Beloved by One Fanbase, Hated by Another: Which Players Fit This?

[mfw13]

Would be curious to hear from people on both sides of the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry about the players who played for both, i.e. Clemens, Boggs, Damon, Ellsbury, etc.

They all played for the Red Sox first, and then the Yankees, with Clemens playing two years in Toronto first.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rats60

In 20 postseason games with the Pirates, Bonds hit .191 with a .265 slugging percentage and 3 RBIs.

By the way, here are the postseason numbers some other all-time greats:

Ted Williams: .200/.333/.200, 30 PA
Stan Musial: .256/.347/.395, 99 PA
Willie Mays: .248/.343/.325, 134 PA

[rats60]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

By the way, here are the postseason numbers some other all-time greats:

Ted Williams: .200/.333/.200, 30 PA
Stan Musial: .256/.347/.395, 99 PA
Willie Mays: .248/.343/.325, 134 PA

All better than Bonds.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The Pirates were leading 2-0 in the bottom of the 9th inning in game 7 of the LCS. Bonds is not the reason they didn't win the series. He had an uneven series, but was good overall -- .868 OPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjIVvEQo_o

Yes he was. If he had listened to his manager, Sid Bream is out at the plate.

[jduds]

Madison Bumgarner deserves a mention. Do Angels fans actually dislike Pujols, or are they just disappointed in him?

[ottobord]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Would be curious to hear from people on both sides of the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry about the players who played for both, i.e. Clemens, Boggs, Damon, Ellsbury, etc.

They all played for the Red Sox first, and then the Yankees, with Clemens playing two years in Toronto first.

Clemens, Boggs and Damon were all great, Ellsbury was hurt all the time so there really aren't strong feelings toward him. He did pile up the catcher's interferences which was a interesting thing.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by ottobord

Clemens, Boggs and Damon were all great, Ellsbury was hurt all the time so there really aren't strong feelings toward him. He did pile up the catcher's interferences which was a interesting thing.

Right....but do Red Sox fans have negative feelings towards them for leaving Boston to play for the Yankees?

As a Giants fan, I can tell you that just about any Giants player who left as a free agent to sign for the Dodgers would be immediately detested.

[Sluggerrr]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

You named two of the only four teams since 1990 to win a World Series with a payroll ranked in the bottom half of the league -- the 2003 Marlins and 2017 Astros being the other two.

KC - 2015

[NHRonin]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Right....but do Red Sox fans have negative feelings towards them for leaving Boston to play for the Yankees?

As a Giants fan, I can tell you that just about any Giants player who left as a free agent to sign for the Dodgers would be immediately detested.

I despise Clemens. Left the Sox to play closer to his family, then went to Toronto which was even further away. Then went to the hated Yankees.

Fairly ambivalent on Boggs. Not sure why.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Sluggerrr

KC - 2015

11th: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tax/_/year/2015

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rats60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjIVvEQo_o

Yes he was. If he had listened to his manager, Sid Bream is out at the plate.

The tying run had already scored, regardless. Bream might have been held at 3B had Bonds been playing in more. What happens after that is anyone's guess, but the Braves were at home, which gave them a clear advantage in a tie game.

[finfangfan]

It’s amazing people are still arguing a 30+ year old Pirates/Braves game! Meanwhile … the Mets are STILL paying Bonilla a million a year.

As far as spreading the blame with hypotheticals… Bream also wouldn’t have scored if the Pirates had resigned him ��

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

It’s amazing people are still arguing a 30+ year old Pirates/Braves game! Meanwhile … the Mets are STILL paying Bonilla a million a year.

As far as spreading the blame with hypotheticals… Bream also wouldn’t have scored if the Pirates had resigned him ��

100% true, but I’m willing to bet that his replacement for the Braves wouldn’t have even had to slide at the plate. He was SO SLOW

[kess]

Originally Posted by PhillyVintage

I think Phils fans have come around on him a little bit after his Wall of Fame induction in Philly, but Scott Rolen is nowhere near as beloved in Philly as he is in St. Louis.

Agreed. Scott Rolen still sucks.

[f2tornado]

Joe Morgan crapped on Houston and Houston crapped back. Further solidified when he was as annoying as Joe Suck, err, Buck, currently is in the booth.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

It’s amazing people are still arguing a 30+ year old Pirates/Braves game! Meanwhile … the Mets are STILL paying Bonilla a million a year.

As far as spreading the blame with hypotheticals… Bream also wouldn’t have scored if the Pirates had resigned him ��

The amount of failure that went on in the bottom of the 9th inning of game 7 of the 1992 NLCS is actually quite fascinating:

-- Jose Lind made an error on a routine ground ball hit by David Justice, allowing the second batter of the inning to reach base.

-- Jim Leyland allowed Doug Drabek to pitch the 9th inning and face the 3rd, 4th and 5th hitters. Leyland then allowed Drabek to load the bases without getting an out.

-- With 1 out, Damon Berryhill walked on a 3-1 pitch that was in the strike-zone -- the home plate umpire John McSherry left the game in the 2nd inning, being replaced by first base umpire Randy Marsh, who had a tight strike-zone.

-- With the score 2-1, and with 2 outs and runners on 3rd and 2nd base, the Pirates allowed slow-running Sid Bream to take a large lead at 2nd base. Bream said he would have been thrown out if the Pirates had attempted a pick-off.

-- Before the game-winning hit, Andy Van Slyke told Barry Bonds to move in to prevent the game ending on a single, and Bonds flipped him off and didn't move.

That's a lot of failure in one inning -- Bonds not moving in seems relatively minor in retrospect.

Correction: the Berryhill ball-4 pitch was on 3-1; not 3-2.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The amount of failure that went on in the bottom of the 9th inning of game 7 of the 1992 NLCS is actually quite fascinating:

-- Jose Lind made an error on a routine ground ball hit by David Justice, allowing the second batter of the inning to reach base.

-- Jim Leyland allowed Doug Drabek to pitch the 9th inning and face the 3rd, 4th and 5th hitters. Leyland then allowed Drabek to load the bases without getting an out.

-- With 1 out, Damon Berryhill walked on a 3-1 pitch that was in the strike-zone -- the home plate umpire John McSherry left the game in the 2nd inning, being replaced by first base umpire Randy Marsh, who had a tight strike-zone.

-- With the score 2-1, and with 2 outs and runners on 3rd and 2nd base, the Pirates allowed slow-running Sid Bream to take a large lead at 2nd base. Bream said he would have been thrown out if the Pirates had attempted a pick-off.

-- Before the game-winning hit, Andy Van Slyke told Barry Bonds to move in to prevent the game ending on a single, and Bonds flipped him off and didn't move.

That's a lot of failure in one inning -- Bonds not moving in was the fatal failure.

Correction: the Berryhill ball-4 pitch was on 3-1; not 3-2.

Fixed.

Another correction. Jim Leyland signaled Bonds to move in. Van Slyke saw that a relayed that to Bonds. Bonds didn't just flip off his teammate, he disobeyed his manager. Bonds not moving in lost the game. If he obeys his manager, the Pirates are still in the game despite the above and Bonds only contributing a bases empty single offensively.

[scotthenrichs]

Originally Posted by Baergas

Not a big name but Jesse Winker was worthless as a Mariner. Poor play, out of shape, bad attitude, and no hustle. He goes to the Mets where they treat him like a vibe king

Ha, I was going to say Brewers hate him, so I guess it’s Mariners and Brewers vs Mets. He’s a complete tool.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rats60

Bonds not moving in lost the game.

Except Van Slyke later acknowledged that he didn't initially realize how far Barry had to run to his left to cut off the ball, and that it might not have made a difference if he had been playing in more: https://youtu.be/hAQq8Fr2I3E?list=PL...NMiIfxh&t=3600

Bonds was playing closer to the line because Cabrera had lined a ball foul down the left field line on the previous pitch: https://youtu.be/hAQq8Fr2I3E?list=PL...NMiIfxh&t=3338

If Bonds had been playing in more, he likely wouldn't have been able to round the ball when fielding it and get momentum behind his throw, as the ball was scorched into left-center field: https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/co...answers_about/

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The amount of failure that went on in the bottom of the 9th inning of game 7 of the 1992 NLCS is actually quite fascinating:

-- Jose Lind made an error on a routine ground ball hit by David Justice, allowing the second batter of the inning to reach base.

-- Jim Leyland allowed Doug Drabek to pitch the 9th inning and face the 3rd, 4th and 5th hitters. Leyland then allowed Drabek to load the bases without getting an out.

-- With 1 out, Damon Berryhill walked on a 3-1 pitch that was in the strike-zone -- the home plate umpire John McSherry left the game in the 2nd inning, being replaced by first base umpire Randy Marsh, who had a tight strike-zone.

-- With the score 2-1, and with 2 outs and runners on 3rd and 2nd base, the Pirates allowed slow-running Sid Bream to take a large lead at 2nd base. Bream said he would have been thrown out if the Pirates had attempted a pick-off.

-- Before the game-winning hit, Andy Van Slyke told Barry Bonds to move in to prevent the game ending on a single, and Bonds flipped him off and didn't move.

That's a lot of failure in one inning -- Bonds not moving in seems relatively minor in retrospect.

Correction: the Berryhill ball-4 pitch was on 3-1; not 3-2.

His ego wouldn’t let him admit he had a noodle for an arm.

[Handsome Wes]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

Cap Anson was an insufferable pr!ck after he left Philadelphia. The people on South Broad Street never really got over it.

Rats will back me up on this. I’m sure he remembers the furor.

Not sure about Philly, but he absolutely burned bridges out of Chicago. I think the TL;DR version is that he was mad when Al Spalding didn't let him take over as team president, and then the new guy basically forced Anson to retire (even though Anson was, like 45 at this point). Anson tried to buy a team in what would become the American League, but got blocked by Al Spalding again. Anson was out of baseball and pretty bitter about it for the rest of his life.

[quackhead]

Dave Roberts