25-26 NBA Regular Season thread.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by blackvodka

I suppose this was more to what I was referring to. For a guy who is coming off an MVP and a championship season and is arguably having a better season this year: he's not talked about that much.

There are reasons for this that I've become aware of. Shai isn't a player that the casual fan really goes crazy for. The "investment" individuals seem more interested in the players you mentioned.

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But wouldn't the reasons be obvious?

Luka is in the biggest market in sports.

Wemby is hailed as potentially one of the greatest players ever.

Shai is great but like, nobody is talking about him as if he's going to be a top 10 all-time guy because he's probably not going to be. He's basically Harden if Harden had a better team.

and to layer on top the most important reason - people still can't reconcile the difference between hobby good and basketball good.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Shai is going anywhere from $1,600-$2,000
Luka is $1,300-$1,600
Wemby is $1,300-$1,500

and Edwards isn't even worth mentioning with those 3

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Sure it's not perfect but it's way better than comparing NT RPAs which are heavily manipulated and have 0 liquidity

Giannis is going for $7k.

So as long as you are willing to accept that Giannis sells for 4x Shai and run with it, then your argument is consistent.

[Chryghst]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

But wouldn't the reasons be obvious?

Luka is in the biggest market in sports.

Wemby is hailed as potentially one of the greatest players ever.

Shai is great but like, nobody is talking about him as if he's going to be a top 10 all-time guy because he's probably not going to be. He's basically Harden if Harden had a better team.

and to layer on top the most important reason - people still can't reconcile the difference between hobby good and basketball good.

Saying Shai is basically Harden when comparing him to Luka is objectively hilarious, because Luka is Harden reincarnate. Shai’s comparators have to be the midrange guys—KD, Kobe, Butler, Demar. Shai’s dad thinks he’s a taller AI. Shai isn’t my favorite player to watch but I honestly think he’s on track to be one of the best guards ever. It’s not outside the realm of possibility he wins 3 MVPs and 4 championships.

Totally agree with your last point though, even though I don’t get it.

[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

But wouldn't the reasons be obvious?

Luka is in the biggest market in sports.

Wemby is hailed as potentially one of the greatest players ever.

Shai is great but like, nobody is talking about him as if he's going to be a top 10 all-time guy because he's probably not going to be. He's basically Harden if Harden had a better team.

and to layer on top the most important reason - people still can't reconcile the difference between hobby good and basketball good.

This statement right here pretty much makes my point for me about SGA still being overlooked and not getting the credit he deserves lol. I think he currently has the most likely path to Crack the top 10 out of any of these guys. He's already staring at multiple MVPs and rings at 27, and the Thunder is actually a well enough run organization to make themselves the next dynasty with this core. Luka's the one that actually needs to add rings and MVPs to warrant the current face of the NBA label and it won't be easy as I can see both Thunder and Spurs preventing the Lakers to win anything major the next 5 to 6 years. Wemby is an absolute freak but with his size, injury possible throughout his career is always a concern.

[kipgen]

Still can't wrap my head around silver prizm psa 10 prices

For the same price you could get a rookie auto, for wemby at least

Why would you want a generic refractor over a pack pulled auto?

edit: did not mean to post this twice lol

[kipgen]

Still can't wrap my head around silver prizm psa 10 prices

For the same price you could get a rookie auto, for wemby at least

Why would you want a generic refractor over a pack pulled auto?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Still can't wrap my head around silver prizm psa 10 prices

For the same price you could get a rookie auto, for wemby at least

Why would you want a generic refractor over a pack pulled auto?

A non-licensed 'rookie' card that probably came out a year and a half after his rookie season? Pass.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by tjforce

A non-licensed 'rookie' card that probably came out a year and a half after his rookie season? Pass.

Looking through some cards the same seems to apply to the other guys we're discussing as well

I think the premium on a PSA 10 is just too high for the pop count on these cards

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Chryghst

Saying Shai is basically Harden when comparing him to Luka is objectively hilarious, because Luka is Harden reincarnate. Shai’s comparators have to be the midrange guys—KD, Kobe, Butler, Demar. Shai’s dad thinks he’s a taller AI. Shai isn’t my favorite player to watch but I honestly think he’s on track to be one of the best guards ever. It’s not outside the realm of possibility he wins 3 MVPs and 4 championships.

Totally agree with your last point though, even though I don’t get it.

I'm not comparing them as players from a basketball standpoint. I'm saying hobby-wise.

KD probably fits too. Great players that really are just a tier below in terms of popularity.

[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I'm not comparing them as players from a basketball standpoint. I'm saying hobby-wise.

KD probably fits too. Great players that really are just a tier below in terms of popularity.

Not sure if you remember, but from around 2008 through the year KD won the ring with GS, he was actually up there in the hobby world. KD and Kobe were the top pulls in Panini products and he was ahead of Curry in terms of hobby love. What changed was when KD left GS, he couldn't win anything on his own, and people began to see his ring with GS as less relevant as well. KD was actually more popular as a hobby collectability guy with the Thunder than after he won a ring with GS. Folks already questioned him joining GS but at least he won a ring there. But after he left GS, it actually kinda solidified people's belief that he's nothing without Steph Curry and his popularity in the hobby tanked. Not to mention he also wined on social media constantly about regular NBA fans criticizing him which turned off even more people. Luka could also turn into another KD hobby wise if he doesn't start adding rings and MVPs soon. Every Laker great has won multiple Championships, it wouldn't matter he's a Laker, his collectability will tank if he ultimately fails to turn the Lakers at least into a mini Dynasty. What solidified Kobes place as a Laker wasn't the 3 rings he won with Shaq, but the two rings he won later.

[Chryghst]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I'm not comparing them as players from a basketball standpoint. I'm saying hobby-wise.

KD probably fits too. Great players that really are just a tier below in terms of popularity.

Ah gotcha. That’s fair. I never understood why KD wasn’t more popular hobby-wise. Maybe switching teams regularly didn’t help.

[Chryghst]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Not sure if you remember, but from around 2008 through the year KD won the ring with GS, he was actually up there in the hobby world. KD and Kobe were the top pulls in Panini products and he was ahead of Curry in terms of hobby love. What changed was when KD left GS, he couldn't win anything on his own, and people began to see his ring with GS as less relevant as well. KD was actually more popular as a hobby collectability guy with the Thunder than after he won a ring with GS. Folks already questioned him joining GS but at least he won a ring there. But after he left GS, it actually kinda solidified people's belief that he's nothing without Steph Curry and his popularity in the hobby tanked. Not to mention he also wined on social media constantly about regular NBA fans criticizing him which turned off even more people. Luka could also turn into another KD hobby wise if he doesn't start adding rings and MVPs soon. Every Laker great has won multiple Championships, it wouldn't matter he's a Laker, his collectability will tank if he ultimately fails to turn the Lakers at least into a mini Dynasty. What solidified Kobes place as a Laker wasn't the 3 rings he won with Shaq, but the two rings he won later.

I remember he was on the cover/pack art of an optic year but don’t remember which. Maybe 16/17?

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Giannis is going for $7k.

So as long as you are willing to accept that Giannis sells for 4x Shai and run with it, then your argument is consistent.

Do we not care about print runs anymore?

[Chryghst]

Brings me no joy to say this, but Houston is not a legitimate contender. They just give too many wins away. They were up 2 w/57 seconds left 4Q and had one of the worst turnovers I’ve seen there. KD failed entry pass to Sengun. Has happened multiple times this year. Fun team to watch but just won’t be able to win this way 4/7 times against good teams.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by Chryghst

Brings me no joy to say this, but Houston is not a legitimate contender. They just give too many wins away. They were up 2 w/57 seconds left 4Q and had one of the worst turnovers I’ve seen there. KD failed entry pass to Sengun. Has happened multiple times this year. Fun team to watch but just won’t be able to win this way 4/7 times against good teams.

Yet another game where Ime refuses to give Reed actual minutes

We're behind the whole game, he comes in and hits clutch threes to get us back in it, leads the team to victory against the Spurs and the Warriors

Will Ime learn anything from this? Probably not

[Chryghst]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Yet another game where Ime refuses to give Reed actual minutes

We're behind the whole game, he comes in and hits clutch threes to get us back in it, leads the team to victory against the Spurs and the Warriors

Will Ime learn anything from this? Probably not

Reed was a +6 and Tari was a -18. Just strange. They’re really missing Steven Adams, which is not something I expected to say before the season. 44-66 on points in the paint.

They generated 10 more shots than Philly but shot nearly 10% worse on FGs. 12/24 from the line hurts too. And KD with 8 turnovers.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Do we not care about print runs anymore?

I do.

Pop counts as well

[Wolves4Life]

Bulls shot 39 3PTA
They shot 33FTA
Yes Wolves D has been booty lately but this is squarely on the officials for tonight's loss. When's last time a non-driving to the rim team shot 30+ FTA in a game?

[blackvodka]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Yet another game where Ime refuses to give Reed actual minutes



We're behind the whole game, he comes in and hits clutch threes to get us back in it, leads the team to victory against the Spurs and the Warriors



Will Ime learn anything from this? Probably not

Yep. It cost them a tough OT loss as well.

Big S didn't have his best game tonight either.

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[blackvodka]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

This statement right here pretty much makes my point for me about SGA still being overlooked and not getting the credit he deserves lol. I think he currently has the most likely path to Crack the top 10 out of any of these guys. He's already staring at multiple MVPs and rings at 27, and the Thunder is actually a well enough run organization to make themselves the next dynasty with this core. Luka's the one that actually needs to add rings and MVPs to warrant the current face of the NBA label and it won't be easy as I can see both Thunder and Spurs preventing the Lakers to win anything major the next 5 to 6 years. Wemby is an absolute freak but with his size, injury possible throughout his career is always a concern.

I was thinking the same thing. Shai is incredibly reliable and durable, something that bodes well for long-term value if he can potentially add on more hardware in his career. Plus his price entry point is still lower than other tier A hobby stars for the time being. He just feels like a smart buy.

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[ninjacookies]

Just when that broccoli headed, haram-inked gigabricklayer Melo starts losing me,



Charlotte making the play-in this year. Book it and tell a financially irresponsible friend.

[ninjacookies]

My early december difficulties envisioning a future for Castle as a shooting guard in the MNBA that can't actually....shoot - still remain. He's very fortunate to be hidden within that system.

[blackvodka]

Of course the Rockets & Lakers were both going to lose tonight? They both have been teasing me all year, why stop now.

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[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by blackvodka

I was thinking the same thing. Shai is incredibly reliable and durable, something that bodes well for long-term value if he can potentially add on more hardware in his career. Plus his price entry point is still lower than other tier A hobby stars for the time being. He just feels like a smart buy.

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Another thing SGA has going for him is that the strengths in his game does not rely on his athleticism, which for some guys could cause them to lose their peak earlier (Vince Carter for example) whom played for a long time in the league, but significantly declined after 10 seasons in the NBA at age 32. SGA is kinda like Steph Curry in that way, I expect him to be able to rely on the strengths to his game very late into his career.

[spurs50fan]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Another thing SGA has going for him is that the strengths in his game does not rely on his athleticism, which for some guys could cause them to lose their peak earlier (Vince Carter for example) whom played for a long time in the league, but significantly declined after 10 seasons in the NBA at age 32. SGA is kinda like Steph Curry in that way, I expect him to be able to rely on the strengths to his game very late into his career.

He actually does rely on athleticism. He has that same "twitch" that you saw from Harden early in his career. And it fades and what goes with it are the FT attempts because defenders are in better positions. SGA needs that shiftiness (and "stuff") to create space and get by defenders. The ability to change speeds is special but not long lasting. Harden is still good but the MVP type effectiveness has faded.

And hardware in the NBA doesn't transfer to hobby UNLESS said hobby has already ordained that person as the next.