Official Discussion Thread of The Finals! San Antonio Spurs vs. Miami Heat

[Round Mound]

Originally Posted by tristan20

Wade +5, Lebron +8, Bosh +6

Ray Allen +19

Pretty obvious it was Ray Allen that won this game

I beg to differ.

Battier got a +13 in 8 minutes. That makes him the game saver

Actually, if I were Spoelstra, I would start Allen(+19)-Cole(+9)-Haslem(+10)-Battier(+13). I mean, they are clearly the better players

[drob50]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

are you kidding me??? the spurs have played excellent team basketball. if youre looking at the box score and at the bigs, yeah they havent done that good. as a team they have exceeded expectations. setting records for 3pt shooting? if the "team" wasnt doing good, it wouldnt be 2-2. the spurs have been fantastic, break it down.

I have watched every minute of every game this season including all playoff games and this was far from their best!

3pt record aside, when do you ever have Danny Green as the top scorer for the Spurs over 3 games? Never!

That alone shows they are not at their best!

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by drob50

I have watched every minute of every game this season including all playoff games and this was far from their best!

3pt record aside, when do you ever have Danny Green as the top scorer for the Spurs over 3 games? Never!

That alone shows they are not at their best!

exactly, the role players are leading the spurs and teh main players are contributing enough. its tough for a team to have a game plan and shut down who they are suppose to and then the "others" take over. thats why the spurs have exceeded in this series. its a 2-2 series because the spurs are playing such great team ball.

[drob50]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

exactly, the role players are leading the spurs and teh main players are contributing enough. its tough for a team to have a game plan and shut down who they are suppose to and then the "others" take over. thats why the spurs have exceeded in this series. its a 2-2 series because the spurs are playing such great team ball.

I disagree! The 'Big 3' haven't done anywhere near enough!

The moments of team ball have been great as far as ball movement, dictating shot selection and defensive rotations, but like all teams, there are moments that the experiences players need to take the team on their shoulders and aside from Parker in the first half tonight, that hasn't happened at all!

Timmy needs to step up, Parker needs to control tempo much better and Manu needs to stop hitting the beer before game days!

[pingbling23]

if you want to go on game 4 alone, i agree with you, i was speaking on the series so far.

[pingbling23]

i still think for heat success, they need to play anderson more then haslam. anderson can finish around the rim better, rebound better, and has a better defensive presence.

[Round Mound]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

i still think for heat success, they need to play anderson more then haslam. anderson can finish around the rim better, rebound better, and has a better defensive presence.

You mean Andersen and Haslem?

[Kingofkings1281]

This was most certainly Dwyane Wade's night. However, I love how some people are still trying to discredit LeBron. He had a great game, also. I'm really looking forward to the rest of this series. You never know what to expect.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by drob50

I have watched every minute of every game this season including all playoff games and this was far from their best!

3pt record aside, when do you ever have Danny Green as the top scorer for the Spurs over 3 games? Never!

That alone shows they are not at their best!

No wonder you're boring as batshmit to talk to in person

[XARZY]

I mentioned this in the other thread but I'll throw it in here. I felt like lebron towards the end was padding his stats. was anyone else bothered by the fact that he threw up that 3ptr at the end so he could end with more points than wade?

[freethrowtommy]

Originally Posted by XARZY

I mentioned this in the other thread but I'll throw it in here. I felt like lebron towards the end was padding his stats. was anyone else bothered by the fact that he threw up that 3ptr at the end so he could end with more points than wade?

I posted this in the other thread, but I doubt that was the reason he shot the three.

Some players just get a heat check moment and will fire up a shot to see just how hot they are. I happened to go in. I don't think "I need to score more points than Wade" crossed his mind at that point.

[groundsupport]

Originally Posted by Round Mound

I beg to differ.

Battier got a +13 in 8 minutes. That makes him the game saver

Actually, if I were Spoelstra, I would start Allen(+19)-Cole(+9)-Haslem(+10)-Battier(+13). I mean, they are clearly the better players

Lebron at +8 is pathetic. Needs to be +20 minimum when your the best player in the league.

He should have done more for his team..

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

im very surprised that its 2-2 with the spurs getting the majority of the calls, i figured with the heat in the finals it would be a landslide.... fyi, this is a post for the people that say that the heat get all the calls, obvisouly for anyone watching the game, this is not the cae.

I disagree. The Spurs style of play limits fouls. This has occurred for years.

The Heat are getting away with many, many offensive fouls. Wade and James use the ball and their arms to create defensive contact, but the fouls are inappropriately called.

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by drob50

Same with Danny Green on Bosh earlier on...

And what about Bosh losing it out of bounds??

That play resulted in 3pts for the Heat.

[mr10pin]

Like someone else posted, I think it's funny that both sides are complaining about the other side getting the calls. I think we all could list examples of missed calls both ways. I decided to look at the numbers a bit and noticed the following:

San Antonio Spurs
Regular Season
Fouls - 17.4/game
Opp. Fouls - 19.1/game
Post Season
Fouls - 18.9/game
Opp. Fouls - 20.8/game

Miami Heat
Regular Season
Fouls - 18.7/game
Opp. Fouls - 20.4/game
Post Season
Fouls - 22.0/game
Opp. Fouls - 21.1/game


In the Finals, San Antonio is committing 14.25/game while Miami stands at 19.0/game. To me, that means one (or some combination ) of three things is occurring:
1) San Antonio is just playing incredible defense to limit the fouls committed so significantly when compared to the regular and postseason.
2) Miami is playing a significantly different game that is not leading to getting fouls called.
3) San Antonio is "getting the foul calls" somewhat.

I think it's a moderate combination of #2 and #3 because I certainly don't think the refs have been bad this series. I do think the Spurs are getting the benefit of foul calls. I also think the Heat have benefited from more favorable calls on OOB balls, though. All in all, I think the officiating hasn't been bad, but would say that if I had to pick I think the Spurs are getting a very slight edge in the "calls" department. That being said, I think the Heat could change that by continuing to be aggressive with the basketball.

I'm just glad to be watching a good series that isn't being mired by the seemingly horrendous officiating (both ways at times) of the Pacers/Heat series.

[Qwasian]

The heat had to win that game to stay in it. Great game by lebron wade bosh and ray allen you cant do anything but give them props on that one. They got it done period. No ton of funny fouls or anything straight dominant with floor points wade showed up and lebron showed out

[drob50]

Originally Posted by mr10pin

Like someone else posted, I think it's funny that both sides are complaining about the other side getting the calls. I think we all could list examples of missed calls both ways. I decided to look at the numbers a bit and noticed the following:

San Antonio Spurs
Regular Season
Fouls - 17.4/game
Opp. Fouls - 19.1/game
Post Season
Fouls - 18.9/game
Opp. Fouls - 20.8/game

Miami Heat
Regular Season
Fouls - 18.7/game
Opp. Fouls - 20.4/game
Post Season
Fouls - 22.0/game
Opp. Fouls - 21.1/game


In the Finals, San Antonio is committing 14.25/game while Miami stands at 19.0/game. To me, that means one (or some combination ) of three things is occurring:
1) San Antonio is just playing incredible defense to limit the fouls committed so significantly when compared to the regular and postseason.
2) Miami is playing a significantly different game that is not leading to getting fouls called.
3) San Antonio is "getting the foul calls" somewhat.

I think it's a moderate combination of #2 and #3 because I certainly don't think the refs have been bad this series. I do think the Spurs are getting the benefit of foul calls. I also think the Heat have benefited from more favorable calls on OOB balls, though. All in all, I think the officiating hasn't been bad, but would say that if I had to pick I think the Spurs are getting a very slight edge in the "calls" department. That being said, I think the Heat could change that by continuing to be aggressive with the basketball.

I'm just glad to be watching a good series that isn't being mired by the seemingly horrendous officiating (both ways at times) of the Pacers/Heat series.

In games 1-3 the Heat were settling for jump shots. They barely went into the paint until Game 4. That is why there is a disparity!

[freethrowtommy]

Originally Posted by mr10pin

Like someone else posted, I think it's funny that both sides are complaining about the other side getting the calls. I think we all could list examples of missed calls both ways. I decided to look at the numbers a bit and noticed the following:

San Antonio Spurs
Regular Season
Fouls - 17.4/game
Opp. Fouls - 19.1/game
Post Season
Fouls - 18.9/game
Opp. Fouls - 20.8/game

Miami Heat
Regular Season
Fouls - 18.7/game
Opp. Fouls - 20.4/game
Post Season
Fouls - 22.0/game
Opp. Fouls - 21.1/game


In the Finals, San Antonio is committing 14.25/game while Miami stands at 19.0/game. To me, that means one (or some combination ) of three things is occurring:
1) San Antonio is just playing incredible defense to limit the fouls committed so significantly when compared to the regular and postseason.
2) Miami is playing a significantly different game that is not leading to getting fouls called.
3) San Antonio is "getting the foul calls" somewhat.

I think it's a moderate combination of #2 and #3 because I certainly don't think the refs have been bad this series. I do think the Spurs are getting the benefit of foul calls. I also think the Heat have benefited from more favorable calls on OOB balls, though. All in all, I think the officiating hasn't been bad, but would say that if I had to pick I think the Spurs are getting a very slight edge in the "calls" department. That being said, I think the Heat could change that by continuing to be aggressive with the basketball.

I'm just glad to be watching a good series that isn't being mired by the seemingly horrendous officiating (both ways at times) of the Pacers/Heat series.

This was a well thought out post. Kudos!

[Qwasian]

The foul calls have went great so far this series no games have been swayed badly not sure it will stay that way but so far great series

[Cades]

Yep, certainly impressed with the officials, well compared to the rest of the playoffs

[slugger22]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

I disagree. The Spurs style of play limits fouls. This has occurred for years.

The Heat are getting away with many, many offensive fouls. Wade and James use the ball and their arms to create defensive contact, but the fouls are inappropriately called.

Agree !!!

[GC1980]

Huge effort from the entire miami team and SA went missing. I have never seen such a strange NBA finals in over 20 yrs of watching the NBA. Rotating blowouts. Am I the only one that is not really entertained?

[crazymj]

[Cades]

^ nice

imo Spurs need to take game 5, hard to see them winning 2 in miami

[lambeauleap87]

After seeing the recap, made me glad I went to bed early last night...sounds like it was a decent game, though.