2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR 1994 SF #1/1

[MetDude]

Originally Posted by WilsonValdez

Honestly, the OP is smarter than 75% of the people on this board and 50% posting in this thread...

the REAL question is ....
Is he smarter than pierrethomasfan?

[death2redemptions]

Where are all the penis pictures???

[WilsonValdez]

Originally Posted by death2redemptions

Where are all the penis pictures???

Originally Posted by WilsonValdez

Sorry, I still have the only TRUE 1/1 version of this card:

Originally Posted by MetDude

the REAL question is ....
Is he smarter than pierrethomasfan?

Nobody is smarter than Pierrethomasfan. He makes Stephen Hawking look like David Peters.

[charnick]

i don't usually get involved in these blowout dramatic threads, but i feel like i have to ask the OP a couple of honest questions. no bloviating, no BS, just curious...

what is your end game in this? are you trying to get a big score by eventually selling it, or are you trying to collect something for the fun of it? because as a Yankee fan (well, I should have said this two weeks ago, lol) and I pulled an A-Rod auto missing the auto, and Topps offered me an auto to replace it, I'd have jumped at the chance, and the card would be in my display case right now. are all autos of the same player the same value? no, but Topps offer seems reasonable to me. you'd have the A-Rod autograph you so desperately seem to want.

next, you said you had a meeting with A-Rod to sign it all set up, but Topps wouldn't send a representative. did you honestly blow off a chance to meet and get the autograph of one of the most prolific, yet polarizing baseball figures of our lifetime, just because Topps wouldn't send a rep? you could have gotten the auto, the memory of a lifetime, and sent it off to JSA/BGS or PSA/DNA and for $30-$50 or so, gotten the authentication you so desperately seem to want. this seems like an odd decision to me.

what if everything in this entire situation went your way... best case scenario: Topps admits fault, A-Rod signs the card, Topps rep stickers it. BGS grades it 9/10. now in this scenario you are finally made whole. what do you do? sell it, keep it? because if you keep it, then why blow off A-Rod? you have the auto. and if you sell it, will the riches you would reap be worth all the trouble? you'd no longer have the card, the whole situation would be gone from your life. and you'd be left with what? a couple thousand dollars tops? the man's card values are dropping by the day with all the trouble he keeps getting in. if you truly were looking to cash in, you're literally losing money every day you hold onto it, autographed or not.

are you just trying to "teach Topps a lesson" by holding them to some corporate standard of righteousness? i honestly want to know the answers to these questions because your actions and motivations truly baffle me at this point.

[bogeyfreeround]

Dave how many "error cards" do you have with no auto, or stamping. I see you had like 3 or 4 2012 topps chrome missing the autos...

[swatko4]

ill guess 9 pages

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by charnick

i don't usually get involved in these blowout dramatic threads, but i feel like i have to ask the OP a couple of honest questions. no bloviating, no BS, just curious...

what is your end game in this? are you trying to get a big score by eventually selling it, or are you trying to collect something for the fun of it? because as a Yankee fan (well, I should have said this two weeks ago, lol) and I pulled an A-Rod auto missing the auto, and Topps offered me an auto to replace it, I'd have jumped at the chance, and the card would be in my display case right now. are all autos of the same player the same value? no, but Topps offer seems reasonable to me. you'd have the A-Rod autograph you so desperately seem to want.

next, you said you had a meeting with A-Rod to sign it all set up, but Topps wouldn't send a representative. did you honestly blow off a chance to meet and get the autograph of one of the most prolific, yet polarizing baseball figures of our lifetime, just because Topps wouldn't send a rep? you could have gotten the auto, the memory of a lifetime, and sent it off to JSA/BGS or PSA/DNA and for $30-$50 or so, gotten the authentication you so desperately seem to want. this seems like an odd decision to me.

what if everything in this entire situation went your way... best case scenario: Topps admits fault, A-Rod signs the card, Topps rep stickers it. BGS grades it 9/10. now in this scenario you are finally made whole. what do you do? sell it, keep it? because if you keep it, then why blow off A-Rod? you have the auto. and if you sell it, will the riches you would reap be worth all the trouble? you'd no longer have the card, the whole situation would be gone from your life. and you'd be left with what? a couple thousand dollars tops? the man's card values are dropping by the day with all the trouble he keeps getting in. if you truly were looking to cash in, you're literally losing money every day you hold onto it, autographed or not.

are you just trying to "teach Topps a lesson" by holding them to some corporate standard of righteousness? i honestly want to know the answers to these questions because your actions and motivations truly baffle me at this point.

All very fair and honest questions unlike some of the people posting nonsense here and I would be happy to answer them for you.

I have saved cards on and off since I was a kid. I enjoy collecting error cards and weird cards and when I originally bought this card I knew it was an arod card missing the autograph but I didn't know it was the arod 1/1 card until I received it. Immediately from that point on I knew this was an error card I wanted to get fixed and tried very hard to do just that.

Most likely had I been able to get this card fixed years back I would have sold it or tried to sell it. As for the replacement they sent it was nowhere the same value as this card in my opinion at the time.

The two main things I was looking for in a replacement for this was the odds to pull and it being so rare. I think when most people send in replacement cards to Topps they even state that they will replace a card based on Beckett value. In this case there is no Beckett value so the only other factors to go by would be how rare and odds to pull, again in my opinion.

I haven't spoke the gentleman who was handling all this for arod and myself for quite a few months now but he seemed very nice and last we spoke I explained Topps wasn't cooperating and the whole thing was on hold. He told me no problem and should anything new happen or should I change my mind please let him know.

I could like you said get it autographed and maybe get or graded and authenticated with BGS or PSA but without those stickers on the back the card to me would not be complete and would not be worth as much as it could or should be.

If this were all finished tomorrow and I got my way and the card was autographed and stickered I probably would not sell it now. Like you mentioned all the problems he has been having it just does not seem like a good time. Will there be a good time in the furture? Who knows?

Truthfully at this point yes i am holding Topps accountable for this.

Even before all of this I actually offered to work for Topps in help with locating these cards and quickly and quietly getting them removed from the marketplace. I offered to help work for them to make sure mistakes like these would not happen anymore and was basically ignored.

This is not the only Topps error I have and I felt I could have helped Topps when it came to cards and situations like this. Below are some of the errors I have found in 2012 and there are more cards I have not even posted.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...ror-cards.html

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...ror-cards.html

[MetDude]

Topps has redeemed themselves in a mighty way - Page 3 - Non Sports Card Forum

I wanted to ask about a Topps sports card here if I could.

I have tried to contact Topps to work this out but have been unsuccessful. I have a card from the 2005 Bowman Chrome set that should have been autographed but for some reason it is not. The autograph would be on the card and it would not be a sticker autograph.

The card is a 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs 94A-AR.

The original odds to pull this card from a pack was listed at 1:614,088 packs and is a one of one card meaning there is only one like it.

In December 2005 a reader wrote into Beckett magazine about this very card and Clay Luraschi from Topps responded.

The response said that "During production, chrome cards have a tendency to stick together. This is what most likely happened and an unknown number of unsigned cards were accidentally inserted into packs. Any collector in possession of these cards needs to contact our customer service department so we can resolve the situation."

I tried to contact the customer service department and even asked if Mr Luraschi could email me back himself since he had prior knowledge of the problem.

I think Mr Luraschi tried to call me back one time and I missed his call but I would rather do things through email that way there are no misunderstandings later on.

The regular customer service emails basically kept telling me to send it in and they would replace it. But my question back to them was always replace it with what?

I did take it a step further and filed a complaint with the BBB and Topps did send me off a card as a replacement but I don't feel the replacement is fair for this card.

The replacement card is a 2002 Topps Autographs TA-19 Alex Rodriguez.

This card was in two Topps series and the odds to pull were Series 1 D 1:9,853 H, 1:2,714 HTA, 1:7,284 R and Series 2 A 1:10,071 H, 1:2404 HTA, 1:7702 R.

I guess I appreciate their effort and trust by sending this card off to me first but I have told them it is not acceptable and I will be returning it.

Hopefully someone has some advice on who I can contact at Topps to get them to fix this in a way that would be fair for both of us.

Thanks

So the odds to pull the actual 1/1 are IRRELEVANT.
because you dont have the actual 1/1
you have one of the cards that was not even supposed to be in the pack to begin with.

[Andrew Jones]

Originally Posted by WilsonValdez

My offer of a lifetime supply of Hormel Chili for your A-Rod 1/1 superduperfractor still stands. Let me know!

With beans or without?

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by bogeyfreeround

Dave how many "error cards" do you have with no auto, or stamping. I see you had like 3 or 4 2012 topps chrome missing the autos...

From various years and various companies maybe like 100 errors missing the autograph.

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

With beans or without?

Without beans is more expensive and I can eat a lot of chili.

This might be the way to go for me with as many problems as arod is having.

[crd1224]

Dear lord, when will u realize that this isn't a 1/1??? HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED TO POST THE EXACT SAME CARD FOR U TO UNDERSTAND??? U my friend are stubborn and uneducated.

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by crd1224

Dear lord, when will u realize that this isn't a 1/1??? HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED TO POST THE EXACT SAME CARD FOR U TO UNDERSTAND??? U my friend are stubborn and uneducated.

This card is indeed the 1/1 arod throwback autograph with the odds to pull at 1:614,088 packs.

You and a couple others keep saying it isn't but I am sorry you are wrong.

If you still think you are right and I am wrong could you please tell me what card you think this is?

[crd1224]

I just looked at the becket info on his 2005 buy back cards. The sf 1/1 is called the superfractor, and would say superfractor onthe case when graded. Happy? If not why don't I throw it on eBay? If its a real 1/1 like u "garuantee" it will sell for maybe $100, but when it sells for less than 5 bucks ul realize its no 1/1.

[crd1224]

Honestly I no longer care what u think, u are the only one who thinks this card is a 1/1. What was the point in starting this thread again, u knew what was gonna happen. Ur just looking for attention and u got it, but everyone thinks u are a moron. I don't like to put people on my ignore list but u sure have earned it, congrats. U can put that award next to ur super rare arod that only comes 1 in 600,000 packs.

[VWBUS1978]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

This card is indeed the 1/1 arod throwback autograph with the odds to pull at 1:614,088 packs.

You and a couple others keep saying it isn't but I am sorry you are wrong.

If you still think you are right and I am wrong could you please tell me what card you think this is?

your profile name on the non sports card forum is MRBONG411. that still doesn't explain to me the level of ignorance (or entitlement) you have sunken to here and in the previous thread.

1/1's are 1/1's because they have a stamp or print on them that says 1/1.

you will never convince us otherwise, and it seems we may never convince you.

a couple other things: everything you have said in this thread about topps customer service is false. they make no claims to future value. they replaced the "error" card with an Arod auto (which is more then they'll do for customers that legitimately pull cards with actual problems, THE YEAR OF RELEASE), probably in hopes that they shut you up because i imagine you calling there everyday for the last 8 years. you had no receipt, you had no UPC or wrappers. NOTHING, which is what you should have gotten, they only made it worse by giving you anything, cause now it seems you think you have them hooked.

also, comments are not libel.

if having an opinion about a backdoored card is libel than we're all F'ed. you're more at fault here THAN ANYONE, simply for the fact that you did not play by the rules of the game. now YOU look like a fool, and it doesn't matter if your Albert Einstein smart.

you purchased a backdoored card on eBay. You got more than you SHOULD EVER EXPECT. and you feel as though you're entitled to more.

nuff said.

[charnick]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

All very fair and honest questions unlike some of the people posting nonsense here and I would be happy to answer them for you.

I have saved cards on and off since I was a kid. I enjoy collecting error cards and weird cards and when I originally bought this card I knew it was an arod card missing the autograph but I didn't know it was the arod 1/1 card until I received it. Immediately from that point on I knew this was an error card I wanted to get fixed and tried very hard to do just that.

But why would you want to get it fixed? From what you've said, I surmise to add monetary value, but it seems to have been established that it won't add much if any to get them to pop a sticker on the back for you. Even Sandy Koufax's 1962 Topps card has an uncorrected spelling error on the back, and every price guide lists it as an UER. No one's trying to that fixed, and he's the best left handed pitcher of all time!

Originally Posted by davepeters239

Most likely had I been able to get this card fixed years back I would have sold it or tried to sell it. As for the replacement they sent it was nowhere the same value as this card in my opinion at the time.

Again, you speak of adding monetary value, but you're losing $$$ by the day.

Originally Posted by davepeters239

The two main things I was looking for in a replacement for this was the odds to pull and it being so rare. I think when most people send in replacement cards to Topps they even state that they will replace a card based on Beckett value. In this case there is no Beckett value so the only other factors to go by would be how rare and odds to pull, again in my opinion.

So the argument seems to stem from, you think you have a 1/1, and everyone else disagrees with you. Are you at least willing to admit that there's a possibility, especially in the face of seemingly overwhelming eveidence, that you are wrong, and everyone else is right? Sure, it could be the other way around, but can you face the "possibility" that this is all for naught?

Originally Posted by davepeters239

I haven't spoke the gentleman who was handling all this for arod and myself for quite a few months now but he seemed very nice and last we spoke I explained Topps wasn't cooperating and the whole thing was on hold. He told me no problem and should anything new happen or should I change my mind please let him know.

And do you realize that we each day A-Rod is embroiled in controversy the possibility of this meeting probably becomes less and less by the day? You might have been told "no problem" at the time, but circumstances change on their end too. it's not like he's waiting around for you to get back in touch.

Originally Posted by davepeters239

I could like you said get it autographed and maybe get or graded and authenticated with BGS or PSA but without those stickers on the back the card to me would not be complete and would not be worth as much as it could or should be.

Should be? Very subjective term, and you need to know that. And as someone who is just a collector, not a dealer, cards being "worth" anything is a very interesting concept to me. I like that my high-end cards are "worth" hundreds of dollars on the secondary market, but since I don't ever want to sell any of them, why does the dollar value even matter? But I digress...

Originally Posted by davepeters239

If this were all finished tomorrow and I got my way and the card was autographed and stickered I probably would not sell it now. Like you mentioned all the problems he has been having it just does not seem like a good time. Will there be a good time in the furture? Who knows?

OK. We're getting somewhere... you admit you wouldn't sell it now, and aren't even sure if there would ever be a good time to sell it again in the future. So why is how much it is "worth" even be important to you? See my last point for why card values have little to no meaning to those who only hold onto the cards rather than put them out into the marketplace.

Originally Posted by davepeters239

Truthfully at this point yes i am holding Topps accountable for this.

Even before all of this I actually offered to work for Topps in help with locating these cards and quickly and quietly getting them removed from the marketplace. I offered to help work for them to make sure mistakes like these would not happen anymore and was basically ignored.

The federal government couldn't even hold the banks legally accountable for the real estate fiasco from a couple years ago. The Justice Department was "basically ignored," and we're talking billions upon billions of dollars here. You are one person, with an 8 year old baseball card trying to hold a multi-million dollar corporation accountable for "something." I'm not stopping you from continuing to pursue your endeavor, but you do realize the odds are greatly stacked against you, right? Odds much more rare than 1:618,000, or whatever it is.

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by crd1224

I just looked at the becket info on his 2005 buy back cards. The sf 1/1 is called the superfractor, and would say superfractor onthe case when graded. Happy? If not why don't I throw it on eBay? If its a real 1/1 like u "garuantee" it will sell for maybe $100, but when it sells for less than 5 bucks ul realize its no 1/1.

This is not a buy back card but is called a throwback card because I think what Topps did was print up copies of his previous years cards in various amounts.

I don't believe there ever was a superfractor of this card and I do believe all the checklists online that says it is a superfractor are mistaken.

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by VWBUS1978

your profile name on the non sports card forum is MRBONG411. that still doesn't explain to me the level of ignorance (or entitlement) you have sunken to here and in the previous thread.

1/1's are 1/1's because they have a stamp or print on them that says 1/1.

you will never convince us otherwise, and it seems we may never convince you.

a couple other things: everything you have said in this thread about topps customer service is false. they make no claims to future value. they replaced the "error" card with an Arod auto (which is more then they'll do for customers that legitimately pull cards with actual problems, THE YEAR OF RELEASE), probably in hopes that they shut you up because i imagine you calling there everyday for the last 8 years. you had no receipt, you had no UPC or wrappers. NOTHING, which is what you should have gotten, they only made it worse by giving you anything, cause now it seems you think you have them hooked.

also, comments are not libel.

if having an opinion about a backdoored card is libel than we're all F'ed. you're more at fault here THAN ANYONE, simply for the fact that you did not play by the rules of the game. now YOU look like a fool, and it doesn't matter if your Albert Einstein smart.

you purchased a backdoored card on eBay. You got more than you SHOULD EVER EXPECT. and you feel as though you're entitled to more.

nuff said.

Why would my user name on another forum matter? I am and always will be mrbong.

I could be mistaken but I think there are 1/1 cards that don't have a 1/1 stamp on them like printing plates.

I also think from what I have read in threads that Topps does indeed replace cards for similar Beckett value and no I have not called them every day for the last 8 years.

Slander is spoken and libel is in writing so people saying that this card is a backdoored card when Topps says the opposite is the exact definition of a libelous comment. It is something that is written that you know not to be true.

[petesahuttt]

Nevermind, this guy is a pothead, any typing is a waste, I'll send an email to my grandmother instead

[DaBaddestHic]

I know this is just gonna get ignored, but check out this link OP:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/images/b...anchromeBB.pdf

In that checklist, there are cards listed as Autographs: A-Rod Throwback Autographed Base Cards. There is a card in there numbered 95A-AR. This is the same as your card.

Now take a look at this card: http://5d71665d9f7fef06a3f8-63ac50ea...back-image.jpg

This is the back of one of the parallel versions of the non auto'd cards from this set. Note that it has both a serial number, and the word refractor on it. Your card has neither of these things.

This checklist was preliminary, meaning that it could have changed since then. Note that the parallel auto versions aren't on this checklist. I think that they meant to make base autos, for all years, but then ended up making a chrome for '97, refractor for '96, x-fractor for '95, and a superfractor for '94.

At some point they did make some of the base ones for '94, and they accidentally made their way into packs. I don't believe yours was backdoored. But, it was never meant to be a 1/1 and as such is not one.

This explanation fits your beliefs that 1. Your card wasn't backdoored and came in a pack and 2. The 94 throwback version is supposed to be a 1/1. It doesn't fit you thinking you have the only one in existence though.

[VWBUS1978]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

Why would my user name on another forum matter? I am and always will be mrbong.

I could be mistaken but I think there are 1/1 cards that don't have a 1/1 stamp on them like printing plates. (but they have stickers on them that say 1/1)

I also think from what I have read in threads that Topps does indeed replace cards for similar Beckett value and no I have not called them every day for the last 8 years. (YES, but current year, and you NEED A RECEIPT/UPC/WRAPPERS, you had none of those things)

Slander is spoken and libel is in writing so people saying that this card is a backdoored card when Topps says the opposite is the exact definition of a libelous comment. It is something that is written that you know not to be true.

like i said, go tell a cop you were on a website and someone said something that wasn't true. let us know how hard he laughs, and for how long.

[MetDude]

per your quote Topps also says
"During production, chrome cards have a tendency to stick together. This is what most likely happened and an unknown number of unsigned cards were accidentally inserted into packs."

Note the word error is never used.

They intended to make these cards.
They didnt intend to put them into packs.
Best guess is they were intended for player use.

lso per your quote "In December 2005 a reader wrote into Beckett magazine about this very card and Clay Luraschi from Topps responded"

Was it you ?
if not
Dont you think it odd someone would write to topps about one of these,
if there was only 1 of them.

Derp ?

[luck15hope]

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[Metsfan1121]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

This is not a buy back card but is called a throwback card because I think what Topps did was print up copies of his previous years cards in various amounts.

I don't believe there ever was a superfractor of this card and I do believe all the checklists online that says it is a superfractor are mistaken.

Why do you not believe there ever was a superfractor