what , the , f , do i do with this mess .....

Insidespica · 11-24-2014, 02:45 AM

Bought a decent size lot from a member on here
no clue what to do , got this in the mail today.

nice empty envelope ....

and this BS on the back of the package it is in ....

dhcollecting · 11-24-2014, 02:52 AM

ebay might be able to help but the seller might lose his money.

Insidespica · 11-24-2014, 02:56 AM

was not ebay, was on this site....
no clue what to do.
some nice cards too missing.....

AFarCry · 11-24-2014, 03:09 AM

So basically your cards got Jacked, and they stuck that generic 'Sorry your mail was damaged' slip in there? That's basically robbery without consequence.

GOWIFB · 11-24-2014, 03:47 AM

All you can really do is request a refund and if its not given open up a paypal claim. Unfortunate for the seller if it had some nice cards in there that he didn't insure as he will now be SOL

Insidespica · 11-24-2014, 05:01 AM

Yes it looks as though the bottom of the envelope was just straight up ripped open.

And yes I got a nice little "FU" bag from the usps, what a kick in the junk... bad enough they are thieves, they also send me my empty package with a /..... duh im sorry note .....

M4YH3M1 · 11-24-2014, 05:13 AM

Sorry to see that happen.

In Australia, they usually won't deliver busted mail, and when you ask the post office, all you get is someone shrugging their shoulders with a dumb look on their face.

ricksam · 11-24-2014, 07:26 AM

this seems to spike durung holiday season .. as if postal employees know there might be more goodies in packages this time of the year

base set · 11-24-2014, 09:01 AM

s/n on any of the cards?

shrevecity · 11-24-2014, 09:20 AM

The seller is responsible for the cards getting to you even in cases where the USPS damages the packages. They are the ones who contacted with the USPS for sending the package on their behalf. Paypal considers this to be SNAD and will force the seller to refund. Ebay would also say the seller is to refund. The bad part is to get the refund you may be forced to return the empty package.

kinar · 11-24-2014, 09:21 AM

its a shitty situation to say the least. However, IMO, it is a risk of SELLING, not a risk of buying. It is the sellers responsibility to deliver the product to you. Until it is in your possession, they need to pony up the refund.

cyndeeg3 · 11-24-2014, 09:28 AM

that sucks - no one will win...

I wonder why the package doesn't look like it was sealed normally, it doesn't look like it was folded over very far to seal and then is ripped by what looks like a weedwhacker???

mikmouse24 · 11-24-2014, 10:06 AM

is there a way to file a claim? or was this first class i couldnt tell. should be some sort of insurance/etc if priority. i always insure- no matter what-

natespringfield · 11-24-2014, 10:06 AM

insurance on the package?

Bhenry4 · 11-24-2014, 10:07 AM

Looks like it got wet..happens all the time. That's why people tape all the edges. No telling what happened to the cards.

XL5 · 11-24-2014, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhenry4

Looks like it got wet..happens all the time. That's why people tape all the edges. No telling what happened to the cards.

Yeah, I always ship in a poly envelope over the bubble mailer to avoid that kind of thing.

Cards probably ended up on a sorting room floor and either trashed or put in a pile for a later sale at a recovery auction.

shrevecity · 11-24-2014, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikmouse24

is there a way to file a claim? or was this first class i couldnt tell. should be some sort of insurance/etc if priority. i always insure- no matter what-

Insurance for the most part is a joke. they almost always find a way to get out of pying. I once had a package get run over by a vehicle had a tire track on it the insurance was declined because "the item was not packed well enough to withstand normal handing" Since when is running over a package with a vehicle normal handling?

Even if it was insured the insurance is for the sellers protection, they are obligated to refund the buyer regardless o if insurance pays or not.

Insidespica · 11-24-2014, 04:36 PM

No insurance

I feel super bad

Serial numbers on most of the cards so will be keeping an eye out on the bay .

The envelope was not wet. The paper is normal the bottom is ripped off, the EXACT way I open packages filled with cards since usually we all tape the crap out of these things.

I 99% believe RICKSAM
Tis' the season to be a scumbag thief ....

shaner1 · 11-24-2014, 05:10 PM

Oh man....I think you may be SOL from a standpoint of ever receiving the contents. Sorry you had to go through that BS. Here's my experience with USPS and stolen mail
Check this out:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...ase-1-5-a.html

Still searching for the Rubio!

Dbott1234 · 11-24-2014, 08:20 PM

This seems to be happening A LOT lately. This is about the 6th one I've seen of these in the last few weeks and I'm not on here but a few times a week.

Saraste · 11-24-2014, 08:40 PM

I had the same thing happen to me a couple weeks back with a lower end football card except I was the seller. The envelope was sent back to me. I emailed the buyer with a picture of the damaged envelope and let him know what happened and promptly refund the buyer. He wasn't happy but could see by the tracking that I did what I was supposed to. Fortunately the card was under $10 so it was not a big loss on my end. Unfortunately for you OP, it is a big lose-lose for both you and the seller and there is little, if any recourse.

Insidespica · 11-24-2014, 08:44 PM

Yeah , insurance is definitely a for sure thing transactions over 50 bucks these days

It sucks I miss out on my cards especially since one was a lower number PC card

And I feel terrible for the position the seller is in. Although insurance should have been purchased. We should still expect some kind decent service we pay for, especially from the government ...... well on second thought, scratch the decent service from a government entity remark ....

MetDude · 11-24-2014, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insidespica

Yeah , insurance is definitely a for sure thing transactions over 50 bucks these days

It sucks I miss out on my cards especially since one was a lower number PC card

And I feel terrible for the position the seller is in. Although insurance should have been purchased. We should still expect some kind decent service we pay for, especially from the government ...... well on second thought, scratch the decent service from a government entity remark ....

I think that volume sellers have determined the cost of insurance outweighs their annual loss rate and assume the occasional hit.
Hopefully the rest goes far more smoothly for you than whatever happened to that envelope.

Insidespica · 11-25-2014, 01:07 AM

Thanks for the kind words all hopefully the seller and i can get something accomplished, you know , if this crap happened in any other country offside this continent .... and austrailia .... the s h it would hit the fan ....... and we just take it . what a shame

WalterAZ31 · 11-25-2014, 10:06 AM

I'm not saying this would be a solution to every time this happens, but in my opinion, I wouldn't ever ship anything with eBay name on packages like this

Just makes it easier targets for clowns to steal, they see the eBay name and if they have any clue on what kind of stuff is mailed like that......boom

11-24-2014, 02:45 AM	#1
Insidespica Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 394 intrepidsoul	what , the , f , do i do with this mess ..... Bought a decent size lot from a member on here no clue what to do , got this in the mail today. nice empty envelope .... and this BS on the back of the package it is in ....

11-24-2014, 02:52 AM	#2
dhcollecting Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,497 dhsportscards	ebay might be able to help but the seller might lose his money. __________________ Collecting Tony Gwynn High End and Bat Barrel and Logoman cards

11-24-2014, 03:09 AM	#4
AFarCry Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 957 Aworldabovetherest AFarCry	So basically your cards got Jacked, and they stuck that generic 'Sorry your mail was damaged' slip in there? That's basically robbery without consequence. __________________ Attempting to be a Brett Lawrie SUPERcollector. Help me out guys!!! Gotta recount all the cards again to repost stats. It's A LOT though. Help me get more! 95% done 2013 Topps Tribute Blue Refractor base set.

11-24-2014, 03:47 AM	#5
GOWIFB Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 5,903	All you can really do is request a refund and if its not given open up a paypal claim. Unfortunate for the seller if it had some nice cards in there that he didn't insure as he will now be SOL __________________ Collecting 2007 Sweet Spot Classic Patches and anything Wisconsin! My photobucket: http://s451.photobucket.com/albums/qq239/GOWIFB/

11-24-2014, 05:13 AM	#7
M4YH3M1 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 2,737 m4yh3m1	Sorry to see that happen. In Australia, they usually won't deliver busted mail, and when you ask the post office, all you get is someone shrugging their shoulders with a dumb look on their face. __________________ Currently Collecting: 12-13 Upper Deck Exquisite Dual Autos Always Collecting: The Reignman - Shawn Kemp

11-24-2014, 02:56 AM	#3
Insidespica Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 394 intrepidsoul	was not ebay, was on this site.... no clue what to do. some nice cards too missing.....

11-24-2014, 05:01 AM	#6
Insidespica Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 394 intrepidsoul	Yes it looks as though the bottom of the envelope was just straight up ripped open. And yes I got a nice little "FU" bag from the usps, what a kick in the junk... bad enough they are thieves, they also send me my empty package with a /..... duh im sorry note .....

11-24-2014, 07:26 AM	#8
ricksam Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: USA Posts: 5,791 ricksam	this seems to spike durung holiday season .. as if postal employees know there might be more goodies in packages this time of the year __________________ Way behind to respond to pm deal offers FS/T: sketch cards, GCs \| USA, comc addr, pp ONLY W: http://cardbucket.blogspot.com/p/wants.html \| PC: HOFers

11-24-2014, 09:01 AM	#9
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,567	s/n on any of the cards?

11-24-2014, 09:20 AM	#10
shrevecity Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 28,059	The seller is responsible for the cards getting to you even in cases where the USPS damages the packages. They are the ones who contacted with the USPS for sending the package on their behalf. Paypal considers this to be SNAD and will force the seller to refund. Ebay would also say the seller is to refund. The bad part is to get the refund you may be forced to return the empty package.

11-24-2014, 09:21 AM	#11
kinar Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,606 kinar kinar	its a shitty situation to say the least. However, IMO, it is a risk of SELLING, not a risk of buying. It is the sellers responsibility to deliver the product to you. Until it is in your possession, they need to pony up the refund.

11-24-2014, 09:28 AM	#12
cyndeeg3 Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 2,775 cyndeeg3 cyndeeg3	that sucks - no one will win... I wonder why the package doesn't look like it was sealed normally, it doesn't look like it was folded over very far to seal and then is ripped by what looks like a weedwhacker???

11-24-2014, 10:06 AM	#13
mikmouse24 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Missouri Posts: 596 thenewmick24	is there a way to file a claim? or was this first class i couldnt tell. should be some sort of insurance/etc if priority. i always insure- no matter what-

11-24-2014, 10:06 AM	#14
natespringfield Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Midwest Posts: 893 natespringfield	insurance on the package? __________________ Looking for RAINBOW help on 2007 Bowman Chrome Aramis Ramirez - need the RED and ORANGE

11-24-2014, 10:07 AM	#15
Bhenry4 Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Charm City Posts: 13,996 bhendu1	Looks like it got wet..happens all the time. That's why people tape all the edges. No telling what happened to the cards. __________________ Viva John Ryno

11-24-2014, 04:36 PM	#18
Insidespica Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 394 intrepidsoul	No insurance I feel super bad Serial numbers on most of the cards so will be keeping an eye out on the bay . The envelope was not wet. The paper is normal the bottom is ripped off, the EXACT way I open packages filled with cards since usually we all tape the crap out of these things. I 99% believe RICKSAM Tis' the season to be a scumbag thief ....

11-24-2014, 05:10 PM	#19
shaner1 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FL Posts: 3,427 sher9475	Oh man....I think you may be SOL from a standpoint of ever receiving the contents. Sorry you had to go through that BS. Here's my experience with USPS and stolen mail Check this out: http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...ase-1-5-a.html Still searching for the Rubio! __________________ Minnesota Timberwolves, Twins, and Vikings!

11-24-2014, 08:20 PM	#20
Dbott1234 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 3,415 drewbutt9	This seems to be happening A LOT lately. This is about the 6th one I've seen of these in the last few weeks and I'm not on here but a few times a week. __________________ http://s1050.photobucket.com/albums/s409/dbottalico/Baseball%20Cards/ Instagram: WallStreetCards

11-24-2014, 08:40 PM	#21
Saraste Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Sound Asleep Posts: 19,651 kesscards	I had the same thing happen to me a couple weeks back with a lower end football card except I was the seller. The envelope was sent back to me. I emailed the buyer with a picture of the damaged envelope and let him know what happened and promptly refund the buyer. He wasn't happy but could see by the tracking that I did what I was supposed to. Fortunately the card was under $10 so it was not a big loss on my end. Unfortunately for you OP, it is a big lose-lose for both you and the seller and there is little, if any recourse. __________________ The strange looks I get from customers at shows when they are selling and I ask for NASCAR! Which is the most accurate voice to read posts in: Saraste as a corpse - oldgoldy97 12/19/23

11-24-2014, 08:44 PM	#22
Insidespica Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 394 intrepidsoul	Yeah , insurance is definitely a for sure thing transactions over 50 bucks these days It sucks I miss out on my cards especially since one was a lower number PC card And I feel terrible for the position the seller is in. Although insurance should have been purchased. We should still expect some kind decent service we pay for, especially from the government ...... well on second thought, scratch the decent service from a government entity remark ....

11-25-2014, 01:07 AM	#24
Insidespica Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 394 intrepidsoul	Thanks for the kind words all hopefully the seller and i can get something accomplished, you know , if this crap happened in any other country offside this continent .... and austrailia .... the s h it would hit the fan ....... and we just take it . what a shame

11-25-2014, 10:06 AM	#25
WalterAZ31 Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 8,268	I'm not saying this would be a solution to every time this happens, but in my opinion, I wouldn't ever ship anything with eBay name on packages like this Just makes it easier targets for clowns to steal, they see the eBay name and if they have any clue on what kind of stuff is mailed like that......boom