Affordability of Michael Jordan autos?

[mwf94]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

If MJ continues not to sign, I think those prices will hold/rise.

It's pretty wild how expensive his stuff is relative to his status to other players. Just think about some of these:

Under $100:
-Montana
-Rice
-Magic
-Bird
-Kareem

I know these guys sign a lot, but the discrepancy is crazy considering how legendary they are. Magic/Bird/Kareem are top 10 maybe top 5 in some cases. Montana is considered a top 3 QB. Rice is easily the GOAT WR. Maybe a top 5 NFL GOAT if you factor in the distance between him and the #2 WR.

The difference between Jordan and all those other guys is after the dream team he got to such a level where he rarely needed license money. The idea of MJ even being in a video game was extremely rare after 92 to where the loophole of him becoming an active player again with the Wizards had a big impact for sports games. After NBA Street Vol 2 we didn't see Jordan in another game until NBA 2K11, and that was an even bigger splash.

The fact a guy was seldom showing up in video games period added to the mystique. The fact he does one media interview every few years also adds to it. So extremely elusive post retirement when the other guys are constantly seen and heard from.

Michael Rubin is the only guy who has a shot at throwing everything and the kitchen sink at Jordan to get him to sign in products again, but if he fails to do so we can guarantee Jordan will never sign again.

But yeah his stuff will dip in a year but we aren't seeing Jordan autos sell for mid 4-figures again I don't think.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

That’s amazing! Definitely get it graded

Thanks – I’ve thought about it, but it’s a thick card, and TPG's often give notoriously bad grades on those, even though I believe mine would score well. I’m not taking the risk of leaving it in their hands.

Inside a premium magnetic case, locked away in a safe, it will remain.

[jzx1103]

Jordan auto cards are definitely out of reach now, but something like this can still be had for as low as $3500 to $4k thats also made and authenticated by Upper Deck if collectors really want a Jordan auto in their collection. For Now!!!

[rnocards]

Yeah... Jordan autos are very expensive.

I once made the mistake of grabbing a couple of them in eBay auctions from the same seller, who had an unknown COA listed with them, but later PSA/DNA turned them down as being questionable in authenticity. I thought I was getting a deal with the auctions, having won them, but I lost the money on these fakes.

There is no way around it. If you want an authentic Jordan auto... you have to be prepared to spend.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by rnocards

Yeah... Jordan autos are very expensive.

I once made the mistake of grabbing a couple of them in eBay auctions from the same seller, who had an unknown COA listed with them, but later PSA/DNA turned them down as being questionable in authenticity. I thought I was getting a deal with the auctions, having won them, but I lost the money on these fakes.

There is no way around it. If you want an authentic Jordan auto... you have to be prepared to spend.

As a hockey collector I see this all the time with Gretzky autos. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen someone post a clearly fake Gretzky auto they bought at a yard sale or something and are disappointed when they find out it’s fake. I’ll always suggest picking up certified Upper Deck auto cards and the usual response is “yeah but they’re more expensive”. Well yeah, it’s because they’re real. You can buy the one you know is real or you can cheap out and take your chances on the yard sale auto and always have that doubt in the back of your mind.

And while Gretzky autos are expensive relative to the size of the hockey market they are a fraction of the price of a certified Jordan. I would never take that kind of chance on anything but a certified pack pulled UD Jordan.

[Asian62150]

Agree that I will only even consider Gretzky, MJ, or Tiger autos if they're UDA.

The sad thing is people have started faking the UDA stuff.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[kipgen]

What about ones like these



Buyback autos? I've seen quite a few faked buyback autos, is there a way to hash out which ones are legit or are they just straight up not as safe as other pack pulled autos?

[Inferno]

I don’t like buybacks personally. Especially on a card that was never designed for an auto in the first place. I’d rather have a normal pack auto with the COA on the back.

[mwf94]

Originally Posted by kipgen

What about ones like these



Buyback autos? I've seen quite a few faked buyback autos, is there a way to hash out which ones are legit or are they just straight up not as safe as other pack pulled autos?

This card I personally really like and wouldn't mind getting because the rookie MJ photo cards with his autograph are uncommon.
Unfortunately the pack pulled auto with "You have received a card personally autographed by Michael Jordan" on the back of it is the primary Bulls auto people want... peace of mind and it feels good to have something that was 1:5,000 packs.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by kipgen

What about ones like these



Buyback autos? I've seen quite a few faked buyback autos, is there a way to hash out which ones are legit or are they just straight up not as safe as other pack pulled autos?

Some of those are certainly legit and pretty cool. But unfortunately a good number of buy backs have been found to be fake.

BODA does a great job of identifying and making the BO community aware of them.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I don’t like buybacks personally. Especially on a card that was never designed for an auto in the first place. I’d rather have a normal pack auto with the COA on the back.

Agreed.

Buy back autos are in the same category as IP autos for me. So in other words, not very desirable if not obtained in person.

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by kipgen

What about ones like these



Buyback autos? I've seen quite a few faked buyback autos, is there a way to hash out which ones are legit or are they just straight up not as safe as other pack pulled autos?

I wouldn’t mind one in a PSA slab.

That’s a weird card though. MJ on a Wizard card in a Bulls uniform 🫣


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[rnocards]

Do you guys prefer PSA encapsulated on-card auto that was initially obtained raw (IP, or TTM, or purchased) more or less than PSA encapsulated upper deck coa sticker auto that was initially pack-pulled raw?

Which one do you see as more valuable?

[mlc3423]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

I would think so right? Generally rule of thumb is collect goats. Same with pokemon or comics. Collect charizard or Spider-Man. In sports it’s MJ, Ruth, Ohtani, Gretzky, LeBron, Brady and Mahomes. Messi and Ronaldo too


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I'd add Mantle and Kobe to name a few but valid point....I have coworkers and friends who are itching to drop $$$ into the sports market

I honestly tell them to stay away but if they do that they should choose the goats or High Grade HOF RCs

[rnocards]

Originally Posted by mlc3423

I'd add Mantle and Kobe to name a few but valid point....I have coworkers and friends who are itching to drop $$$ into the sports market

I honestly tell them to stay away but if they do that they should choose the goats or High Grade HOF RCs

I wish there was such a thing as an official Hall of Goats... like a higher echelon of hall of famers, officially recognized by NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL.

MJ would be the charter member, along with Ruth, Gretzky, and Brady... imo.

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by rnocards

Do you guys prefer PSA encapsulated on-card auto that was initially obtained raw (IP, or TTM, or purchased) more or less than PSA encapsulated upper deck coa sticker auto that was initially pack-pulled raw?

Which one do you see as more valuable?

Both

You’re only gonna get an MJ signed rookie IP obviously, as well as a couple other MJ cards

That said, he didn’t sign ttm and rarely signed in general. Outside of UD, he only signed for his Flight School camp, sometimes after golf tourneys and in super rare occasions, like last year when he inked those 86 Fleer for some friend/ high roller

I love IP autos but it’s asmaller subset of the hobby that collects/is into them. To that collector base, they do go for good money

As far as more valuable you’re comparing two different buckets of MJ cards

I’m out the loop on pack-pulled but has any sold for over $2.7 million? That’s what a signed rc of his did

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by mwf94

That is correct which is why the majority of my sports collection is Jordan autos (I only hold a dozen cards at a time). Michael Jordan has cracked past the awesome athlete barrier, he is an essential part of Americana like Babe Ruth. Lebron and Kobe over time will drop but Jordan will stay strong.

I dont believe you know the Kobe Bryant and Los Angeles Lakers market........

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

Both

You’re only gonna get an MJ signed rookie IP obviously, as well as a couple other MJ cards

That said, he didn’t sign ttm and rarely signed in general. Outside of UD, he only signed for his Flight School camp, sometimes after golf tourneys and in super rare occasions, like last year when he inked those 86 Fleer for some friend/ high roller

I love IP autos but it’s asmaller subset of the hobby that collects/is into them. To that collector base, they do go for good money

As far as more valuable you’re comparing two different buckets of MJ cards

I’m out the loop on pack-pulled but has any sold for over $2.7 million? That’s what a signed rc of his did

Have any other details about this emerged? Had to be a close friend right? MJ has turned down more money for less work. But if it was a close friend, didn't some of those cards get sold? And also, why did they use such a fat sharpie? Amateurs haha.

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I dont believe you know the Kobe Bryant and Los Angeles Lakers market........

Agreed. Kobe fans are crazy and there are a lot of them. And they're about 10 years behind MJ fans in terms of having deep pockets, although I'm sure there's a lot of crossover between MJ/Kobe/Bron fans. And don't forget there are a lot of rich Kobe fans in China.

[mwf94]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I dont believe you know the Kobe Bryant and Los Angeles Lakers market........

Dude is literally dead and signed so much that his auto is more abundant than guys alive and well now. Sorry but the Kobe market will not extend beyond the Zoomers. I don't hear Twitch kids shout "Kobe!" anymore like they did 10 years ago. I lived through the era, it was a lot of fun, but there is only 1 slot for "the best" that can stave off recency bias.

Magic and Larry have horridly low prices for how they revolutionized the league and the amount of rings they each won. Greats but not the best.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by mwf94

Dude is literally dead and signed so much that his auto is more abundant than guys alive and well now. Sorry but the Kobe market will not extend beyond the Zoomers. I don't hear Twitch kids shout "Kobe!" anymore like they did 10 years ago. I lived through the era, it was a lot of fun, but there is only 1 slot for "the best" that can stave off recency bias.

Magic and Larry have horridly low prices for how they revolutionized the league and the amount of rings they each won. Greats but not the best.

You hit reason #1 on the head. What's out there is it. His untimely passing is part of his legacy. Your #2 point is somewhat amusing. You are literally using THE ENTIRE GEN Z GENERATION, born between 1997-2012, give or take a year, of the ENTIRE WORLD, as a reason that prices WONT CLIMB? Just using that data, how many 13-28 year olds can afford a $1500-$2500 Kobe Bryant Auto? But wait, when they are in their 30's and 40's....they just might be able to and I'm sure willing to shell out $3500-$4500 for one. In general though, many said the same about Mickey Mantle and his prices. They seem to be doing pretty good.

Prices have risen slowly since the last I checked a couple years ago.

[bjho852]

Man, I really do wish that Kobe auto prices will really drop, so that I can acquire just a few more. The primary supply chain (card companies, paid signings, etc.) has been cut, so what's out there is not infinite.

And same wish for MJ auto's as well lol, if not trading cards, then maybe small size non-trading card items, like 8x10's. Still expensive, but more relatively affordable when compared with cards.

[rnocards]

Originally Posted by bjho852

Man, I really do wish that Kobe auto prices will really drop, so that I can acquire just a few more. The primary supply chain (card companies, paid signings, etc.) has been cut, so what's out there is not infinite.

And same wish for MJ auto's as well lol, if not trading cards, then maybe small size non-trading card items, like 8x10's. Still expensive, but more relatively affordable when compared with cards.

And those 8x10 photo autos can be turned into custom cut auto cards, which I would love to have of Jordan one day.

[mwf94]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Prices have risen slowly since the last I checked a couple years ago.

The prices on EVERYTHING has risen in the last couple years. Dudes that had 1 all-star appearance have had rising prices, this isn't an argument.

Death buffer does not work as magically as you think it does.

Kindly explain to me why Magic Johnson has had low prices despite doing a very similar amount for the game that Kobe did.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by mwf94

The prices on EVERYTHING has risen in the last couple years. Dudes that had 1 all-star appearance have had rising prices, this isn't an argument.

Death buffer does not work as magically as you think it does.

Kindly explain to me why Magic Johnson has had low prices despite doing a very similar amount for the game that Kobe did.

First if all if you're talking about autos...Magic Johnson signs for everybody and has for years. He signs and has signed for multiple companies including unlicensed stuff for years.also Magic played in an era where his playing day cards were overproduced. He doesn't have super rare playing day inserts or serial numbered cards etc. That stuff matters. I still would assume his nicer patch autos (like exquisite, immaculate etc) fetch a pretty penny. Kobe cards come from a different era. That stuff matters

[jzx1103]

Ive said this before and ill say it again. The biggest difference between Kobe and Magic in this hobby is that Kobe has a crazy collectors market overseas compared to Magic Johnson, epecially in China and the Philippines that tremendously affect the value of their cards. For whatever reason there are folks in this sub that either just want to be blatantly ignorant of this fact, or don't want to believe it. I've sold so many high end Kobe cards since the Pandemic and 80% of them are buyers from China. And before some of you guys are also ignorant of this fact, I can tell you that there are also lots and lots of folks in China with deep pockets, no less than here in the U.S. Also the reason why people in Asia care wayyyyy more about Kobe vs Magic is because Kobe played during the hey-days of NBA popularity in Asia, which is late 90s to the 2000s. Barely anyone in Asia got to watch the NBA in the 80s thus Magic got a lot less exposure there. It's not always about career achievements when it comes to value in this hobby otherwise Tim Duncan would be one of the most expensive hobby value-wise.