Another probstein thread....

cnewby · 08-08-2014, 12:47 PM

So here is the current listing...
1993 SP Foil 279 Derek Jeter Rookie RC Yankees Signed BGS JSA Authentic Auto | eBay

And here is the "SOLD" listing from 6/26
1993 SP Foil 279 Derek Jeter Rookie RC Yankees Signed BGS JSA Authentic Auto | eBay

I'm not saying Probstein did the shilling, but they sure did relist it at a similar BIN price. This is why I almost always just move along when I see probstein as the seller. Thoughts?

Bob Loblaw · 08-08-2014, 01:09 PM

Is it not possible that the high bidder didn't pay?

enyouartist · 08-08-2014, 01:10 PM

I see PROBSTEIN, and don't bother bidding.

cnewby · 08-08-2014, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Is it not possible that the high bidder didn't pay?

definitely possible, but this is not an isolated event. And if a buyer truely did not pay, why would ther relist it EVEN HIGHER as a BIN? Wouldn't you think they'd do another auction?

WCTYSON · 08-08-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

So here is the current listing...
1993 SP Foil 279 Derek Jeter Rookie RC Yankees Signed BGS JSA Authentic Auto | eBay

And here is the "SOLD" listing from 6/26
1993 SP Foil 279 Derek Jeter Rookie RC Yankees Signed BGS JSA Authentic Auto | eBay

I'm not saying Probstein did the shilling, but they sure did relist it at a similar BIN price. This is why I almost always just move along when I see probstein as the seller. Thoughts?

Que the....................he is just the consignment seller.

He certainly is looking the other way when it happens.

cnewby · 08-08-2014, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WCTYSON

Que the....................he is just the consignment seller.

He certainly is looking the other way when it happens.

WHAT!?!?!? no Jeterz?

WCTYSON · 08-08-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

WHAT!?!?!? no Jeterz?

Sorry about that..............................WWJD?

jbhofmann · 08-08-2014, 01:26 PM

I despise shilling as much as the next person but think it through a little. The guy is listing THOUSANDS of items and is suppose to police suspicious activity?

If you were in his shoes would you hire a cyber crimes expert to monitor your auctions at all times? Of course you wouldn't.

This horse isn't dead, it's already decomposed.

trixstar · 08-08-2014, 01:26 PM

So for the 8 millionth time, people that send their items into Probstein or PWCC to sell bid on their own items.

philhjr1 · 08-08-2014, 01:26 PM

this just in, probstein officially changes ebay handle to shillstein.........

WCTYSON · 08-08-2014, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jbhofmann

I despise shilling as much as the next person but think it through a little. The guy is listing THOUSANDS of items and is suppose to police suspicious activity?

If you were in his shoes would you hire a cyber crimes expert to monitor your auctions at all times? Of course you wouldn't.

This horse isn't dead, it's already decomposed.

Ignorance, if that is the case again, absolves you of any responsibility? Interesting. Please, tell me more.

GB5HOF · 08-08-2014, 01:30 PM

Speaking of Probstein...anyone know why his booth at the National was packed up by 10 AM Saturday?

Prospect Rush · 08-08-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GB5HOF

Speaking of Probstein...anyone know why his booth at the National was packed up by 10 AM Saturday?

He was sick of listening to all the shilling accusations.

cnewby · 08-08-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

So for the 8 millionth time, people that send their items into Probstein or PWCC to sell bid on their own items.

fot the 8,000,001th time, this may be true, but those same people didn't relist it for $6 more than the allegedly "shilled" price.

GB5HOF · 08-08-2014, 01:34 PM

Haha...perfect.

He's sold stuff for me in the past...I just wanted to meet him in person.

JohnRyno · 08-08-2014, 01:34 PM

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sjorgen5 · 08-08-2014, 01:41 PM

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GIFSoup

I'll high five to that gif

ETSC · 08-08-2014, 01:43 PM

Similar thread on another forum concerning his vintage listings.

dasiegel · 08-08-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GB5HOF

Speaking of Probstein...anyone know why his booth at the National was packed up by 10 AM Saturday?

i saw that too, weird

jbhofmann · 08-08-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WCTYSON

Ignorance, if that is the case again, absolves you of any responsibility? Interesting. Please, tell me more.

When a WalMart driver is involved in killing an innocent man, you must make the choice to patronize the store or not. As tragic as that is, I'm guessing it has not hurt their bottom line. As ridiculous as that comparison is, it's really at the heart of this debate. If you don't want to deal with Probstein, then don't. I've never sold anything through the man, so I have zero interest in it.

Secondly, every auction in history is filled with shills. Go to a farm machinery auction and watch millionaires bid just to spite the other guy. Sheriff auctions of property are filled with flippers who will bid just to raise the price on another flipper.

Again, choose to do business with him or not. Choose to buy Nike's made in Sri Lanka or not.

CasperMcLovin · 08-08-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by enyouartist

I see PROBSTEIN, and don't bother bidding.

Same for me. I assume zero chance of winning.

WCTYSON · 08-08-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jbhofmann

When a WalMart driver is involved in killing an innocent man, you must make the choice to patronize the store or not. As tragic as that is, I'm guessing it has not hurt their bottom line. As ridiculous as that comparison is, it's really at the heart of this debate. If you don't want to deal with Probstein, then don't. I've never sold anything through the man, so I have zero interest in it.

Secondly, every auction in history is filled with shills. Go to a farm machinery auction and watch millionaires bid just to spite the other guy. Sheriff auctions of property are filled with flippers who will bid just to raise the price on another flipper.

Again, choose to do business with him or not. Choose to buy Nike's made in Sri Lanka or not.

I do not deal in analogies, so come correct or do not at all.

XL5 · 08-08-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jbhofmann

Secondly, every auction in history is filled with shills. Go to a farm machinery auction and watch millionaires bid just to spite the other guy. Sheriff auctions of property are filled with flippers who will bid just to raise the price on another flipper.

That's not shill bidding. That's gambling to hurt a competitor. If they don't out-bid you, you're stuck buying that farm machinery or siezed property.

Shill bidding is often illegal (unlike bidding to spite another bidder) and is explicitly against eBay policy.

phizeta564 · 08-08-2014, 03:42 PM

I don't mind dealing with him. I just out in my max bid and if it gets shilled, oh well. I move on and bid on something else. I treat his auctions just like any other. Fact is, don't bid more than you are willing to pay.

Also, I don't know him & certainly have never used him and never will. I don't condone what he does by any stretch

Chrisp253 · 08-08-2014, 03:45 PM

You guys are crazy to rule out bidding on probstein auctions but im all for it... Probably the reason i got a card at less than half its value a month or two ago... Owner started shillin it and his main bidder dropped out after it was bid up to his current max... I sniped and nobody else bid.. Boom. Steal and a half.. Got me looking at other sales from probstein and it happens quite often.

08-08-2014, 12:47 PM	#1
cnewby Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: MI Posts: 18,267	Another probstein thread.... So here is the current listing... 1993 SP Foil 279 Derek Jeter Rookie RC Yankees Signed BGS JSA Authentic Auto \| eBay And here is the "SOLD" listing from 6/26 1993 SP Foil 279 Derek Jeter Rookie RC Yankees Signed BGS JSA Authentic Auto \| eBay I'm not saying Probstein did the shilling, but they sure did relist it at a similar BIN price. This is why I almost always just move along when I see probstein as the seller. Thoughts? __________________ #ALLRISE - THE ORIGINAL HASHTAG - ALL OTHERS ARE CUTE IMITATIONS

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phizeta564 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Land of the 2 Time Defending World War Champions Posts: 478 phizeta564	I don't mind dealing with him. I just out in my max bid and if it gets shilled, oh well. I move on and bid on something else. I treat his auctions just like any other. Fact is, don't bid more than you are willing to pay. Also, I don't know him & certainly have never used him and never will. I don't condone what he does by any stretch __________________ Looking for 2012 Chris Young Bowman Chrome red refractor and any Matt Moore I don't have

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Chrisp253 Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: tacoma, wa Posts: 6,508	You guys are crazy to rule out bidding on probstein auctions but im all for it... Probably the reason i got a card at less than half its value a month or two ago... Owner started shillin it and his main bidder dropped out after it was bid up to his current max... I sniped and nobody else bid.. Boom. Steal and a half.. Got me looking at other sales from probstein and it happens quite often. __________________ Russell wilson super collector

08-08-2014, 01:09 PM	#2
Bob Loblaw Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Spring Training Paradise, FL Posts: 13,050	Is it not possible that the high bidder didn't pay?

08-08-2014, 01:10 PM	#3
enyouartist Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 3,735	I see PROBSTEIN, and don't bother bidding.

08-08-2014, 01:26 PM	#8
jbhofmann Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 409	I despise shilling as much as the next person but think it through a little. The guy is listing THOUSANDS of items and is suppose to police suspicious activity? If you were in his shoes would you hire a cyber crimes expert to monitor your auctions at all times? Of course you wouldn't. This horse isn't dead, it's already decomposed.

08-08-2014, 01:26 PM	#9
trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,173 stunner316	So for the 8 millionth time, people that send their items into Probstein or PWCC to sell bid on their own items.

08-08-2014, 01:26 PM	#10
philhjr1 Temporarily Suspended Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: New York Posts: 2,271 papabear1980	this just in, probstein officially changes ebay handle to shillstein.........

08-08-2014, 01:30 PM	#12
GB5HOF Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 1,543	Speaking of Probstein...anyone know why his booth at the National was packed up by 10 AM Saturday?

08-08-2014, 01:34 PM	#15
GB5HOF Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 1,543	Haha...perfect. He's sold stuff for me in the past...I just wanted to meet him in person.

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