jahallstar - appears to have made a fake Walking Dead comic redemption now R42

[yorkbag]

For crying out loud.....HELEN KELLER COULD SEE THOSE AUTOGRAPHS ARE IDENTICAL. GEEZ!!!

[t2554]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

t2554 - I did say just because they are blank doesn't mean they are fake. Are you stating that all blank cards on eBay are fakes? Or do you admit there are real unsigned autograph cards out there. Cards that leaked to the market they were never supposed to? That is my point. I'm not claiming those cards are real. What I said is that you cannot tell they are fake from a crappy picture. Obviously you can tell if you have them in your hand. But when you are looking at a picture on eBay you don't have the item in your hand. What you do have is feedback, and if you ignore the negative feedback and buy the card anyway then blame yourself not Cryptozoic. After all, you were clearly trying to purchase something Cryptozoic never intended to have available, and now you want to complain that Cryptozoic allowed a fake of something they didn't release to be sold. Yeah, I'm a fool.

Now where on earth did I say or imply that? I simply said that all blank cards FROM THIS SELLER are fake, as witnessed by Nicnac and several of the other buyers of Reedus blanks from this seller that I contacted, several of whom could tell they were fake when they got them in person (BUT there were those that did not know and were thankful for the heads up). Not sure where your logic is coming from by these responses but I really don't have the energy to go back and forth... And for the record, I didn't call you a fool, I said you "look foolish" for taking a stance on something that you choose not to read further into.

[Spider-Fan]

Nicnac my hostility is a response to my words being bent and thrown back at me incorrectly. That is all. Read my first post. My second. My third. My forth. Read the responses. I was accused of calling people idiots, which i did not, and defending a criminal, which i did not. I was told I was an idiot, and I responded about how I was not. I said people need to take accountability for their purchases. They need to do their research instead of hitting the 'buy it now' button and then bitching. That people have unrealistic expectations of what these companies should do. That is all. People are welcome to block me or not respond to me if they don't like my logic.

[Nicnac]

for sheets and goggles I aligned 3 of the Rick's. Hopefully this is clear:

[Nicnac]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

Nicnac my hostility is a response to my words being bent and thrown back at me incorrectly. That is all. Read my first post. My second. My third. My forth. Read the responses. I was accused of calling people idiots, which i did not, and defending a criminal, which i did not. I was told I was an idiot, and I responded about how I was not. I said people need to take accountability for their purchases. They need to do their research instead of hitting the 'buy it now' button and then bitching. That people have unrealistic expectations of what these companies should do. That is all. People are welcome to block me or not respond to me if they don't like my logic.

Well, up there you at least once called several of us fools.

And yet again here seems you are calling me a fool for hitting BIN before doing my research.

You know what, you're right. We are all idiots and we should all drop this and let it go.

I'm done with this thread. Next time I see an obvious scammer, I'll keep it off this forum.

[yorkbag]

Nicnac, might as well beat your head against the wall....you'd get farther with the wall then this fellow poster who cannot clearly see the signatures are identical.....

Originally Posted by Nicnac

for sheets and goggles I aligned 3 of the Rick's. Hopefully this is clear:

[yorkbag]

Nicnac, Spider is one guy. Do not let him deter you from doing good and helping to keep the hobby safer. Do not stop letting everyone know when things aren't right. You are an asset

Originally Posted by Nicnac

Well, up there you at least once called several of us fools.

And yet again here seems you are calling me a fool for hitting BIN before doing my research.

You know what, you're right. We are all idiots and we should all drop this and let it go.

I'm done with this thread. Next time I see an obvious scammer, I'll keep it off this forum.

[Spider-Fan]

t2554 - If you want to read a question as a statement, so be it. But read the full thing. I said I don't need to read the threads to see that he is selling fakes. It is unnecessary. Not sure why you are insulted or offended but that, but whatever.

Nicnac - If you want to put the word fool into the statement "They need to do their research instead of hitting the 'buy it now' button and then bitching." then go right ahead.

I'm an #@#@#@#@#@#@#@, I'm a douchebag. Whatever. Arguing with me is like hitting your head up against the wall. Yes, it absolutely can be if you chose to misinterpret what I write and then go on the attack.

OBVIOUS scammers aren't the ones you need to bring to light. Its the not-obvious ones that have to get busted. I suppose that was an #@#@#@#@#@#@#@ thing to say too. My third post - If its obvious, then I must be an idiot if I fall for it. Either its not obvious, or everybody who buys is an idiot, right? I mean, it was OBVIOUS. Right?

For the record, I'm the one who doesn't think these things are obvious. I think I've made that very clear. If I haven't... I DON'T THINK THESE FAKES ARE OBVIOUS FROM LOOKING AT PICTURES - THEY NEED TO BE EXPLAINED TO ME. IF THAT MAKES ME A FOOL, I GUESS I'M A FOOL.

Maybe people should not be so condescending as to say things are OBVIOUS.

[webjon]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

For the record, I'm the one who doesn't think these things are obvious. I think I've made that very clear. If I haven't... I DON'T THINK THESE FAKES ARE OBVIOUS FROM LOOKING AT PICTURES - THEY NEED TO BE EXPLAINED TO ME. IF THAT MAKES ME A FOOL, I GUESS I'M A FOOL.

Threads like these are made to bring what is obvious to some people to light to others.

You don't seem to value that, even though it's not obvious to you that these are fake.

While it's fantastic that this particular seller has bad feedback and can protect some from bidding, what happens when an unwitting buyer of his fakes turns around and sells them. Their feedback may be perfect, and without threads like this there wouldn't be anything for people to research if they are looking for information.

Cryptozoic does have a presence on this board and people from their company have posted recently. It is unfortunate that they haven't responded publicly, as not responding here when they have a presence, and have been alerted to the thread/concern makes it look like they are ignoring the issue, as do the responses people are getting back from Cryptozoic after emailing them.

Perhaps, if we aren't getting a resolution through Cryptozoic we should alert AMC, they seem to be exceptionally protective of the Walking Dead license. I am certain if someone could get to the right person at AMC they would be very concerned about expensive counterfeit Walking Dead merchandise.

[kapz01]

Originally Posted by ricksam

problem w that thinking is that -- when did he start?
maybe he was selling at local conventions? craigslist? ebid? facebook? in 2012?

also might want to look at others involved in this ..
if he isnt printing in his basement - is kinkos? staples? or a card printing company knowingly printing (copyrighted) cards for him?

more Qs ...
are crytpos phones or emails being hacked? is there a washington connection? .. is the irs looking at his profits? what conventions has he visited? ... and where the heck is waldo?

Ive checked my cards including comparing them to many I pulled from boxes and they are all identical (card stock, shine from sharpie, holograms, etc.), so unless he got really crappy at making fakes all of a sudden, then I dont need to think back any further. So no problems here, besides I would like to see someone give a sh!t enough to stop this idiot from making blatant fakes. But oh well, not my hard earned work being counterfeited... so I guess if Cryptozoic is okay with it, so am I... fake away, guy!

Not to mention I dont NEED pieces of cardboard with pictures printed on them, I enjoy collecting them. So if I have something infringing upon that then its my right to no longer engage in that activity. Im not thinking conspiricy theory here when you can see scans of blantantly identical signatures on multiple cards... and I dont need to risk $150 for an autograph card that there are tons of fakes floating around and continually more and more out there as nothing is done about it. Same reason I wont touch an Inkworks auto... not worth the risk to me.

[kapz01]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

(1) Just cause they are blank doesn't mean they are fake. Real blank cards turn up all the time. Maybe they are not supposed to turn up, but they do.

(2) If it is so obvious that they are fakes from the pics, then don't buy them. You would have to be an idiot to buy them, if it is so obvious. I can't tell. I wouldn't expect Cryptozoic, or any other company, to make a decision based on a poorly lit picture of a bunch of cards on some beat-up old carpeting. A false accusation of counterfeiting is a lot more damaging to Cryptozoic than not getting involved.

How in the world can you not tell from those scans that the autos arent identical from card to card... HE LAID THEM OUT SO YOU CAN COMPARE THEM??? I would expect the company that produces hundreds of autograph cards can see identical signatures there if you cant.

[CollectorMan]

Honestly all these WD fakes has soured me on the entire line. I won't touch any of them anymore, and I'm a huuuuuge WD fan. Cryptozoic's lack of response or actions against fakers like this, make me not want any of the items they bring out. They really need to do something or they will lose a lot of business. I don't trust any Inkworks autos and Cryptozoic is headed in this direction which is a shame because WD is pretty much responsible for the growing Non sport market. It would be very sad if they were left behind by collectors.

As far as gripes from resellers, I understand. Why would any collector spend hard earned money on something that will continue to lose value daily with each new fake that appears? The answer is they won't. It's arrogant and inept to think otherwise. I love WD and Sons of Anarchy, but will not purchase anything from Cryptozoic until they show some respect to the customers and do something about these criminals. No singles, no boxes, no cases, NOTHING.

I commend fellow Non sport collectors for being proactive and attempting to stop what has put sports cards on borrowed time.

Keep bombarding Crptozoic's inbox until they respond or act.

[Cujobyte]

I honestly cannot believe some of the comments I have read in this thread. It's part of the reason why I've pretty much quit reading these boards.

I see everyone blaming crypto for these fakes, and the fact that they have done nothing about that. Really? Are all of you guys privy to the communications between Cryptozoic and Ebay? Blame should be on: The seller first, then ebay.

Recently I tried shutting a scammer down on ebay, when a bunch of us found 10 different ebay names (linking cgc numbers from buying/selling etc). After two months, ebay still has done nothing.

I'm in no way making light of this issue, or disregarding it in any way. But to solely blame crypto is absolutely crazy. I'd venture a guess that they have reported the seller to ebay, but ebay has proven time and again that they only care about the $$.

[monkeymcgee]

Sorry, but I just don't believe that if Cryptozoic requested those listings to be taken down that they wouldn't be taken down. Selling counterfeit items is illegal after all and I'm pretty sure eBay is not going to risk legal action from a company to make a few bucks off of some auctions.

And as I mentioned earlier, when someone is selling items before the street date eBay seems to get those taken down pretty fast. That doesn't really fit into the "eBay will do anything for a buck" argument.

But you are absolutely right--we have no idea what has happened behind the scenes.

[ricksam]

Originally Posted by Cujobyte

I honestly cannot believe some of the comments I have read in this thread. It's part of the reason why I've pretty much quit reading these boards.

I see everyone blaming crypto for these fakes, and the fact that they have done nothing about that. Really? Are all of you guys privy to the communications between Cryptozoic and Ebay? Blame should be on: The seller first, then ebay.

Recently I tried shutting a scammer down on ebay, when a bunch of us found 10 different ebay names (linking cgc numbers from buying/selling etc). After two months, ebay still has done nothing.

I'm in no way making light of this issue, or disregarding it in any way. But to solely blame crypto is absolutely crazy. I'd venture a guess that they have reported the seller to ebay, but ebay has proven time and again that they only care about the $$.

agreed .. not solo to blame .. 3rd maybe?

but crypto doesnt say anything on the board .. yet we know the SP on the wds2 relics .. just the other day we were privy to the identification of a superman sketch , yesterday a boardie posted a request from miranda to communicate to the board .. really? typing an email to the boardie and cant post on BO; what convention is crypto at for this long?

what did crypto do? ..do we care about the identification of some sketch at this point/in comparison to clearing up the blanks, vero claim, alleged forgery issues?
link about vero: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...s-vero-ov.html

not only affecting resellers, but traders too - any one want a blank auto that i was told was pack pulled ... trade u for a case sketch

[CAS239]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

Honestly all these WD fakes has soured me on the entire line. I won't touch any of them anymore, and I'm a huuuuuge WD fan. Cryptozoic's lack of response or actions against fakers like this, make me not want any of the items they bring out. They really need to do something or they will lose a lot of business. I don't trust any Inkworks autos and Cryptozoic is headed in this direction which is a shame because WD is pretty much responsible for the growing Non sport market. It would be very sad if they were left behind by collectors.

As far as gripes from resellers, I understand. Why would any collector spend hard earned money on something that will continue to lose value daily with each new fake that appears? The answer is they won't. It's arrogant and inept to think otherwise. I love WD and Sons of Anarchy, but will not purchase anything from Cryptozoic until they show some respect to the customers and do something about these criminals. No singles, no boxes, no cases, NOTHING.

I commend fellow Non sport collectors for being proactive and attempting to stop what has put sports cards on borrowed time.

Keep bombarding Crptozoic's inbox until they respond or act.

No matter the outcome, Crypto is not going to be hurting for business whether the person is taken off eBay or not. And who's to say Crypto hasn't contacted EBay, but eBay hasn't done anything about it?

And with so many fake items out there throughout all products and brands, I'm sure it's difficult to go out and hunt down every single one. If crypto were to send eBay a message to take down the posting, the email would probably be a needle in a haystack. eBay is hosting the selling, Crypto did not produce the fake cards to be sold..so it's on eBay more so than crypto. So if anything you should be siding with not using eBay instead of not buying Crypto products.

There are tons of fake Jordan shoes out there, but Nike/Jordan isn't hurting for business because of that. Sure some locations can get closed down or they're found out about and reported, but there's still going to be fakes floating around. This isn't Nike or Jordan's fault, it's the people wanting to make a quick buck off a knock offs fault.

Sure crypto staff could come in here and say they've contacted eBay and are waiting for the posts to be taken down, but that's not going to stop the person from just making a new eBay account or just waiting a couple weeks before putting up more. To me the blame is on the seller, eBay, then Crypto. It's not Crypto's fault that there are fakes floating around, and it's ebays responsibility to get them taken down.

[CollectorMan]

I don't blame crypto for this seller at all. I think they put out a quality product that I enjoy collecting. My problem is the lack of response or action against this seller. I doubt this person would be on the 10-20th listed fake if crypto would have contacted EBay.

As far as the Nike analogy, crypto is not Nike. Nike has fakes because they are a billion dollar company with items that have a much broader base. Non sports collecting is a small but growing niche of people. That being all said, Nike destroys anyone they catch making fake shoes. While crypto may be fine losing a few people like me now, it won't bode well for future releases. As word of mouth spreads and a company not taking action on fake collectibles will just open the floodgates to the rest of the unsavories.

I hope they do respond and take down the fakers because I like the product they bring out. I really hope the new sets will include more SP numbering and a harder to fake card. Just because it's difficult to stop does not mean complacency is the best course of action. Again they may already taken steps, but I doubt it would have been allowed to continue for this long. One call from a lawyer representing crypto to EBay security should do the trick.

[baytowntex]

i would like to see the report Crypto made to ebay. I doubt Crypto has told ebay to take these items off. why hasnt Crypto responded to our thread? Webjon has a good point, i guess AMC will have to be contacted next. Spiderfan, you might want to check your whole collection if you dont think those autographs are identical.

[Chuck Bartowski]

I'm not sure why we are trying to hold CZE to a different standard than any other company when it comes to fakes. Fakes are rampant on the sports side. In fact if that one dude is to be believed the companies themselves have been knowingly making fake game used cards for a while.

This is one of the advantages to sticker autographs. They are harder to fake. Yes I know it happens, but it's way less likely than for on card ones.

[aggie4ever]

Instead of blasting Cryptozoic for not responding in this thread, why don't we just wait until they are able to come in and post? I contacted Miranda from Cryptozoic yesterday right before lunch, and her reply said they were out of the office at a convention. I also received an auto-response before she took the time to send me an e-mail, that said they were out of the office until Friday, and that they had unreliable access to e-mails during that time. Apparently my question (whether the R42 redemption was valid) was serious enough for her to take time away from her convention work to find out an answer and e-mail me. However, being able to send an e-mail with an i-phone is a lot different than having internet access to go to this BO thread. A lot of people are assuming Cryptozoic has viewed this thread, and has not done anything. Most likely, they have not had a chance to take a look at this thread, and are not aware of the uproar they are causing by not responding directly to the thread.

Also, some food for thought: This seller at one point was selling fake Andrew Lincoln and Laurie Holden WD autographs, but took down the listings. The seller apparently has no problem with trying to sell fake autographs according to many posts in this thread, so why is he still not selling those items? I think it's quite possible Cryptozoic threatened him with legal action for selling fakes. However, I don't think Cryptozoic can force him to take down every listing he has, because they aren't all fake (I mean, I guess they all could be, and I personally wouldn't buy anything from him, but noone knows for sure how many of his items are fake). So they can only force him to take down listings for cards that have been definitely proven to be fake. And before anyone says there is plenty of proof on several of his cards, proof enough for an internet message board is probably a lot different than actual proof needed to have ebay take down a listing.

[baytowntex]

Originally Posted by Chuck Bartowski

I'm not sure why we are trying to hold CZE to a different standard than any other company when it comes to fakes. Fakes are rampant on the sports side. In fact if that one dude is to be believed the companies themselves have been knowingly making fake game used cards for a while.

This is one of the advantages to sticker autographs. They are harder to fake. Yes I know it happens, but it's way less likely than for on card ones.

the hobby is just hoping for a company that seems to care. hopefully Crypto does care.

[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by Chuck Bartowski

I'm not sure why we are trying to hold CZE to a different standard than any other company when it comes to fakes. Fakes are rampant on the sports side. In fact if that one dude is to be believed the companies themselves have been knowingly making fake game used cards for a while.

This is one of the advantages to sticker autographs. They are harder to fake. Yes I know it happens, but it's way less likely than for on card ones.

Many sports fake autos are done with stickers. It's not difficult to do, as I found out when I got one.

I'm actually not holding Cryptozoic to a different standard than I would other companies. Again, we have no idea what they have or haven't done. All I've been saying is if they have good reason to believe the items are fake, it's in their own interest (for many reasons) to try and get those listings removed.

[StevieV]

To be fair to Cryptozoic I e-mailed Rittenhouse last week to tell them this guy was selling fake Emilia Clarke, Anna Paquin, and Robert Downey autographs and they responded back to me within 5 minutes thanking me for letting them know. I thought for sure they would then make eBay pull those auctions and yet the auctions ran through completion. I find it hard to believe that Rittenhouse didn't at least try to act. And with Cryptozoic being notified and all the auctions continuing to be completed I have to think this is simply a case of eBay not giving a damn about any complaints, either from us or the companies making the cards.

[kapz01]

Originally Posted by aggie4ever

Instead of blasting Cryptozoic for not responding in this thread, why don't we just wait until they are able to come in and post? I contacted Miranda from Cryptozoic yesterday right before lunch, and her reply said they were out of the office at a convention. I also received an auto-response before she took the time to send me an e-mail, that said they were out of the office until Friday, and that they had unreliable access to e-mails during that time. Apparently my question (whether the R42 redemption was valid) was serious enough for her to take time away from her convention work to find out an answer and e-mail me. However, being able to send an e-mail with an i-phone is a lot different than having internet access to go to this BO thread. A lot of people are assuming Cryptozoic has viewed this thread, and has not done anything. Most likely, they have not had a chance to take a look at this thread, and are not aware of the uproar they are causing by not responding directly to the thread.

Also, some food for thought: This seller at one point was selling fake Andrew Lincoln and Laurie Holden WD autographs, but took down the listings. The seller apparently has no problem with trying to sell fake autographs according to many posts in this thread, so why is he still not selling those items? I think it's quite possible Cryptozoic threatened him with legal action for selling fakes. However, I don't think Cryptozoic can force him to take down every listing he has, because they aren't all fake (I mean, I guess they all could be, and I personally wouldn't buy anything from him, but noone knows for sure how many of his items are fake). So they can only force him to take down listings for cards that have been definitely proven to be fake. And before anyone says there is plenty of proof on several of his cards, proof enough for an internet message board is probably a lot different than actual proof needed to have ebay take down a listing.

Obviously I dont know what happened but my guess is he took down the listings because he seen people posting threads on here about the fake cards. The guy reads the.forums he.posted in the other fake topic. He has also sold many fake Reedus cards since.taking those down and if I remember right at least a few Lincolns.

Plus it is easier than contacting eBay to get these removed. I posted a link to his facebook and full name in the other thread and someone else posted his entire contact info... Pay a lawyer $50 to draft a cease and desist letter, and if the guy is still too stupid/greedy to stop then take legal action. If it were my companies reputation on the line I sure would.

Ive emailed Crypto about 3-4 times about this guy dating back to when he was making reprints of autograph cards matting them and selling them as reprints (months ago). Since then he has moved onto actually faking cards and selling them as real. So they have had plenty of warning about this guy... I assume I am not the only one who has emailed them. So I would guess they havent been out of the office for two months. Maybe I will send them a link to this thread so they surely know people who keep their business alive would appreciate something to be done, and some kind of word if it has.

Finally... I for one am NOT blaming Crypto for fakes (which I never thought anyone else was either)... I am blaming them for not taking action (as far as we can tell) to stop these fakes from flooding the market. Cryptozoic is not even close to Nike, Nike is a multibillion dollar corp. They could lose a million customers and barely notice. Crypto most likely doesnt even have a million customers. Widespread news between their relatively small community of collectors could hurt them... maybe not significantly but it is possible.

[PhillyPhan]

Originally Posted by baytowntex

the hobby is just hoping for a company that seems to care. hopefully Crypto does care.

I know for a fact Rittenhouse cares about this sort of thing...and I speak from experience...

I was the one who won the James Franco auto off ebay that turned out to be counterfeit...you can read about it on webjon's blog...it took over 2 months for me to finally get my money back...Steve at RA was in constant contact with me through the long and painful ordeal...he also contacted the proper authorities to see what could be done...Steve even sent paypal an email telling them that the card was indeed a fake when they needed more proof that it was...without Steve helping me in this matter I never would have received a refund...and I didn't even have to send the card back to the seller...once paypal finally realized it was the president of the company that now had the counterfeit card in his possession they issued me a refund right away...because of this incident...Rittenhouse took steps to make it harder to counterfeit their cards...just look at the back of a Rittenhouse autograph card after 2009 and you'll know what I mean...

Originally Posted by StevieV

To be fair to Cryptozoic I e-mailed Rittenhouse last week to tell them this guy was selling fake Emilia Clarke, Anna Paquin, and Robert Downey autographs and they responded back to me within 5 minutes thanking me for letting them know. I thought for sure they would then make eBay pull those auctions and yet the auctions ran through completion. I find it hard to believe that Rittenhouse didn't at least try to act. And with Cryptozoic being notified and all the auctions continuing to be completed I have to think this is simply a case of eBay not giving a damn about any complaints, either from us or the companies making the cards.

Plain and simple...ebay does not give a damn...