Best COMC Flip? - Page 2

pcbuck · 09-18-2013, 10:39 AM

2010 Aaron Hernandez Topps Chrome Autograph
Purchased $11.00.
Sold $ 25 to life

checkoutmydeals · 09-18-2013, 10:50 AM

Incidentally, I'm ok with only showing the highest price paid. If you show all the prices paid or a range, it may be harder to ever get deals done

The range I'd like to see is the average or median sales price plus one standard deviation as the high, and the average or median sales price minus one standard deviation as the low. For cards with a lot of sales, I'd also like to restrict that to sales from the past year. For cards with thin sales, I'll take what I can get.

Theoretically, that's what the Beckett high and low prices are - a range of values based on actual real-time selling prices reported by dealers from around the country selling in a variety of venues - auctions, retail card shops, shows, etc.

In reality, Beckett has been phoning it in for at least 25 years. If you see a card with 100 or more copies on COMC, that card is overvalued in Beckett. Yet, how frequently do they actually adjust prices?

For example, look at 1989 Fleer #548, Ken Griffey Jr RC (Rookie Card). COMC has 192 in stock, for as little as $1. They've sold 484 copies for as much as $5.64. Yet Beckett still has this listed as a $10 card.

Using the formula I proposed earlier, this would probably have a value range of about $1 to $3. Which is about right. That is a solid $1 to $3 card. It's a popular seller. But nobody has paid $10 for a raw copy of that card in the past 15 years.

Now Consider 2010 Bowman Platinum #1, Stephen Strasburg RC (Rookie Card). This also books in Beckett for $10. COMC has 121 copies on the site for as little as 97 cents. 216 copies have sold for as much a $7.62. But we don't know when those sales took place, and the $7.62 doesn't tell you anything about whether the card is worth 97 cents. A range of recent sales prices would be more helpful in that situation. And once again, Beckett isn't particularly helpful with their opinion of the card's value at $10. Nobody ever paid $10 for that card, even when it was hot. So where does the $10 come from?

Other useful metrics would be a median price for all cards sold from a set. This would be particularly useful for figuring out the value of commons, especially from thinly traded sets with low print runs.

It would also be useful to see the total number of cards from a set which have been sold vs the total number of cards which are unsold. This would be useful for determining whether a set has any collector interest.

Similarly, it would be useful to see the total number of cards from a player which have been sold vs the total number of cards from that player which are unsold. This would also be useful for determining collector interest.

A lot of times, I run into a card which is the only copy of that card to ever be on the site. It has no sales history. If I could figure out easily if the set is being collected or the player is being collected, I would be much more likely to purchase that card.

calculusdork · 09-18-2013, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by checkoutmydeals

Even with the casual user, I'm not sure the history points work out. My 11-year-old son deposited $70 into his account to process a batch for the COMC National Special. He got 700 history points for doing this. But he never used them because he's waiting for the cards to be processed and to start selling those cards. Meanwhile, all of his history points have expired, and the batch is 15% processed.

My son's best flip is a Pokemon card that he bought for $1.33 and resold for $9.40. His eyes light up whenever he talks about it, and his friends think it's awesome that he's a 'card dealer'. So, props to COMC for being a place where an 11-year-old kid can actually buy and sell on the internet. But the history points thing still needs an overhaul.

As you have said before ... if the whole point of 'hiding' sales data is to keep people from mining it, then -- while history points are a decent method of handling this -- the process needs much improvement. It is unnecessarily cumbersome, and I would think the last thing COMC would want is for its sellers to become frustrated using the site.

hockeycards · 09-18-2013, 11:56 AM

Best:
2009-10 The Cup Printing Plates OPC Premier Magenta Matt Duchene #1/1 #66 $106.28 $169.75

2010-11 Upper Deck North Carolina Autographs #40 James Worthy $49.99 $115.00

2010-11 Artifacts Autofacts #AFCH Don Cherry $6.76 $39.99

2010-11 Upper Deck French Printing Plates Yellow #214 Nick Leddy YG #1/1 $10.00 $39.99

2010-11 Artifacts Tundra Tandems Patches Gold #TT2PENS Crosby/Fleury /15 $40.00 $82.00

2009-10 The Cup Signature Patches #SPPK - Patrick Kane #69/75 $34.00 $74.74

2011-12 Upper Deck Exclusives #471 Viatcheslav Voynov YG #89/100 $3.04 $23.75

Worst:
1964 Topps #125 Pete Rose UER $55.75 $44.80

1959 Topps #550 Roy Campanella/Symbol of Courage $40.09 $24.00
I think these were both part of a port I bought that I did well on overall. Though I think I have some 'worsts' sitting in my inventory.

Regrets:
2008-09 Upper Deck #245 - Steven Stamkos YG RC (Rookie Card) $31.82 $35.00
I think I sold this one around the time he was struggling as a rookie.

2010-11 Playoff Contenders Patches,141,Jeremy Lin AU RC (Rookie Card),0,,$4.99,$7.50,2/4/2012 9:16:08 PM,
I think I sold this one two seconds before I heard of him. According to the sales history this card has sold for up to $201.

2008-09 Upper Deck Exclusives #235 Claude Giroux YG #48/100 $18.00 $30.00
I see one sold on ebay recently for $199

jetscollector10 · 09-18-2013, 12:24 PM

I've purchased a total of 351 cards during my 4 years on the site. Here are some of my best flips:

2010-11 Timeless Treasures Gold #115
Larry Sanders AU #4/10
Item: 6293936 N/A $12.00 $22.00 8/23/2013

2010 Donruss Rated Rookies Autographs #18
Chris Ivory
Item: 8335274 Subscribe $12.74 $25.00 5/25/2013

2009 Upper Deck Signature Stars #131
Chris Davis AU
Item: 7101882 Subscribe $13.00 $25.00 4/6/2013

2009 Donruss Elite Status #122
Clay Matthews/47 #29/47
Item: 7843192 Subscribe $8.50 $21.25 3/16/2013

2010-11 Playoff Contenders #151
Derek Stepan AU RC (Rookie Card)
Item: 4863156 Subscribe $3.75 $10.00 3/7/2013

2008 Stadium Club Rookie Autographs #104
Joe Flacco A
Item: 5034559 Subscribe $35.00 $55.00 2/3/2013

2010 Playoff Contenders #153
Joe Webb AU RC (Rookie Card)
Item: 4312208 Subscribe $9.00 $20.00 1/5/2013

2010-11 Limited Monikers Gold #100
Erik Karlsson #34/50
Item: 5908275 Subscribe $20.50 $35.00 11/5/2012

2010-11 Panini Gold Standard #231
Avery Bradley AU RC (Rookie Card) #95/299
Item: 5850730 Subscribe $5.69 $15.00 4/18/2012

2005 Topps Pristine Personal Endorsements Autographs #RF
Ryan Fitzpatrick/1500 C #265/1,500
Item: 1873967 Subscribe $5.76 $19.00 9/25/2011

37Jetson · 09-18-2013, 03:00 PM

Love this one! You probably would have a tough time getting $2.88 today on that card. Great timing!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetscollector10

2005 Topps Pristine Personal Endorsements Autographs #RF
Ryan Fitzpatrick/1500 C #265/1,500
Item: 1873967 Subscribe $5.76 $19.00 9/25/2011

Jester · 09-19-2013, 11:43 AM

Re: calculusdork, checkoutmydeals, mrwalken

Thanks for the feedback! I mean that genuinely; your points are well-made and we are grateful to have you involved as we look at ways to make the site better.

Jeremy

checkoutmydeals · 09-19-2013, 08:25 PM

COMC has always been very responsive to its customers, and they usually find a solution if they agree with it philosophically and if it's physically possible to accomplish. I've seen COMC implement hundreds of customer suggestions over the years, which is why I keep making them.

COMC also has a habit of sometimes saying that they'll do something, and then nothing will happen for a seemingly long time. It could be that you're working frantically behind the scenes on some great new feature, and it could be that you got distracted by something else and forgot about it. So it seems appropriate to remind you once in a while.

The "history points" feature has been active for 2 1/2 months now. I've found the ability to see sales history extremely useful, both as a buyer and a seller. As a buyer, I'm more confident purchasing certain cards, even for more than I previously would have paid when everything was a pig-in-a-poke. As a seller, I'm more likely to lower prices on thinly traded items, and more likely to take a discounted offer when an item has little or no sales history. Yet, I'm also more confident holding my ground on certain items.

Even when submitting items, I'm more likely to favor players or sets which have a strong sales history than ones which have a weaker history.

But gathering up history points with the COMC IQ Test is strictly for the birds. And the actual data being dispensed is of limited value. So I don't mind reminding you from time to time that the feature could use some tweaks.

weedyalan · 10-01-2013, 10:52 PM

some of my best COMC Flips

Most Profit:
2003 Upper Deck Prospect Premieres Autographs #P30 - Jake Fox
Bought: $6.00
Sold: $17.97
Profit: $11.97

Highest Profit Margin:
2007 Topps Update 2007 Highlights Autographs #RW - Ron Washington
Bought: $0.69
Sold: $8.97
Profit Margin: 1200%

NeonStatus · 10-01-2013, 11:00 PM

You all sure know how to spot a deal on there. Some of the flips posted were surprising.

My-Coolectibles · 10-01-2013, 11:59 PM

Just made a great COMC flip:

Brought 3 2009 Playoff Contenders Brian Hoyers right before his first start.
$12.25
$8.00
$28.80
=$49.05

Sold for $120
Profit = $70.50

calculusdork · 10-02-2013, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My-Coolectibles

Just made a great COMC flip:

Brought 3 2009 Playoff Contenders Brian Hoyers right before his first start.
$12.25
$8.00
$28.80
=$49.05

Sold for $120
Profit = $70.50

Doesn't get much better than that - nice work!

jrod7290 · 10-02-2013, 11:46 AM

2013 Topps Mike Trout auto bought for $95, sold for $120.45 a day later.

2008 Upper Deck Heroes Eli Manning gold auto (part of a port sale) bought for $33.21 sold for $79.75

2010 SP Authentic Jermaine Grasham jsy/auto bought for $11.99 sold for $37.50

Plenty more as I buy ports a lot but that's a few of my good ones.

09-18-2013, 12:24 PM	#30
jetscollector10 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 5,853 jonnyg1014 jonnyg1014	I've purchased a total of 351 cards during my 4 years on the site. Here are some of my best flips: 2010-11 Timeless Treasures Gold #115 Larry Sanders AU #4/10 Item: 6293936 N/A $12.00 $22.00 8/23/2013 2010 Donruss Rated Rookies Autographs #18 Chris Ivory Item: 8335274 Subscribe $12.74 $25.00 5/25/2013 2009 Upper Deck Signature Stars #131 Chris Davis AU Item: 7101882 Subscribe $13.00 $25.00 4/6/2013 2009 Donruss Elite Status #122 Clay Matthews/47 #29/47 Item: 7843192 Subscribe $8.50 $21.25 3/16/2013 2010-11 Playoff Contenders #151 Derek Stepan AU RC (Rookie Card) Item: 4863156 Subscribe $3.75 $10.00 3/7/2013 2008 Stadium Club Rookie Autographs #104 Joe Flacco A Item: 5034559 Subscribe $35.00 $55.00 2/3/2013 2010 Playoff Contenders #153 Joe Webb AU RC (Rookie Card) Item: 4312208 Subscribe $9.00 $20.00 1/5/2013 2010-11 Limited Monikers Gold #100 Erik Karlsson #34/50 Item: 5908275 Subscribe $20.50 $35.00 11/5/2012 2010-11 Panini Gold Standard #231 Avery Bradley AU RC (Rookie Card) #95/299 Item: 5850730 Subscribe $5.69 $15.00 4/18/2012 2005 Topps Pristine Personal Endorsements Autographs #RF Ryan Fitzpatrick/1500 C #265/1,500 Item: 1873967 Subscribe $5.76 $19.00 9/25/2011 __________________ Check out jonnyg1014 on COMC Great prices, will listen to all offers! Instagram: jonnyg1014 Flickr: Trade and sell https://www.flickr.com/photos/146778375@N08/albums

10-01-2013, 11:00 PM	#35
NeonStatus Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: United States Posts: 652 Neonstatus	You all sure know how to spot a deal on there. Some of the flips posted were surprising. __________________ Status: Collecting sports cards!

09-18-2013, 10:39 AM	#26
pcbuck Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 931 pcbuck	2010 Aaron Hernandez Topps Chrome Autograph Purchased $11.00. Sold $ 25 to life

09-18-2013, 10:50 AM	#27
checkoutmydeals Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,045 king-collect checkoutmydeals	Incidentally, I'm ok with only showing the highest price paid. If you show all the prices paid or a range, it may be harder to ever get deals done The range I'd like to see is the average or median sales price plus one standard deviation as the high, and the average or median sales price minus one standard deviation as the low. For cards with a lot of sales, I'd also like to restrict that to sales from the past year. For cards with thin sales, I'll take what I can get. Theoretically, that's what the Beckett high and low prices are - a range of values based on actual real-time selling prices reported by dealers from around the country selling in a variety of venues - auctions, retail card shops, shows, etc. In reality, Beckett has been phoning it in for at least 25 years. If you see a card with 100 or more copies on COMC, that card is overvalued in Beckett. Yet, how frequently do they actually adjust prices? For example, look at 1989 Fleer #548, Ken Griffey Jr RC (Rookie Card). COMC has 192 in stock, for as little as $1. They've sold 484 copies for as much as $5.64. Yet Beckett still has this listed as a $10 card. Using the formula I proposed earlier, this would probably have a value range of about $1 to $3. Which is about right. That is a solid $1 to $3 card. It's a popular seller. But nobody has paid $10 for a raw copy of that card in the past 15 years. Now Consider 2010 Bowman Platinum #1, Stephen Strasburg RC (Rookie Card). This also books in Beckett for $10. COMC has 121 copies on the site for as little as 97 cents. 216 copies have sold for as much a $7.62. But we don't know when those sales took place, and the $7.62 doesn't tell you anything about whether the card is worth 97 cents. A range of recent sales prices would be more helpful in that situation. And once again, Beckett isn't particularly helpful with their opinion of the card's value at $10. Nobody ever paid $10 for that card, even when it was hot. So where does the $10 come from? Other useful metrics would be a median price for all cards sold from a set. This would be particularly useful for figuring out the value of commons, especially from thinly traded sets with low print runs. It would also be useful to see the total number of cards from a set which have been sold vs the total number of cards which are unsold. This would be useful for determining whether a set has any collector interest. Similarly, it would be useful to see the total number of cards from a player which have been sold vs the total number of cards from that player which are unsold. This would also be useful for determining collector interest. A lot of times, I run into a card which is the only copy of that card to ever be on the site. It has no sales history. If I could figure out easily if the set is being collected or the player is being collected, I would be much more likely to purchase that card.

09-18-2013, 11:56 AM	#29
hockeycards Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 106 vancouvervoodoo gethighonhockey	Best: 2009-10 The Cup Printing Plates OPC Premier Magenta Matt Duchene #1/1 #66 $106.28 $169.75 2010-11 Upper Deck North Carolina Autographs #40 James Worthy $49.99 $115.00 2010-11 Artifacts Autofacts #AFCH Don Cherry $6.76 $39.99 2010-11 Upper Deck French Printing Plates Yellow #214 Nick Leddy YG #1/1 $10.00 $39.99 2010-11 Artifacts Tundra Tandems Patches Gold #TT2PENS Crosby/Fleury /15 $40.00 $82.00 2009-10 The Cup Signature Patches #SPPK - Patrick Kane #69/75 $34.00 $74.74 2011-12 Upper Deck Exclusives #471 Viatcheslav Voynov YG #89/100 $3.04 $23.75 Worst: 1964 Topps #125 Pete Rose UER $55.75 $44.80 1959 Topps #550 Roy Campanella/Symbol of Courage $40.09 $24.00 I think these were both part of a port I bought that I did well on overall. Though I think I have some 'worsts' sitting in my inventory. Regrets: 2008-09 Upper Deck #245 - Steven Stamkos YG RC (Rookie Card) $31.82 $35.00 I think I sold this one around the time he was struggling as a rookie. 2010-11 Playoff Contenders Patches,141,Jeremy Lin AU RC (Rookie Card),0,,$4.99,$7.50,2/4/2012 9:16:08 PM, I think I sold this one two seconds before I heard of him. According to the sales history this card has sold for up to $201. 2008-09 Upper Deck Exclusives #235 Claude Giroux YG #48/100 $18.00 $30.00 I see one sold on ebay recently for $199

09-19-2013, 11:43 AM	#32
Jester Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 146 Jester	Re: calculusdork, checkoutmydeals, mrwalken Thanks for the feedback! I mean that genuinely; your points are well-made and we are grateful to have you involved as we look at ways to make the site better. Jeremy

09-19-2013, 08:25 PM	#33
checkoutmydeals Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,045 king-collect checkoutmydeals	COMC has always been very responsive to its customers, and they usually find a solution if they agree with it philosophically and if it's physically possible to accomplish. I've seen COMC implement hundreds of customer suggestions over the years, which is why I keep making them. COMC also has a habit of sometimes saying that they'll do something, and then nothing will happen for a seemingly long time. It could be that you're working frantically behind the scenes on some great new feature, and it could be that you got distracted by something else and forgot about it. So it seems appropriate to remind you once in a while. The "history points" feature has been active for 2 1/2 months now. I've found the ability to see sales history extremely useful, both as a buyer and a seller. As a buyer, I'm more confident purchasing certain cards, even for more than I previously would have paid when everything was a pig-in-a-poke. As a seller, I'm more likely to lower prices on thinly traded items, and more likely to take a discounted offer when an item has little or no sales history. Yet, I'm also more confident holding my ground on certain items. Even when submitting items, I'm more likely to favor players or sets which have a strong sales history than ones which have a weaker history. But gathering up history points with the COMC IQ Test is strictly for the birds. And the actual data being dispensed is of limited value. So I don't mind reminding you from time to time that the feature could use some tweaks.

10-01-2013, 10:52 PM	#34
weedyalan Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MI Posts: 1,799 weedyalan weedyalan	some of my best COMC Flips Most Profit: 2003 Upper Deck Prospect Premieres Autographs #P30 - Jake Fox Bought: $6.00 Sold: $17.97 Profit: $11.97 Highest Profit Margin: 2007 Topps Update 2007 Highlights Autographs #RW - Ron Washington Bought: $0.69 Sold: $8.97 Profit Margin: 1200% __________________ GO TIGERS!!! GO GREEN!!!

10-01-2013, 11:59 PM	#36
My-Coolectibles Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,172 My-Coolectibles MyCoolectibles	Just made a great COMC flip: Brought 3 2009 Playoff Contenders Brian Hoyers right before his first start. $12.25 $8.00 $28.80 =$49.05 Sold for $120 Profit = $70.50

10-02-2013, 11:46 AM	#38
jrod7290 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 897 jrod7212 jrod7290	2013 Topps Mike Trout auto bought for $95, sold for $120.45 a day later. 2008 Upper Deck Heroes Eli Manning gold auto (part of a port sale) bought for $33.21 sold for $79.75 2010 SP Authentic Jermaine Grasham jsy/auto bought for $11.99 sold for $37.50 Plenty more as I buy ports a lot but that's a few of my good ones.