2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade - Page 202

HadWayTooMuch · 07-02-2015, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by izybone

I honestly don't think he's hiding. If you want to contact him there are several ways to do so. He's just not posting. Hiding would be making no contact whatsoever, and not showing up at the National.

He gains nothing by posting in this thread. You guys would be all over him like a pack of hyenas. If he does post in this thread it will be with info pertaining to the product and not to respond to the vultures.

You are wrong. He would get something out of posting, no matter how much criticism (that is warranted) he receives.

Right now, the masses are looking at it this way. When he wanted us to buy his product, he was on here daily pimping it left and right as the greatest re-pack ever and how it will be different than others, etc.

Well he was wrong. Period the end. He put out a low quality product where 95% of the buyers will lose, which is not what he promised.

Whether he is or not, it looks like he's hiding. He took their money and ran. If he came on here and faced the music, maybe defended his position (or apologized,) it wouldn't make people necessarily forgive him but at least it wouldn't look like he took the money and ran.

I think he has made one single post since the release of this dreck. One single post. How many daily posts did he have leading up to the release?

I really can't see how anyone can defend his lack of appearances on the message boards with "what benefit would there be, all he's going to do is get attacked." He deserves to be attacked. With the promises he made, he has to be a man and step forward. If not, then he is exactly what everyone thinks he is!

izybone · 07-02-2015, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

You are wrong. He would get something out of posting, no matter how much criticism (that is warranted) he receives.

Right now, the masses are looking at it this way. When he wanted us to buy his product, he was on here daily pimping it left and right as the greatest re-pack ever and how it will be different than others, etc.

Well he was wrong. Period the end. He put out a low quality product where 95% of the buyers will lose, which is not what he promised.

Whether he is or not, it looks like he's hiding. He took their money and ran. If he came on here and faced the music, maybe defended his position (or apologized,) it wouldn't make people necessarily forgive him but at least it wouldn't look like he took the money and ran.

I think he has made one single post since the release of this dreck. One single post. How many daily posts did he have leading up to the release?

I really can't see how anyone can defend his lack of appearances on the message boards with "what benefit would there be, all he's going to do is get attacked." He deserves to be attacked. With the promises he ma

de, he has to be a man and step forward. If not, then he is exactly what everyone thinks he is!

I completely understand your stance, and how you feel about him and his product. You have let us all know REPEATEDLY.
If he's not here for you to attack, why do you stay and say the same thing over and over. We get it. We all get it. You are an LCS owner and Will deserves to be attacked.

And please show me these promises. I'd like to see them.

Another question for you. If you don't have any money invested, why do you feel like you were wronged? And why do you feel the need to save people from spending their own money and what they want. You're not our hobby superhero. People with that kind of disposable income don't need you to protect them. Contrary to your belief, people were not scammed.

A board member came on here, promoted a product, people bought into it, some are happy, some are not. That is all.

Maybe you, the superhero, should go to the National and talk to him...

HadWayTooMuch · 07-02-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by izybone

I completely understand your stance, and how you feel about him and his product. You have let us all know REPEATEDLY.
If he's not here for you to attack, why do you stay and say the same thing over and over. We get it. We all get it. You are an LCS owner and Will deserves to be attacked.

And please show me these promises. I'd like to see them.

Another question for you. If you don't have any money invested, why do you feel like you were wronged? And why do you feel the need to save people from spending their own money and what they want. You're not our hobby superhero. People with that kind of disposable income don't need you to protect them. Contrary to your belief, people were not scammed.

A board member came on here, promoted a product, people bought into it, some are happy, some are not. That is all.

Maybe you, the superhero, should go to the National and talk to him...

First of all, the only reason I am repeating myself is because you asked a question (again.) Every time someone comes on here and says, "why should he come on here to get attacked" I do indeed answer the exact same way.

Stop asking the question if you don't want an answer.

Why, as a non-buyer, do I feel the need to come on here? That's an easy one. Everytime a garbage product like this comes about it can potentially drive people away from cards. We are already suffering from the standpoint of younger people not collecting, can we really afford to lose older people too?

Reading the boards, a novice might think their new buddy Will is creating a great product to help them collect. Yeah, it's $2800, but their new buddy says it's going to be great making promise after promise and he's got transparency and he's going to stand behind his product.

Well he didn't produce a good product and he hasn't stood behind his product.

So if you don't want me to repeat myself, stop making the same poor statement about him having no benefit to come to this board again, after living here for months before the release of his product.

Show me happy people...one or two guys total out of everyone who wasted money on this dreck? Seriously...some are happy, some are not is what you say about Topps and Panini products where more than 1 or 2 total people do well when they break boxes and cases.

Boo · 07-02-2015, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

First of all, the only reason I am repeating myself is because you asked a question (again.) Every time someone comes on here and says, "why should he come on here to get attacked" I do indeed answer the exact same way.

Stop asking the question if you don't want an answer.

Why, as a non-buyer, do I feel the need to come on here? That's an easy one. Everytime a garbage product like this comes about it can potentially drive people away from cards. We are already suffering from the standpoint of younger people not collecting, can we really afford to lose older people too?

Reading the boards, a novice might think their new buddy Will is creating a great product to help them collect. Yeah, it's $2800, but their new buddy says it's going to be great making promise after promise and he's got transparency and he's going to stand behind his product.

Well he didn't produce a good product and he hasn't stood behind his product.

So if you don't want me to repeat myself, stop making the same poor statement about him having no benefit to come to this board again, after living here for months before the release of his product.

Show me happy people...one or two guys total out of everyone who wasted money on this dreck? Seriously...some are happy, some are not is what you say about Topps and Panini products where more than 1 or 2 total people do well when they break boxes and cases.

You do understand that this is a group break product, right? I got in two GB, one I had 3 slots at $29/slot and came out with an orange auto worth about $110 = win. Second break was a team break $275, had the Nationals and came out with a Harper Aflac auto 9 = win. GB product, not a personal case product.

BTW, I would be willing to bet that he will be back at some point. I don't believe he has run away with his profit.

HadWayTooMuch · 07-02-2015, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

You do understand that this is a group break product, right? I got in two GB, one I had 3 slots at $29/slot and came out with an orange auto worth about $110 = win. Second break was a team break $275, had the Nationals and came out with a Harper Aflac auto 9 = win. GB product, not a personal case product.

BTW, I would be willing to bet that he will be back at some point. I don't believe he has run away with his profit.

We can discuss group break if you wish. How many people in a break? How many ended up with a good card? How many received even close to their initial investment back?

Do a group break of ANY product and one or two people will do well.

It's going to take rocks the size of a mountain to come back here after vanishing when things went bad and not having the guts to face the music.

Boo · 07-02-2015, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

We can discuss group break if you wish. How many people in a break? How many ended up with a good card? How many received even close to their initial investment back?

Do a group break of ANY product and one or two people will do well.
It's going to take rocks the size of a mountain to come back here after vanishing when things went bad and not having the guts to face the music.

Exactly! So go and trash all the other products as well!!

HadWayTooMuch · 07-02-2015, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Exactly! So go and trash all the other products as well!!

Boxes and cases have winners and losers. This product has 99% losers. No need to trash any other products. At least some people hit well. In this, I am confident no more than 1 or 2 cases for $8000 brings a positive return. Other products are not brutal like that.

HadWayTooMuch · 07-02-2015, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Exactly! So go and trash all the other products as well!!

Oh, and I forgot this. Topps & Panini reps don't come on here daily before release telling us how great of a product it is and how their buddy is going to take care of them, only to vanish upon release when it's realize he was full of crap the entire time!

izybone · 07-02-2015, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

First of all, the only reason I am repeating myself is because you asked a question (again.) Every time someone comes on here and says, "why should he come on here to get attacked" I do indeed answer the exact same way.

Stop asking the question if you don't want an answer.

Why, as a non-buyer, do I feel the need to come on here? That's an easy one. Everytime a garbage product like this comes about it can potentially drive people away from cards. We are already suffering from the standpoint of younger people not collecting, can we really afford to lose older people too?

Reading the boards, a novice might think their new buddy Will is creating a great product to help them collect. Yeah, it's $2800, but their new buddy says it's going to be great making promise after promise and he's got transparency and he's going to stand behind his product.

Well he didn't produce a good product and he hasn't stood behind his product.

So if you don't want me to repeat myself, stop making the same poor statement about him having no benefit to come to this board again, after living here for months before the release of his product.

Show me happy people...one or two guys total out of everyone who wasted money on this dreck? Seriously...some are happy, some are not is what you say about Topps and Panini products where more than 1 or 2 total people do well when they break boxes and cases.

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

Boxes and cases have winners and losers. This product has 99% losers. No need to trash any other products. At least some people hit well. In this, I am confident no more than 1 or 2 cases for $8000 brings a positive return. Other products are not brutal like that.

Exaggerate much?

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Originally Posted by Boo

You do understand that this is a group break product, right? I got in two GB, one I had 3 slots at $29/slot and came out with an orange auto worth about $110 = win. Second break was a team break $275, had the Nationals and came out with a Harper Aflac auto 9 = win. GB product, not a personal case product.

BTW, I would be willing to bet that he will be back at some point. I don't believe he has run away with his profit.

I'm happy and this guy is happy. There's 2 right there.

So dramatic.

The maddest most disgruntled ones are the ones that spent not a dime on this product. Why is that?

HadWayTooMuch · 07-02-2015, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by izybone

Exaggerate much?

I'm happy and this guy is happy. There's 2 right there.

So dramatic.

The maddest most disgruntled ones are the ones that spent not a dime on this product. Why is that?

I will repeat myself. This product could potentially turn people away from card collecting. We can't afford to lose any more people.

A lot of people weren't ripped off by Haiku yet they are still pissed at him. Throw in some beats and remove the actual theft and it's not much different. Both befriended people on the boards with the intention of reaching into their pockets. The only difference is, Haiku literally stole, PR lied to get people's money legally. And PR didn't give anyone any beats...

oldgoldy97 · 07-02-2015, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

Boxes and cases have winners and losers. This product has 99% losers. No need to trash any other products. At least some people hit well. In this, I am confident no more than 1 or 2 cases for $8000 brings a positive return. Other products are not brutal like that.

Every time I see you post, I think of this guy

death2redemptions · 07-02-2015, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooftop

Halfway thru, somebody figures out that ML was behind PR. Game changer. Now, nothing is for sell. It turned into self promoting, 'look at what I just hit'. Everyone knows the rest of the story from here.

This comment right here just proves your ignorance and tells us you are just making up crap as you go. This is his third release of PR and it's been a well known fact around here that ML created PR years ago.

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

Maybe??? I think it's more likely Haiku comes back here with "beats for everyone" than PR ever posts here again.

How can he justify posting again after putting out this garbage and then disappearing? What could he possibly say? "My internet was out last summer but I'm back to break cases of 2015 Draft?"

I don't know why you don't think he'll be back. He received this same exact criticism from his other releases and he has come back each time. What I can't understand is the fact that it was well documented that his previous releases were crap but people keep coming back to buy it again. In fact, I wouldn't put it past him to put out another product once the tension from this one blows over...and for whatever reason people will still buy it.

sigmachi · 07-02-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

You do understand that this is a group break product, right? I got in two GB, one I had 3 slots at $29/slot and came out with an orange auto worth about $110 = win. Second break was a team break $275, had the Nationals and came out with a Harper Aflac auto 9 = win. GB product, not a personal case product.

BTW, I would be willing to bet that he will be back at some point. I don't believe he has run away with his profit.

I spent $275 on that same group break and came away with a redemption for a Luis Severino auto= loss

trixstar · 07-02-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Exactly! So go and trash all the other products as well!!

People bash Panini and Topps on here constantly.

Boo · 07-02-2015, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

People bash Panini and Topps on here constantly.

Not 200 pages worth...and no, I'm not changing my settings!!

Boo · 07-02-2015, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmachi

I spent $275 on that same group break and came away with a redemption for a Luis Severino auto= loss

Some people are lucky, some just suck.

Just kidding of course!!

popmaz · 07-02-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I will repeat myself. This product could potentially turn people away from card collecting. We can't afford to lose any more people.

I am not so sure that "collectors" are the ones buying this product.

Bob Loblaw · 07-02-2015, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by death2redemptions

I don't know why you don't think he'll be back. He received this same exact criticism from his other releases and he has come back each time. What I can't understand is the fact that it was well documented that his previous releases were crap but people keep coming back to buy it again. In fact, I wouldn't put it past him to put out another product once the tension from this one blows over...and for whatever reason people will still buy it.

He received it on a much smaller scale. This is a TON of money involved in this product as well as a ton of publicity, as well as this thread.

People will never, eeeeeeeever forget the name . . . ....Prospect Rush.

izybone · 07-02-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I will repeat myself. This product could potentially turn people away from card collecting. We can't afford to lose any more people.

A lot of people weren't ripped off by Haiku yet they are still pissed at him. Throw in some beats and remove the actual theft and it's not much different. Both befriended people on the boards with the intention of reaching into their pockets. The only difference is, Haiku literally stole, PR lied to get people's money legally. And PR didn't give anyone any beats...

And again, exaggerate much?

Is PR the devil? Maybe a Nazi? Ponzi?

Addison · 07-02-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

He received it on a much smaller scale. This is a TON of money involved in this product as well as a ton of publicity, as well as this thread.

People will never, eeeeeeeever forget the name . . . ....Prospect Rush.

Who........?

illadelf · 07-02-2015, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I will repeat myself. This product could potentially turn people away from card collecting. We can't afford to lose any more people.

A lot of people weren't ripped off by Haiku yet they are still pissed at him. Throw in some beats and remove the actual theft and it's not much different. Both befriended people on the boards with the intention of reaching into their pockets. The only difference is, Haiku literally stole, PR lied to get people's money legally. And PR didn't give anyone any beats...

At this point, I think you're turning as many people away from collecting as this product...

chezball · 07-02-2015, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by illadelf

At this point, I think you're turning as many people away from collecting as this product...

It's his mission to make everyone aware of what this product is,110 times.
110 might be on the low side.

RobDerhak · 07-02-2015, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by illadelf

At this point, I think you're turning as many people away from collecting as this product...

Beat me to it

I can imagine the hubris it must take to think what you have to say is so important it must be said over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over again

oldgoldy97 · 07-02-2015, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RobDerhak

Beat me to it

I can imagine the hubris it must take to think what you have to say is so important it must be said over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over again

You can say that again.