Who's buying these!?

UltimateDeron · 05-20-2015, 02:34 AM

I've never even heard of Johnny Moore. What makes his 1986 Fleer card so hard to grade? I don't understand how dozens of bidders were willing to drop thousands on this card.

For the price the high bidder paid for this card, he could have bought a Jordan 86 Fleer PSA 10! A JORDAN!

1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore 76 PSA 10 Gem Mint PWCC | eBay

stevenhsu · 05-20-2015, 02:59 AM

Gosh.....! Is this for real!?

I wonder if I can feel anything having it in my hand LOL

k13 · 05-20-2015, 03:36 AM

Who's Jordan?

ninjacookies · 05-20-2015, 05:12 AM

PWCC: WHERE NEW RECORD HIGHS EACH DAY, GUARANTEED!

I don't even think Moore's own mother would pay that much for that card...even if forced to at gunpoint.

SPauthentic84 · 05-20-2015, 05:26 AM

I know it has something to do where Moore was on the uncut sheet. I guess it is a super hard grade.

jt16 · 05-20-2015, 07:45 AM

There was an issue with this card having a white ink dot by the name. It is one of the hardest cards to find in mint condition. Probably extremely low population.

Still no excuse for 13k.

byronscott4ever · 05-20-2015, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt16

There was an issue with this card having a white ink dot by the name. It is one of the hardest cards to find in mint condition. Probably extremely low population.

Still no excuse for 13k.

There are a few cards in this set that seem to have lower high grade numbers. When you factor in the popularity of the set, this happens. I wish I had some nice ones to sell!

XARZY · 05-20-2015, 08:31 AM

Hazenuts is the resident registry expert. He should know.

xavieronly1 · 05-20-2015, 08:37 AM

Beckett News » Hobby Q&A: California collector builds BGS 9.5 1986-87 Fleer set, opts to auction

Which cards were the easiest/toughest to land?
The easiest card to land for me was the Charles Barkley. I was lucky enough to find several clean examples of this card over the years and had two grade out Gem Mint for me. The toughest card was probably card No. 76 Johnny Moore. Almost all of them have two really nasty print defects on them. For the longest time, this was the toughest card in the set and for a while I was seeing Gem Mint examples selling for more than the Michael Jordan Rookie.

indyguy · 05-20-2015, 08:40 AM

I would like to know how that got a 10 with what appears to be whiting around the corners and edges of the corners.

groundsupport · 05-20-2015, 08:42 AM

I remember Beckett Magazine doing an article on the 86 87 Jeff Malone PSA 10 calling it the $10,000 dollar card.

And that was 8-10 years ago.

the mesiah · 05-20-2015, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indyguy

I would like to know how that got a 10 with what appears to be whiting around the corners and edges of the corners.

Plus the centering right to left looks off to me,people grading these must grade them 10's for friends To make quick cash.

bryun · 05-20-2015, 09:25 AM

centering is totally off... front and back, and those lower corners are not gem. nice card though. Clearly someone got excited at the lack of print marks, and graded with a bias.

Stackfan · 05-20-2015, 10:21 AM

Damn... you probably can't get 1$ for the raw version.

DajuanWagner · 05-20-2015, 10:25 AM

I know who's NOT buying these!!!!!!

xavieronly1 · 05-20-2015, 10:59 AM

PSA should start to make these case with diamond. The $0.50 card and a cheap plastic do not make the cut.

wickedliquids · 05-20-2015, 11:25 AM

The card is clearly not worth that much; what people paid for was that plastic thing with the numbered tag surrounding the card.

I recently picked up a Carlos Correa blue paper card in a PSA 7 case. I got the card and it doesn't look like a psa 7 to me, much higher really. But then I bought it for the card, not the grade.

byronscott4ever · 05-20-2015, 11:27 AM

Registry people: Buy the grade, not the card
Everyone else: Buy the card, not the grade

05-20-2015, 02:34 AM	#1
UltimateDeron Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 9,924	Who's buying these!? I've never even heard of Johnny Moore. What makes his 1986 Fleer card so hard to grade? I don't understand how dozens of bidders were willing to drop thousands on this card. For the price the high bidder paid for this card, he could have bought a Jordan 86 Fleer PSA 10! A JORDAN! 1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore 76 PSA 10 Gem Mint PWCC \| eBay __________________ Collection: https://www.flickr.com/photos/150426280@N07/ Instagram: @gem.city.sportscards

05-20-2015, 05:26 AM	#5
SPauthentic84 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA Posts: 11,317	I know it has something to do where Moore was on the uncut sheet. I guess it is a super hard grade. __________________ Follow me on Instagram: Spauthentic1

05-20-2015, 07:45 AM	#6
jt16 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,093	There was an issue with this card having a white ink dot by the name. It is one of the hardest cards to find in mint condition. Probably extremely low population. Still no excuse for 13k. __________________ http://s1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/jt1616/

05-20-2015, 08:31 AM	#8
XARZY Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Miami Beach, FL Posts: 8,729 Xarzy	Hazenuts is the resident registry expert. He should know. __________________ Retired From The Hobby IG: @xarzy @morbidhype

05-20-2015, 08:37 AM	#9
xavieronly1 Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 13,006	Beckett News » Hobby Q&A: California collector builds BGS 9.5 1986-87 Fleer set, opts to auction Which cards were the easiest/toughest to land? The easiest card to land for me was the Charles Barkley. I was lucky enough to find several clean examples of this card over the years and had two grade out Gem Mint for me. The toughest card was probably card No. 76 Johnny Moore. Almost all of them have two really nasty print defects on them. For the longest time, this was the toughest card in the set and for a while I was seeing Gem Mint examples selling for more than the Michael Jordan Rookie. __________________ Instagram IG: xavieronly1

05-20-2015, 02:59 AM	#2
stevenhsu Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Jersey & Taiwan Posts: 657	Gosh.....! Is this for real!? I wonder if I can feel anything having it in my hand LOL

05-20-2015, 03:36 AM	#3
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	Who's Jordan?

05-20-2015, 05:12 AM	#4
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,958	PWCC: WHERE NEW RECORD HIGHS EACH DAY, GUARANTEED! I don't even think Moore's own mother would pay that much for that card...even if forced to at gunpoint.

05-20-2015, 08:40 AM	#10
indyguy Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,512 arndru indyguyat	I would like to know how that got a 10 with what appears to be whiting around the corners and edges of the corners.

05-20-2015, 08:42 AM	#11
groundsupport Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 16,234 groundsupportse	I remember Beckett Magazine doing an article on the 86 87 Jeff Malone PSA 10 calling it the $10,000 dollar card. And that was 8-10 years ago.

05-20-2015, 09:25 AM	#13
bryun Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Silverdale, WA Posts: 1,773 bwalde bryun	centering is totally off... front and back, and those lower corners are not gem. nice card though. Clearly someone got excited at the lack of print marks, and graded with a bias. __________________ Always looking for: Topps Rainbow Foil Parallels! Edgar Martinez cards! Scarce Jerome Harrison cards.

05-20-2015, 10:21 AM	#14
Stackfan Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 3,505	Damn... you probably can't get 1$ for the raw version.

05-20-2015, 10:25 AM	#15
DajuanWagner Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 7,425	I know who's NOT buying these!!!!!!

05-20-2015, 10:59 AM	#16
xavieronly1 Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 13,006	PSA should start to make these case with diamond. The $0.50 card and a cheap plastic do not make the cut. __________________ Instagram IG: xavieronly1

05-20-2015, 11:25 AM	#17
wickedliquids Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,192 marvjung	The card is clearly not worth that much; what people paid for was that plastic thing with the numbered tag surrounding the card. I recently picked up a Carlos Correa blue paper card in a PSA 7 case. I got the card and it doesn't look like a psa 7 to me, much higher really. But then I bought it for the card, not the grade. __________________ *My cards are ALL valuable!!! They just don't know it yet!* Still Looking for 2009 Goodwin Champions Buffalo Bill Cody Relic and Lyndon Baines Johnson Relic!

05-20-2015, 11:27 AM	#18
byronscott4ever Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11,394	Registry people: Buy the grade, not the card Everyone else: Buy the card, not the grade