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Old 08-26-2015, 03:04 PM   #76
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Eli Manning
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The rest are all over rated lol
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Old 08-26-2015, 03:08 PM   #77
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Old 08-26-2015, 03:46 PM   #78
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Terry bradshaw. LOL.
Bradshaw won 4 Super Bowls... in an era when both QB's and their receivers could be hit, there were fewer domes and he called his own plays.

a top QB list isn't valid if he's not on it.

but no one expects a Ravens fan to understand football. if Ray Lewis had played for the Steelers, he wouldn't even be a top 10 LB in the team's history.
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Old 08-26-2015, 03:52 PM   #79
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Bradshaw won 4 Super Bowls... in an era when both QB's and their receivers could be hit, there were fewer domes and he called his own plays.

a top QB list isn't valid if he's not on it.

but no one expects a Ravens fan to understand football. if Ray Lewis had played for the Steelers, he wouldn't even be a top 10 LB in the team's history.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:32 PM   #81
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1. Ryan Leaf
2. JaMarcus Russell
3. Rick Mirer
4. Joey Harrington
5. Todd Marinovich
6. Akili Smith
7. David Carr
8. Tim Couch
9. Dave Klingler
10. Blaine Gabbert

Oh...wait...this was not the Top 10 Dumpster Fire QB's of all time.....well....crap...
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:38 PM   #82
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but no one expects a Ravens fan to understand football. if Ray Lewis had played for the Steelers, he wouldn't even be a top 10 LB in the team's history.
Something tells me you actually believe this. And if you do...well, there's some irony.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:39 PM   #83
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Bradshaw won 4 Super Bowls... in an era when both QB's and their receivers could be hit, there were fewer domes and he called his own plays.

a top QB list isn't valid if he's not on it.

but no one expects a Ravens fan to understand football. if Ray Lewis had played for the Steelers, he wouldn't even be a top 10 LB in the team's history.
Bradshaw won 4 SBS yes and he played very well in 2 of them getting him 2 SB MVPs

but his teams were stacked.

He was playing behind one of the best Centers in NFL history in Hofer Mike Webster, He had Hofers John Stallworth and Lynn Swann to throw to, Hofer Franco Harris to hand off to who if he didnt get that immaculate reception that would be 1 less SB for Bradhsaw, HOfer corner Mel Blount catching INTs up the ying yang, and you mentioned in an Era where QBS could get hit...

No one was getting hit more than opposing teams against the STeel Curtain front 4 featuring HOfer Mean Joe Green and All Pro LC greenwood not to mention they had 2 HOFER Linebackers in Jack Ham and Jack Lambert...

If you have that many Hall of Famers on one 1 team yeah youre gonna win some championships.. Not trying to say he was a bad QB by any means but he had some weapons and only posted a 70.8 QBR rating. Even with his weapons he only posted 2 3,000 yard + seasons his best being 3,714 while 50 QBS have thrown for over 4,000 yards some during his era. Plus he had 212 TDs and 210 INTS not exactly profficent.

Did he show up in the big game when it mattered... yes but so did Eli Manning with his 2 SB MVPS and many others.. doesnt mean they are one of the top 10 of all time.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:43 PM   #84
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Bradshaw won 4 SBS yes and he played very well in 2 of them getting him 2 SB MVPs

but his teams were stacked.

Did he show up in the big game when it mattered... yes but so did Eli Manning with his 2 SB MVPS and many others.. doesnt mean they are one of the top 10 of all time.
This sums up how I feel about Bradshaw as well.
He had what, 11 HOF teammates?
Russell Wilson is currently doing something similar... managing games while his amazing defense carries the team.
Trent Dilfer did it too... albeit nowhere close to either Bradshaw or Wilson
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:47 PM   #85
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There's little respect for Otto Graham, which is sad.

Also, I don't think I've seen a single post mention Sammy Baugh.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:49 PM   #86
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Anyone that doesn't have Brady as #1 is trolling or salty of Brady's dominance.

Even cool joe himself would have struggled against the Seattle D. Joe Montana is an argument for GOAT, but never played any epic defenses like that in the super bowl.

Plus, the difference between Brady and Montana's SB results is, Brady led the game winning drives and his defense ultimately failed to make the stops, while Montanas held up. So lol at the 4-0 over 4-2 argument, which is absurd anyways because making 6 SB's and winning 4 and is better than winning 4 and failing to get there otherwise.

Brady #1.
Get a clue buddy!! Coming from someone whose is not a fan of either(in fact I despise Tom Brady). Difference was that when all the marbles were at stake-Cool Joe drove his team 80+ yds for a game winning TD!!! Brady's drives stalled out in two of his so called SB wins and he had to rely on a clutch kicker to win, which by the way were not chip shots(45+yds on that stage, might as well have been 60. Lot of pressure!!) point is that if vinateri misses then Tom Shady joins Jim Kelly as a 4 time loser and if not for a boneheaded call(give the ball to Beast mode) then he is a 5 time loser!!! So get him of the pedastal!! He is a product of the system!!
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Proof being, that when Brady went down and cassell came in they rarely missed a beat and still won 11 games!!! Where is cassell now? Put Brady on those lions teams from the mid 2000's and he'll look like Joey Harrington!!
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:53 PM   #88
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Get a clue buddy!! Coming from someone whose is not a fan of either(in fact I despise Tom Brady). Difference was that when all the marbles were at stake-Cool Joe drove his team 80+ yds for a game winning TD!!! Brady's drives stalled out in two of his so called SB wins and he had to rely on a clutch kicker to win, which by the way were not chip shots(45+yds on that stage, might as well have been 60. Lot of pressure!!) point is that if vinateri misses then Tom Shady joins Jim Kelly as a 4 time loser and if not for a boneheaded call(give the ball to Beast mode) then he is a 5 time loser!!! So get him of the pedastal!! He is a product of the system!!
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MSU Green. Green for Envy???
No not really!! I love the fact that it was a spartan(plaxico burress) that ruined cry Brady's perfect season!! To bad so sad😭
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Do people not realize from 1950-57 the average rank of the Cleveland Browns in points allowed was 1.25. The average rank in yards allowed was 2.00. If you're going to discredit Bradshaw for having a great team around him you better do the same for Graham. If you're going to mention Graham in any list then you better mention Van Brocklin. You could easily argue that NVB was better than Graham.
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Old 08-26-2015, 05:06 PM   #91
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Sorry but Brady is #1 on the list. Yes Joe won 4 out of 4 super bowls we know but that's about it. Not to take anything away from him but Brady has surpassed him. Brady's stats wins playoff stats wins winning percentage conference championships division titles are far superior to Montana. And he's not even done yet. Several years ago the debate was Manning/Brady then he left Manning in the dust and then it was Montana/Brady and now he's surpassed him too. Manning is a great regular season quarterback but he's a choke artist in the playoffs I'm sorry but history had proven that. Brady is like a combination of Manning and Montana, he wins in the regular season with any combination of receivers, can read defenses and pick them apart and has ice water in his veins in the playoffs.
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Stalled out?

Uh....they ran the clock down to not leave time for the opposition.

And if not for two once in a lifetime plays Lady Brady is 6-0 and joins only himself as the greatest ever with a perfect season under his belt.

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Get a clue buddy!! Coming from someone whose is not a fan of either(in fact I despise Tom Brady). Difference was that when all the marbles were at stake-Cool Joe drove his team 80+ yds for a game winning TD!!! Brady's drives stalled out in two of his so called SB wins and he had to rely on a clutch kicker to win, which by the way were not chip shots(45+yds on that stage, might as well have been 60. Lot of pressure!!) point is that if vinateri misses then Tom Shady joins Jim Kelly as a 4 time loser and if not for a boneheaded call(give the ball to Beast mode) then he is a 5 time loser!!! So get him of the pedastal!! He is a product of the system!!
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Why run the clock out? Why not just shove it down their throat and punch it in the endzone? Did belicheat not have any footage of what to do?
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Do people not realize from 1950-57 the average rank of the Cleveland Browns in points allowed was 1.25. The average rank in yards allowed was 2.00. If you're going to discredit Bradshaw for having a great team around him you better do the same for Graham. If you're going to mention Graham in any list then you better mention Van Brocklin. You could easily argue that NVB was better than Graham.
Otto Graham is so difficult to get a read on just because he benefitted from so many things that aren't even possible in the modern NFL. The Browns weren't just loaded - they built their team in a way that could almost be considered a free for all, with no constraints of a draft or salary cap. He also benefitted from a unique stage of integration - black players were still extremely rare, but an extremely disproportionate number of the one who did played for the Browns. Not to mention the fact that the NFL was much less popular and the NFL absorbed a much smaller portion of the overall talent base than other leagues/sports.

Now, was he still great as an individual? Almost certainly, although the stats of other Browns QBs in the same era all the way through the 1960s raise some valid concerns. But holding his championships and stats at face value is ignoring a lot of essential context.
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This sums up how I feel about Bradshaw as well.
He had what, 11 HOF teammates?
Russell Wilson is currently doing something similar... managing games while his amazing defense carries the team.
Trent Dilfer did it too... albeit nowhere close to either Bradshaw or Wilson
Ever stop to think that, with how important the QB position is, that he didn't have something to do with at least those hall of fame WRs?
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Bradshaw won 4 SBS yes and he played very well in 2 of them getting him 2 SB MVPs

but his teams were stacked.

He was playing behind one of the best Centers in NFL history in Hofer Mike Webster, He had Hofers John Stallworth and Lynn Swann to throw to, Hofer Franco Harris to hand off to who if he didnt get that immaculate reception that would be 1 less SB for Bradhsaw, HOfer corner Mel Blount catching INTs up the ying yang, and you mentioned in an Era where QBS could get hit...

No one was getting hit more than opposing teams against the STeel Curtain front 4 featuring HOfer Mean Joe Green and All Pro LC greenwood not to mention they had 2 HOFER Linebackers in Jack Ham and Jack Lambert...

If you have that many Hall of Famers on one 1 team yeah youre gonna win some championships.. Not trying to say he was a bad QB by any means but he had some weapons and only posted a 70.8 QBR rating. Even with his weapons he only posted 2 3,000 yard + seasons his best being 3,714 while 50 QBS have thrown for over 4,000 yards some during his era. Plus he had 212 TDs and 210 INTS not exactly profficent.

Did he show up in the big game when it mattered... yes but so did Eli Manning with his 2 SB MVPS and many others.. doesnt mean they are one of the top 10 of all time.
While I am definitely not arguing your facts (except this one), the Steelers did not win the Super Bowl in the year of the Immaculate Reception. They lost to the Dolphins in the AFC Championship that year (1972).

Bradshaw may or may not be in everyone's top 10 (he's in mine for obvious reasons), he made Stallworth and Swann HOFers and vice versa.
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Ever stop to think that, with how important the QB position is, that he didn't have something to do with at least those hall of fame WRs?
Yes of course Bradshaw, Swann and Stallworth helped each other out tremendously. Swann is only in due to his post season play, too. I was giving more credit to their defense carrying them, because its considered one of if not the best all time.
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