Who plays for the BCS National Championship? - Page 3

aliceinpains · 11-10-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 8lakers24

my basis is by watching a large majority of all big ten games and i dont care what the acc typically is, imo IN MY OPINION just like you have yours the teams i mentioned would dominate the big ten..Also why in the hell would alabama need to play good non conference teams? They play in the sec, simple as that.

The best win alabama has this year so far is against a two loss texas a@m team. Sorry, not that impressive. Although i do agree alabama is the no 1 team in the country, there are no other teams in the sec that come close.

And your basis on the ACC being better than the big ten have no facts to back it up.

8lakers24 · 11-10-2013, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by aliceinpains

The best win alabama has this year so far is against a two loss texas a@m team. Sorry, not that impressive. Although i do agree alabama is the no 1 team in the country, there are no other teams in the sec that come close.

whats ohio states best win? wisconsin? micghigan state if they beat them? Im sorry but if ohio state played in the sec they wouldnt have a two year unbeaten streak.

as for the acc being better than the big ten, i just named several teams that i think would dominate the big ten...didnt say the conference was awesome, once again this is MY OPINION...we will never know exactly though because ohio state doesnt play the top teams.

aliceinpains · 11-10-2013, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 8lakers24

whats ohio states best win? wisconsin? micghigan state if they beat them? Im sorry but if ohio state played in the sec they wouldnt have a two year unbeaten streak.

as for the acc being better than the big ten, i just named several teams that i think would dominate the big ten...didnt say the conference was awesome, once again this is MY OPINION...we will never know exactly though because ohio state doesnt play the top teams.

Ohio state has beaten 5 ranked teams in the last two years. If you think that all 21 games were cupcakes than you are indeed delusional. And since ohio state doesnt play in the sec we will never know. Just as the same we will never know if bama would go undefeated if they played in the pac 12. It would be hard for ANY team to beat stanford and oregon.

Nyfancam01 · 11-10-2013, 07:10 PM

I am not a fan at all of them... But FSU is going to beat Bama and shock a lot of people.. They can flat out put up the points!

8lakers24 · 11-10-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aliceinpains

Ohio state has beaten 5 ranked teams in the last two years. If you think that all 21 games were cupcakes than you are indeed delusional. And since ohio state doesnt play in the sec we will never know. Just as the same we will never know if bama would go undefeated if they played in the pac 12. It would be hard for ANY team to beat stanford and oregon.

and who are the ranked teams ohio state has beaten in the last two seasons? Michigan? northwestern? michigan state? The teams they have beaten are not top teams im sorry, just because their overated and ranked in the top 25 doesnt mean they dont suck. For example just this year michigan was ranked as high as 11..yes the same michigan team that won in the last seconds against two of the worst teams in the ncaa in akron and conneticut and the same team that did lose to a terrible penn state team and the second string of nebraska. Lets not forget the extremely overated 16th ranked northwestern team that has lost its last 4 games now.

trixstar · 11-10-2013, 08:38 PM

Top 5 as of today

Bama
FSU
Oh St
Stanford
Baylor

jp98 · 11-10-2013, 08:41 PM

Stanford LOST TO FREAKING UTAH! WTF are these computers thinking putting them ahead of an undefeated Baylor team. Thank god this BS goes away next year.

And SEC Bias my behind. Explain how 1-Loss Oregon and Stanford are both ahead of 1-Loss Auburn and Mizzou..

JoshHamilton · 11-10-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jp98

Stanford LOST TO FREAKING UTAH! WTF are these computers thinking putting them ahead of an undefeated Baylor team. Thank god this BS goes away next year.

And SEC Bias my behind. Explain how 1-Loss Oregon and Stanford are both ahead of 1-Loss Auburn and Mizzou..

I was about to complain about the same thing.

Stanford lost. I know they dominated the 2nd ranked team in the country, but they have a LOSS.

Baylor does not have a loss.

aliceinpains · 11-10-2013, 09:43 PM

Agree baylor should be ahead of stanford.

aliceinpains · 11-10-2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 8lakers24

and who are the ranked teams ohio state has beaten in the last two seasons? Michigan? northwestern? michigan state? The teams they have beaten are not top teams im sorry, just because their overated and ranked in the top 25 doesnt mean they dont suck. For example just this year michigan was ranked as high as 11..yes the same michigan team that won in the last seconds against two of the worst teams in the ncaa in akron and conneticut and the same team that did lose to a terrible penn state team and the second string of nebraska. Lets not forget the extremely overated 16th ranked northwestern team that has lost its last 4 games now.

What top teams have FSU and Clemson beaten? Clemson just barely got by a 3 loss georgia team.

asujbl · 11-12-2013, 12:06 PM

Just some food for thought.

Ohio State Non Conference -

Buffalo #42
SDSU #72
CAL #99
FAMU N/A

Florida State Non Conference -

Florida #53
Nevada #101
Idaho #112
Bethune Cookman N/A

The simple fact is that to date Ohio State has played a tougher OCC schedule then Florida State has.

Is Clemson/Miami/Maryland really that much better then Michigan State (assuming Big-10 Title game)/Wisconsin/Northwestern?

Maryland and Northwestern were both pretenders. I'd take Wisconsin over Miami. Clemson might be better then Michigan State but are they that much better?

I'm not saying this to diminish Florida State - I'm saying it because it's an absolutely joke that people are giving FSU a free pass to the NCG and saying Ohio State hasn't earned it. The ACC is no better then the Big-10 and FSU has played a worse OCC schedule even though that's what everyone bags on OSU for.

Florida State has earned nothing that Ohio State hasn't earned if both teams win out as expected.

It should be a legit discussion - not a cake walk for FSU - which is what everyone tells us.

aliceinpains · 11-12-2013, 11:49 PM

Some good points. Alabama has also a very weak OCC schedule. I just wonder if its possible ohio state could pass FSU if michigan state keeps winning and clemson loses to south carolina? Thats assuming ohio state beats mich state.

tajikey · 11-12-2013, 11:53 PM

Margin of victory matters, and FSU is nearly +100 over Ohio State.

fullmetal · 11-13-2013, 09:33 AM

Are the computer algorithms publicly available?

Does the SOS calculation only consider the opposing team at the time of the competition, or do subsequent results play into the strength of that team?

i.e. A certain powerful team loses four star players in week two. Does the team that played in week one get credit for playing a tougher team than the team that plays them in week three?

That is hypothetical. It isn't referencing a certain team. This also would impact a team that beats an undefeated team. That team is no longer undefeated. Does the first team to beat them get more credit than the second team?

Every human voter uses a different logic and there is likely no way of understanding it. The proprietary computer algorithms have a certain reason and design, but is that published?

preakness · 11-13-2013, 09:38 AM

Things would be fun if uga beats auburn and then Alabama slips against auburn or sec title game

I'm going to throw up if Fresno state plays in fiesta bowl

groundsupport · 11-13-2013, 09:44 AM

If Auburn Wins out, I say they make it to the NCG.

fullmetal · 11-13-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by groundsupport

If Auburn Wins out, I say they make it to the NCG.

I agree. Auburn is playing some of the strongest ball on both sides right now.

tajikey · 11-13-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by preakness

Things would be fun if uga beats auburn and then Alabama slips against auburn or sec title game

I'm going to throw up if Fresno state plays in fiesta bowl

What's so wrong with them playing in the Fiesta Bowl. By BCS rules, if they win out, they've earned it (my alma mater, so I may be protective).

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Originally Posted by groundsupport

If Auburn Wins out, I say they make it to the NCG.

Disagree.

preakness · 11-13-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tajikey

What's so wrong with them playing in the Fiesta Bowl. By BCS rules, if they win out, they've earned it (my alma mater, so I may be protective).

Disagree.

Guess after seeing NIU fumble their chance last year in the Orange Bowl I am hoping a bigger named team makes it to Glendale (maybe Baylor vs Oregon/Clemson/Auburn)

I know bowl/conference alliances will not allow my wish to come true

Heck, being from Chicago, I won't cry if NIU headed out here

tajikey · 11-13-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

Guess after seeing NIU fumble their chance last year in the Orange Bowl I am hoping a bigger named team makes it to Glendale (maybe Baylor vs Oregon/Clemson/Auburn)

I know bowl/conference alliances will not allow my wish to come true

Heck, being from Chicago, I won't cry if NIU headed out here

If Baylor wins the Big 12, aren't they already guaranteed a spot in the Fiesta Bowl?

preakness · 12-01-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by preakness

Same position I had since September ---

A one loss team will be complaining come Nov 30th

And now that it's December 1st, it looks like a one loss team indeed will be politicking to get in the BCS Title Game

mike barnes · 12-01-2013, 11:54 AM

if ohio wins out and fsu does they are in and who will be clamering for a playoff this year

Frankp2311 · 12-01-2013, 11:57 AM

Hopefully Ohio State gets in and gets their a$$ kicked.

mike barnes · 12-01-2013, 12:02 PM

florida would like a new title on their wall

fullmetal · 12-01-2013, 12:44 PM

AP Poll (Dec 1)

FSU - 58 first place votes
OSU - 0 first place votes
Auburn - 2 first place votes

USA TODAY (Dec 1)

FSU - 58 first place votes
OSU - 4 first place votes

View Poll Results: Which two teams play in the BCS National Championship?
Alabama	116	72.50%
Florida State	105	65.63%
Oregon	30	18.75%
Ohio State	41	25.63%
Stanford	15	9.38%
Baylor	16	10.00%
Clemson	7	4.38%
Someone else - please post who	9	5.63%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 160. You may not vote on this poll

11-12-2013, 12:06 PM	#61
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 63,296 ohiosundevils	Just some food for thought. Ohio State Non Conference - Buffalo #42 SDSU #72 CAL #99 FAMU N/A Florida State Non Conference - Florida #53 Nevada #101 Idaho #112 Bethune Cookman N/A The simple fact is that to date Ohio State has played a tougher OCC schedule then Florida State has. Is Clemson/Miami/Maryland really that much better then Michigan State (assuming Big-10 Title game)/Wisconsin/Northwestern? Maryland and Northwestern were both pretenders. I'd take Wisconsin over Miami. Clemson might be better then Michigan State but are they that much better? I'm not saying this to diminish Florida State - I'm saying it because it's an absolutely joke that people are giving FSU a free pass to the NCG and saying Ohio State hasn't earned it. The ACC is no better then the Big-10 and FSU has played a worse OCC schedule even though that's what everyone bags on OSU for. Florida State has earned nothing that Ohio State hasn't earned if both teams win out as expected. It should be a legit discussion - not a cake walk for FSU - which is what everyone tells us. __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

12-01-2013, 12:44 PM	#75
fullmetal Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 13,249	AP Poll (Dec 1) FSU - 58 first place votes OSU - 0 first place votes Auburn - 2 first place votes USA TODAY (Dec 1) FSU - 58 first place votes OSU - 4 first place votes Last edited by fullmetal; 12-01-2013 at 12:55 PM.

11-10-2013, 07:10 PM	#54
Nyfancam01 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,890 Nyfancam01 Nyfancam01	I am not a fan at all of them... But FSU is going to beat Bama and shock a lot of people.. They can flat out put up the points!

11-10-2013, 08:38 PM	#56
trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,173 stunner316	Top 5 as of today Bama FSU Oh St Stanford Baylor

11-10-2013, 08:41 PM	#57
jp98 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 10,709	Stanford LOST TO FREAKING UTAH! WTF are these computers thinking putting them ahead of an undefeated Baylor team. Thank god this BS goes away next year. And SEC Bias my behind. Explain how 1-Loss Oregon and Stanford are both ahead of 1-Loss Auburn and Mizzou..

11-10-2013, 09:43 PM	#59
aliceinpains Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,490	Agree baylor should be ahead of stanford.

11-12-2013, 11:49 PM	#62
aliceinpains Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,490	Some good points. Alabama has also a very weak OCC schedule. I just wonder if its possible ohio state could pass FSU if michigan state keeps winning and clemson loses to south carolina? Thats assuming ohio state beats mich state.

11-12-2013, 11:53 PM	#63
tajikey Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Exeter, CA Posts: 13,203 tajikey tajikey	Margin of victory matters, and FSU is nearly +100 over Ohio State.

11-13-2013, 09:33 AM	#64
fullmetal Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 13,249	Are the computer algorithms publicly available? Does the SOS calculation only consider the opposing team at the time of the competition, or do subsequent results play into the strength of that team? i.e. A certain powerful team loses four star players in week two. Does the team that played in week one get credit for playing a tougher team than the team that plays them in week three? That is hypothetical. It isn't referencing a certain team. This also would impact a team that beats an undefeated team. That team is no longer undefeated. Does the first team to beat them get more credit than the second team? Every human voter uses a different logic and there is likely no way of understanding it. The proprietary computer algorithms have a certain reason and design, but is that published?

11-13-2013, 09:38 AM	#65
preakness Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Johnny Ryno's soul Posts: 21,077	Things would be fun if uga beats auburn and then Alabama slips against auburn or sec title game I'm going to throw up if Fresno state plays in fiesta bowl

11-13-2013, 09:44 AM	#66
groundsupport Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 16,234 groundsupportse	If Auburn Wins out, I say they make it to the NCG.

12-01-2013, 11:54 AM	#72
mike barnes Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: East valley of the sun Posts: 1,038	if ohio wins out and fsu does they are in and who will be clamering for a playoff this year

12-01-2013, 11:57 AM	#73
Frankp2311 Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,270	Hopefully Ohio State gets in and gets their a$$ kicked.

12-01-2013, 12:02 PM	#74
mike barnes Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: East valley of the sun Posts: 1,038	florida would like a new title on their wall