Who are the most undervalued HOFers?

[mfw13]

I'll start the thread by offering up three names for consideration:

1) Frank Robinson....two MVP's (one in each league), Triple Crown, WS MVP (two titles), 154 career OPS+, 107 bWAR, 550+ HR/200+ SB, first African-American manager.....

2) Mike Schmidt....his autos go for a fraction of what George Brett's do, even though he was by far the better player

3) Randy Johnson....same RC year as Griffey, but his RC's generally sell for about 10% of what Griffey RC's go for, despite the Big Unit being the better player (101 bWAR vs 84 bWAR) and arguably the greatest left-handed pitcher ever.

[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I'll start the thread by offering up three names for consideration:



1) Frank Robinson....two MVP's (one in each league), Triple Crown, WS MVP (two titles), 154 career OPS+, 107 bWAR, 550+ HR/200+ SB, first African-American manager.....



2) Mike Schmidt....his autos go for a fraction of what George Brett's do, even though he was by far the better player



3) Randy Johnson....same RC year as Griffey, but his RC's generally sell for about 10% of what Griffey RC's go for, despite the Big Unit being the better player (101 bWAR vs 84 bWAR) and arguably the greatest left-handed pitcher ever.

Agreed on all. Randy Johnson is absurdly undervalued when compared to Nolan Ryan or Skenes for example.

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[Imnottheonly]

Stan Musial: fringe top-10 player all time. Can pick up his 48 Bowman rookie pretty reasonable and most of his playing days stuff is very cheap. Compare to his contemporaries from the 40s, 50s & 60s he’s very very cheap despite accomplishments that put him right inline with Mantle, Aaron, Williams & Mays.

I think Frank Robinson is a good shout, I’d probably say right behind Stan in being undervalued.


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[smanzari]

Larry Doby
Lefty Grove
Carl Hubbell
Sam Crawford
Frank Robinson
Arky Vaughan
Yogi Berra (GOAT IMO)

IMO, there's a good handful more - just a few that come to mind

[mrmojorisin71]

I would argue all Hall Of Famers if we’re comparing their prices to modern stars who are still playing. Give me a low numbered 90s HOF card over a low numbered Joey Gallo or Stephen Strasburg 10 out of 7 days a week.

[Imnottheonly]

Amongst more modern HoF players Adrian Beltre seems chronically overlooked. Sure no MVP awards but for a career .286 hitter with 477 HRs, just shy of 3,200 hits, 4x Silver Sluggers, 5 Gold Gloves, and 90+ WAR.

Almost no one collects him.

[Imnottheonly]

Originally Posted by mrmojorisin71

I would argue all Hall Of Famers if we’re comparing their prices to modern stars who are still playing. Give me a low numbered 90s HOF card over a low numbered Joey Gallo or Stephen Strasburg 10 out of 7 days a week.

Not saying you’re wrong but Gallo and Strasburg are strange examples to provide as modern stars who are still playing…


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[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Imnottheonly

Amongst more modern HoF players Adrian Beltre seems chronically overlooked. Sure no MVP awards but for a career .286 hitter with 477 HRs, just shy of 3,200 hits, 4x Silver Sluggers, 5 Gold Gloves, and 90+ WAR.

Almost no one collects him.

Agreed....classic "consistent over a long period of time, but never spectacular" player. Only had two top-5 MVP finishes, but from age 24 to age 38 never had a single season with <3 bWAR.

[ScooterD]

Agree with OP’s choices - will add Warren Spahn and Phil Niekro.

I know - rate stats… but they didn’t play in the dead ball era, and no one is doing the same thing they did except maybe Unit

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I'll start the thread by offering up three names for consideration:

1) Frank Robinson....two MVP's (one in each league), Triple Crown, WS MVP (two titles), 154 career OPS+, 107 bWAR, 550+ HR/200+ SB, first African-American manager.....

2) Mike Schmidt....his autos go for a fraction of what George Brett's do, even though he was by far the better player

3) Randy Johnson....same RC year as Griffey, but his RC's generally sell for about 10% of what Griffey RC's go for, despite the Big Unit being the better player (101 bWAR vs 84 bWAR) and arguably the greatest left-handed pitcher ever.

Thats because Schmidt has probably 50x the amount of autos that Brett does. Hes had autos in virtually every product for the last 25 years while Brett much like Barry Bonds just recently started signing again.

[oldgoldy97]

The Big Unit suffers from being one.

[Stech36]

Roy Halladay - he does not have that many pack pulled autos out there. While some are expensive.

Greinke isn’t in the hall of fame yet, but he probably will be and he has very few autos. It also wouldn’t shock me if he never signs another on the rest of his life.

[JoshMN]

Pedro. More WAR than Nolan Ryan in roughly half the innings!

Joe Morgan had a pretty amazing career too, especially with modern analytics hindsight. Almost don't want to list him though... he was so unlikeable as a commentator for all those years. The undervaluing is understandable for that reason.

[JUNKWAX]

Originally Posted by Imnottheonly

Amongst more modern HoF players Adrian Beltre seems chronically overlooked. Sure no MVP awards but for a career .286 hitter with 477 HRs, just shy of 3,200 hits, 4x Silver Sluggers, 5 Gold Gloves, and 90+ WAR.

Almost no one collects him.

This was the first guy that came to my mind. On top of having a solid HOF career, he is just a really nice guy. You would have to look pretty hard to find someone that doesnt like him. One of my all time favorite baseball moments was when the umpire didnt like where he was standing while waiting for his turn to bat so Beltre just moves the on deck circle to where he wanted it and got tossed from the game. There are plenty of other funny Beltre moments on Youtube but thats my favorite. Anytime I find his stuff in the value boxes it goes home with me.

[JoshMN]

I think Beltre is overvalued as a player. He started young and was just meh most of his career, except for his contract year with the Dodgers, and then piled up the stats in his mid to late 30s. Great fielder though.

He didn't make an all-star team until age 32 and a huge chunk of his value came from fielding, so not really the profile that gets card people excited.

[cjraleigh]

Love seeing Spahn mentioned. Supremely underrated.

My vote goes to Jimmie Foxx. Every bit Gehrig's peer, but a fraction of the attention/hobby love. Dominated the 1930's.

Career


1930-1939


*HOF caliber nicknames

Gehrig 1 (Iron Horse)
Foxx 2 (The Beast, Double X)

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

I think Beltre is overvalued as a player. He started young and was just meh most of his career, except for his contract year with the Dodgers, and then piled up the stats in his mid to late 30s. Great fielder though.

He didn't make an all-star team until age 32 and a huge chunk of his value came from fielding, so not really the profile that gets card people excited.

All-Star recognition has been meaningless since the mid-90's when the game become a TV circus with bloated rosters rather than a serious contest.

Beltre had 15 consecutive 3+ WAR seasons.....don't think too many other 21st century players have done that.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by mfw13

All-Star recognition has been meaningless since the mid-90's when the game become a TV circus with bloated rosters rather than a serious contest.

Beltre had 15 consecutive 3+ WAR seasons.....don't think too many other 21st century players have done that.

On the other hand, Beltre had an OPS+ below 100 in a third of his seasons (7/21). He was definitely a great fielder though, which accounts for a few of those 3+ WAR seasons. 116 career OPS+ compared to Schmidt's 148, another third baseman mentioned here.

At best, Beltre is appropriately valued. Just one man's opinion.

[tjforce]

I'll even go a step further and name a should-be HOFer..

The original Ohtani, George Uhle.

Won 200 games and had a .289 career batting average in over 1,500 plate appearances and won a World Series.

If his arm hadn't been completely shot by age 34 due to multiple 300+ inning seasons, he would have been one of the legendary names in baseball lore.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'll even go a step further and name a should-be HOFer..

The original Ohtani, George Uhle.

Won 200 games and had a .289 career batting average in over 1,500 plate appearances and won a World Series.

If his arm hadn't been completely shot by age 34 due to multiple 300+ inning seasons, he would have been one of the legendary names in baseball lore.

How about you don't go a step further and just stick to the thread topic. And get outta here with the Uhle nonsense. He had plenty of time to become one of the legendary names in baseball lore. He just wasn't good enough.

[eastbayak]

delete

[edogg1982]

Hank Greenberg

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

How about you don't go a step further and just stick to the thread topic. And get outta here with the Uhle nonsense. He had plenty of time to become one of the legendary names in baseball lore. He just wasn't good enough.

Maybe if he coulda got the TJ surgery like Ohtani he could’ve.

[JRX]

When compared to bowman chrome auto prices of newer guys, every hall of famer is undervalued.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Agree with OP’s choices - will add Warren Spahn and Phil Niekro.

I know - rate stats… but they didn’t play in the dead ball era, and no one is doing the same thing they did except maybe Unit

I remember hearing a few times only thing more rare then a Warren Spahn auto is something not signed by Warren Spahn (same joke about feller as well)