. gold coin card. For 280 crown coins, you could redeem for 2 of them. (I know you only have 265 worth of cards).

Here's a 1/10th oz. coin currently selling on ebay at auction...

2015 $5 1 10 oz American Eagle Gold Coin Uncirculated | eBay

...currently at $141 with an hour to go or so.

Now, I know you don't want to mess with sending those cards back to me. And I know you don't want to bother finding 15 more crown coins, but just looking at the precious metals side of the website credit redemption part, you could make it to where you didn't lose that much, if anything, and could probably make a little money on your hits.

If this doesn't interest you at all, I understand. I thought it might help others in similar situations understand things better.

Let me know if you have any questions, and best of luck with your ebay sales.

And this is why I am not a buyer, it should not be this complicated.
I don't have the time to try to figure out what the exchange rate is for x card for x amount of precious metals and I don't have the time to track down 10 different parallels of a bird card, it just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

[kakman]

Agreed, this is not for everyone


Some people like checkers, some people like chess

[kakman]

Matt - where can I find what might be in the state quarter rip cards? I have a base version Montana coming from the complimentary break and will probably rip it!

[goldenegg1]

I'm trying to buy one of the Illinois State Quarters on ebay, but I am not paying more than $20 for it.

[WHLR Collection]

Originally Posted by goldenegg1

And this is why I am not a buyer, it should not be this complicated.
I don't have the time to try to figure out what the exchange rate is for x card for x amount of precious metals and I don't have the time to track down 10 different parallels of a bird card, it just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I understand.

I didn't want it to be easy for everyone. The rewards are too great. I want to reward actual accomplishments, and not simply give stuff away to lucky winners.

I don't mean to offend anyone. This product isn't for everyone. But those that want to spend a little time understanding what's here could do well. I'll be very happy and excited for the collectors each time I ship out a solid gold 10-gram bar, 1-oz coin, or any of the other nice precious metal rewards.

[WHLR Collection]

Originally Posted by kakman

Matt - where can I find what might be in the state quarter rip cards? I have a base version Montana coming from the complimentary break and will probably rip it!

There are different types of silver pieces in that rip chamber. They could be simple silver rounds, silver proof dimes, or old silver dimes when they were 90% silver instead of clad.

Originally, I had all those silver pieces divided up equally among all 50 states. When the cutting error took place, that company removed all of the silver and had to re-insert them into newly printed sheets. I have no idea if they inserted them equally among each state again, so as random as it was before, it's even more random now as to what you'll get.

Keep in mind, once these are ripped, they cannot be returned for website credit.

[WHLR Collection]

Originally Posted by goldenegg1

I'm trying to buy one of the Illinois State Quarters on ebay, but I am not paying more than $20 for it.

The blue back versions are the most common and have a clad quarter in them. The other 4 color variations get rarer, and they each have a silver proof quarter in them. I inserted every quarter myself, so make sure if you're buying a different colored back than blue, my tamper-proof "WC" logo sticker is still in place. You don't want to buy a silver proof quarter card where someone removed the silver and replaced it with clad.

Also, I am not happy with the quality of the cutting of these cards. The cutting is what delayed this release the first time. I almost delayed it a second time when the reprinted cards came back. If any of you get a quarter card you want to keep, but aren't happy with the quality of the cutting, (chipping, way off-center, etc.), I will replace them for you around the release of series 2.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by WHLR Collection

Fact #1 - People on Blowout are buying it.

Fact #2 - There have been more than 3 cases of Legends & Treasures opened from Blowout members.

Fact #3 - I am not concerned at all how sales are going.

Fact #4 - I am not waiting on pins and needles for your opinion, although you remind us constantly that you're still waiting to give us your opinion.

I have no clue why you think your opinion is so valuable. I do find it interesting though that all of the sudden you're "waiting to give your opinion", when in the past you can't wait to give your opinion.

Because I specifically told you after the product is released, I will either admit it's a good product and that I was wrong or I will be correct. I have seen 3 case breaks on these boards. If there are more, my bad, I just haven't seen them. It seems you are now the one on the offensive as I'm a just sitting back waiting. I find it very interesting to say the least considering I haven't said a negative thing about your product in a month or more unless you consider saying there aren't many box breaks on here a negative thing.

[andy88c]

Originally Posted by goldenegg1

And this is why I am not a buyer, it should not be this complicated.
I don't have the time to try to figure out what the exchange rate is for x card for x amount of precious metals and I don't have the time to track down 10 different parallels of a bird card, it just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Figuring out the exchange rate for precious metals takes about ten seconds. You can do it all on Google.

[goldenegg1]

Originally Posted by andy88c

Figuring out the exchange rate for precious metals takes about ten seconds. You can do it all on Google.

That is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about how many birds or whatever cards you need to trade in for points on the website to get an ounce of gold or whatever.
I know about exchange rates and I know about Google. Thanks though

[wju2004]

Originally Posted by goldenegg1

That is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about how many birds or whatever cards you need to trade in for points on the website to get an ounce of gold or whatever.
I know about exchange rates and I know about Google. Thanks though

Completing sets is the key for many of them. For the bird cards, you have to get 1 of every color to redeem for another card with gold. There can only be 3 sets for the birds as the black ones are /3.

[DetectiveChrome]

When repacks first came about, it was about the chase of the hobbies best rookie CARDS (slabbed). It was new and exciting and around the time collectors were chasing hot slabbed rookies.
Then it evolved to a repack of specific slabs of each sport (be it rookies, top hits, hot cards of the time etc.).
Brian Gray was a genius for this and all of the first few series were successful.

Will started Prospect Rush and created two series, both sold out.
Then he released draft, we all know how that went. But when it's all said and done, all 3 were successful.

All the above targeted certain hobby aspects or specific emerging trends in the hobby.

So my question is, what is the target audience for this product?

[edhou1]

Originally Posted by DetectiveChrome

So my question is, what is the target audience for this product?

Speaking only for myself, I am interested in the scarce cut autos (Beatles, Bruce Lee, etc). I realize most of these could be obtained on the 2ndary market so it really depends on the risk and price of entry. If the boxes were $400-500 with other 1/1s sprinkled in , I would be more inclined to try a box or case.

[SSsportsCARDS]

This thread is starting to hurt my brain.

[kakman]

And you're being forced to read them?