Patrick Mahomes Prices

[jjrpilot]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

I can remember at the beginning of the year I told people to tread lightly on buying Mahomes super high end cards not because I thought he was gonna get hurt but because this team would be in a downfall Think about it what this team currently had HOF QB, Coach, and Def Coordinator and mustered up 6 wins so far. This team needs a major rehaul and I doubt Andy Reid coaches until that happens Mahomes card prices will fall- thats what happens with the uncertainty of a injury

Bingo. So many in KC are still trying to gobble up his stuff...I've told a few of my hobby buddies here to let stuff go.

[daveyc1]

I think that it is possible that Mahomes can rehab his brains out and get cleared to return by week 1. I also think that KC management needs to tether him for his own good.

the news that the LCL was also affected is not good news. from what I read, it should not impact the speed of recovery, but having another comprimised ligament in that knee will affect long term stability and risk of reinjury. I agree with the above poster, PUP him for the first 4 games next year and give that knee the extra time to get strong. 26 will almost certainly not be a SB year for KC anyways. why risk the franchise? It is going to take him a full year of play to feel right again.

Patrick is really going to hate that knee as he ages. it will be an arthritis magnet.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

I think that it is possible that Mahomes can rehab his brains out and get cleared to return by week 1. I also think that KC management needs to tether him for his own good.

the news that the LCL was also affected is not good news. from what I read, it should not impact the speed of recovery, but having another comprimised ligament in that knee will affect long term stability and risk of reinjury. I agree with the above poster, PUP him for the first 4 games next year and give that knee the extra time to get strong. 26 will almost certainly not be a SB year for KC anyways. why risk the franchise? It is going to take him a full year of play to feel right again.

Patrick is really going to hate that knee as he ages. it will be an arthritis magnet.

Like I said in an earlier post, If I was KC, I would let 2026 be a wash and concentrate on 2027 and beyond.

[jbabz84]

Has anybody picked up some nice cheap Mahomes cards since they can't make the playoffs anymore?
Or are sellers still listing cards high on eBay since they are heavily invested in him and don't want to lose too much $$

[starfox]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Evaluate your Mahomes collections and start selling boys. Dont be the bag holder. Hold the cards you absolutely love and sell the rest.



This coaching staff and their play calling is insane.

Don't listen to this. Mahomes is already a Hall of Famer. His cards will dip, but only a little. Brady and Manning each won at least on SB after suffering a major injury.

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[starfox]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Great buying opportunities for Kermit fans incoming! I'm seeing a pretty big sell-off incoming for the next 6 months.

I would hold, unless I have multiple Mahomes, or if I'm in too deep.

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[Tea10]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Bingo. So many in KC are still trying to gobble up his stuff...I've told a few of my hobby buddies here to let stuff go.

I got a PSA 10 Donruss the Rookies up for sale, it's been at 799.99 prior to the injury I'm willing to negotiate on that if people are actually "gobbling" up Mahomes cards.

In regards to other comments above, I agree completely. Won't happen because players want to play and teams want to sell tickets and fans will remain optimistic...

But getting a top 10-15 pick this year and then tanking 2026 for a top 5-10 pick would be the best way to kickstart a dynasty 2.0 for the Chiefs. Won't happen though.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

I think that it is possible that Mahomes can rehab his brains out and get cleared to return by week 1. I also think that KC management needs to tether him for his own good.

the news that the LCL was also affected is not good news. from what I read, it should not impact the speed of recovery, but having another comprimised ligament in that knee will affect long term stability and risk of reinjury. I agree with the above poster, PUP him for the first 4 games next year and give that knee the extra time to get strong. 26 will almost certainly not be a SB year for KC anyways. why risk the franchise? It is going to take him a full year of play to feel right again.

Patrick is really going to hate that knee as he ages. it will be an arthritis magnet.

That's just the thing: the Chiefs should have shelved Mahomes once they knew the knee injury was no small thing. Now, we don't know if Mahomes will ever be the same. Maybe he will; maybe he won't. The Chiefs weren't going anywhere this year; we could all see it. It's been a pattern since 2024 when they played in nearly all close games.
Now, you have no Mahomes for the rest of this season and probably half of 2026. Management failed Mahomes. They should have shelved him and told him they'd give him better help next season. Chiefs Management failed big time. I know hindsight is always 20/20, but shutting Mahomes down for the season was the only thing to do. In doing so, you'd have him ready to go for 2026 with no significant double knee ligament injury. But as a collector and flipper, I'd still hold. Mahomes is top five all time.

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[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Tea10

I got a PSA 10 Donruss the Rookies up for sale, it's been at 799.99 prior to the injury I'm willing to negotiate on that if people are actually "gobbling" up Mahomes cards.

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[KardsC1]

Mahomes resume so far is more than just SBs…chiefs dynasty was huge in American sports and beyond the US….i think people are underestimating the collectibility of Mahomes….all his desirable cards will continue to be sought after …if your selling, I’ll be buying:

Gold Prizms
Black finites
3 color NT RPAs

I’m focused on collecting his best cards for my collection ..money is not the end goal

The highlight reels can never be deleted , he has those in droves

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by starfox

Don't listen to this. Mahomes is already a Hall of Famer. His cards will dip, but only a little. Brady and Manning each won at least on SB after suffering a major injury.

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Both were pure pocket passers before and after injury.

MyHomie is going to have to learn that skill post injury if he wants a longish career.

[TheCrow]

In February 2021, just hours before Mahomes went to his second Super Bowl and his prices were peaking, I won an auction on eBay for his 2017 Crown Royale Platinum /49 RC. The card was raw, listed as "Like New" and judging by the photos could have potentially graded as a PSA 10. I paid $470 for it. I still own it, and think it would grade a 9 at the worst. An auction for a PSA 8 of the same card just ended less than an hour ago, with people bidding up until the very last few seconds. That card sold for $440. It's just one card, but I figured it's worth mentioning for the comp.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Both were pure pocket passers before and after injury.

MyHomie is going to have to learn that skill post injury if he wants a longish career.

In today's game, a quarterback has to be able to move. Not like Lamar, but not be a statue also. If anyone can change his game, it's Mahomes. It would be foolish now to sell his cards unless you just need to, or you're making a very good profit. Mahomes will be fine, but will they get him adequate help. That's the true unknown.

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[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by starfox

In today's game, a quarterback has to be able to move. Not like Lamar, but not be a statue also. If anyone can change his game, it's Mahomes. It would be foolish now to sell his cards unless you just need to, or you're making a very good profit. Mahomes will be fine, but will they get him adequate help. That's the true unknown.

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not accurate. this perspective has been discussed at length. A big reason we are seeing so many running QB's is because QB development has slowed considerably in recent years. This is happening in both college and the NFL, because it is easier for players to play on instinct and rely on athleticism than to develop mechanics/endlessly study film and playbooks.

but remember, athleticism is the first thing to go.

in years past, Qb's drafted were often given a year to learn the pro game before they were thrown into the mix. now they are expected to play right away. this is why we are seeing less complex college schemes like RPO in the pro game. guys running around waiting for a defense to break down. no development time for young players

Brady and Manning have expressed this very thing. It is the "dumbing down" of QB play/offense in the NFL.

I believe that current QB's like patrick, josh, lamar etc could definitely run an offense as complicated as Bradys patriots offense was, it would just take a LOT of time and effort to learn it and learn how to play in the pocket and learn how to shorten their mechanics to get the ball out fast.

for example, this season, here are some TTT (time to throw) stats (in seconds):
Maye 2.75
Allen 2.80
Mahomes 2.67
Allen had his fastest ttt game in his career this season with a 2.27

45 year old Tom brady AVERAGED 2.27 seconds ttt in his last season with the Bucs. the other guys, minus Maye, should be in their athletic primes.

It takes an extreme amount of study/practice and skill to get to that level. and an extreme amount of off season work with WR to keep the skill level high.

this style of play also helps out the OL in a BIG way. you can more easily squeak by with a sub par line if the QB can get rid of the ball.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Mahomes resume so far is more than just SBs…chiefs dynasty was huge in American sports and beyond the US….i think people are underestimating the collectibility of Mahomes….all his desirable cards will continue to be sought after …if your selling, I’ll be buying:

Gold Prizms
Black finites
3 color NT RPAs

I’m focused on collecting his best cards for my collection ..money is not the end goal

The highlight reels can never be deleted , he has those in droves

this is correct. Mahomes is more than SBs. his 2018-2022 were fantastic seasons!!! He is also very likeable by the masses. I think now would be the worst time to sell off Patricks cards. seems like this is a real low point. If I were going to sell off, I would wait until the week before he returns from this knee.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Mahomes resume so far is more than just SBs…chiefs dynasty was huge in American sports and beyond the US….i think people are underestimating the collectibility of Mahomes….all his desirable cards will continue to be sought after …if your selling, I’ll be buying:

Gold Prizms
Black finites
3 color NT RPAs

I’m focused on collecting his best cards for my collection ..money is not the end goal

The highlight reels can never be deleted , he has those in droves

This is key and the reason Mahomes stuff (especially the high end) won't see much of a dip.

All it takes are 2 people with this mindset and I have a feeling there are way more then 2 people out there. I'd be one of them if I could afford high-end Mahomes. Will be looking for a nice red contenders optic auto RC so if anyone is selling, please let me know.

Not sure about how impactful the Chiefs reign has been internationally though. Are football cards that popular worldwide? Curious to see what sports are most collectible outside the US. My guess would be:

-basketball
-soccer
-baseball
-hockey
-football
-F1

Maybe football over hockey.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

not accurate. this perspective has been discussed at length. A big reason we are seeing so many running QB's is because QB development has slowed considerably in recent years. This is happening in both college and the NFL, because it is easier for players to play on instinct and rely on athleticism than to develop mechanics/endlessly study film and playbooks.

but remember, athleticism is the first thing to go.

in years past, Qb's drafted were often given a year to learn the pro game before they were thrown into the mix. now they are expected to play right away. this is why we are seeing less complex college schemes like RPO in the pro game. guys running around waiting for a defense to break down. no development time for young players

Brady and Manning have expressed this very thing. It is the "dumbing down" of QB play/offense in the NFL.

I believe that current QB's like patrick, josh, lamar etc could definitely run an offense as complicated as Bradys patriots offense was, it would just take a LOT of time and effort to learn it and learn how to play in the pocket and learn how to shorten their mechanics to get the ball out fast.

for example, this season, here are some TTT (time to throw) stats (in seconds):
Maye 2.75
Allen 2.80
Mahomes 2.67
Allen had his fastest ttt game in his career this season with a 2.27

45 year old Tom brady AVERAGED 2.27 seconds ttt in his last season with the Bucs. the other guys, minus Maye, should be in their athletic primes.

It takes an extreme amount of study/practice and skill to get to that level. and an extreme amount of off season work with WR to keep the skill level high.

this style of play also helps out the OL in a BIG way. you can more easily squeak by with a sub par line if the QB can get rid of the ball.

Not accurate. The league doesn't have so many mobile QBs now, due to both the NCAA and NFL refusing to develop QBs. That's just lazy.

Todays game is faster than in the past. The surfaces players play on is faster. The players themselves are faster due to tech and training. Everything got ramped up due to game speed.

Modern offenses use Read-Option plays (RPOs) and spread formations, which create space and confusion for defenders, making the QB a legitimate run threat

The league has seen a rise in athleticism, producing faster defenders better suited to cover mobile QBs

Defenses now use faster linebackers or safeties (spies) to shadow mobile QBs

NFL rules protecting quarterbacks from hits have made running less dangerous, encouraging more attempts compared to the past.

Its all a game of chess. Not lack of coaching.

[dbpsooner]

It seems like some in here conflate the idea that having the ability to run means you are not a pocket passer. Guys like Brady and Manning did not have the physical ability to scramble like Allen, Mahomes and even Rodgers. Due to their lack of mobility, they were forced to be field generals from the pocket. No one did it better than those two, but a lot of that was forced on them based on their athletic deficiencies.

Just because guys like Allen and Mahomes rely on their legs frequently doesn't mean as they age they will not make adjustments. They just haven't needed to make that adjustment at this point in their careers.

Brady will always be the GOAT because of his success and longevity. The way he took care of his body, taking less money to build better teams around him, the constant drive to be the best, reading defenses, making quick decisions...

The interesting question for me would be, would Brady have been as good with the athleticism of say a Josh Allen. Would that have made him even better or taken away from those strengths that make him the best ever. Think of a a blind man whose other senses are amplified as a result of having to rely on them more. It is an interesting question to consider. On the flip side, will guys like Allen and Mahomes ever be able to reach the pocket potential of a Brady or Manning once forced to rely on it more. The answer to these questions will play out over time.

[Earlsnake07]

Originally Posted by Tea10

I got a PSA 10 Donruss the Rookies up for sale, it's been at 799.99 prior to the injury I'm willing to negotiate on that if people are actually "gobbling" up Mahomes cards.

In regards to other comments above, I agree completely. Won't happen because players want to play and teams want to sell tickets and fans will remain optimistic...

But getting a top 10-15 pick this year and then tanking 2026 for a top 5-10 pick would be the best way to kickstart a dynasty 2.0 for the Chiefs. Won't happen though.

I am interested in the 10 "the rookies". Shoot me what you are looking for on it please.

[KardsC1]

Yes, chiefs football has had an international liking…mainly Western Europe…I have also seen on YouTube Asian collectors in china grabbing more Mahomes cards..

As for pocket passer vs a running qb..we don’t have to worry so much.:mahomes does both

Getting the ball out quick is what makes a qb dink n dunk..mahomes has been good at that ….i do believe in today’s game, it’s Crucial to be both…look at Goff, he struggles if his Oline is not 💯….

I’m a mahomes guy and I can say Allen has been the better overall qb the last few seasons…put this version of Josh Allen on the patriots in the past, they would have won 10 SBs

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Mahomes resume so far is more than just SBs…chiefs dynasty was huge in American sports and beyond the US….i think people are underestimating the collectibility of Mahomes….all his desirable cards will continue to be sought after …if your selling, I’ll be buying:

Gold Prizms
Black finites
3 color NT RPAs

I’m focused on collecting his best cards for my collection ..money is not the end goal

The highlight reels can never be deleted , he has those in droves

People who own the cards you listed above will not be selling because they would most likely be taking a 20-30% loss on those His most collected card is the Panini Optic PSA 10 which is currently down about 15% Highlight reels and collectibility are NOT going to keep his card values level lol

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

People who own the cards you listed above will not be selling because they would most likely be taking a 20-30% loss on those His most collected card is the Panini Optic PSA 10 which is currently down about 15% Highlight reels and collectibility are NOT going to keep his card values level lol

The hobby is founded by collecting …not speculating nor investing …people collect based on fandom … you think all these MJ or Kobe holders are buying simply because of $$?

Believe it or not, the majority of the hobby is still collectors ..there are of course a lot of flippers/investor types too

Of course a common card like you stated will take a dip…those are readily available..any common card is up for fluctuations..Kobe or MJ…

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by Grid

Not accurate. The league doesn't have so many mobile QBs now, due to both the NCAA and NFL refusing to develop QBs. That's just lazy.

Todays game is faster than in the past. The surfaces players play on is faster. The players themselves are faster due to tech and training. Everything got ramped up due to game speed.

Modern offenses use Read-Option plays (RPOs) and spread formations, which create space and confusion for defenders, making the QB a legitimate run threat

The league has seen a rise in athleticism, producing faster defenders better suited to cover mobile QBs

Defenses now use faster linebackers or safeties (spies) to shadow mobile QBs

NFL rules protecting quarterbacks from hits have made running less dangerous, encouraging more attempts compared to the past.

Its all a game of chess. Not lack of coaching.

oh boy, this is just wrong.

it is not a normal progression for a sport to become less complex. it is because of the huge rush to get to the next best thing. the fastest way to do it is to "dumb it down" it is exactly "lazy coaching"

less complex schoolyard ball.

lets see how that style of play ages. I will answer it for you, it will age like milk.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

oh boy, this is just wrong.

it is not a normal progression for a sport to become less complex. it is because of the huge rush to get to the next best thing. the fastest way to do it is to "dumb it down" it is exactly "lazy coaching"

less complex schoolyard ball.

lets see how that style of play ages. I will answer it for you, it will age like milk.

You are confusing hybrid play, with being less complex. Many of these top tier modern QBs aren't running because they cant throw very well. They are doing both.

No one is buying that Harbaugh is a lazy coach, and thats why Lamar runs. Or that McDermott needs to dumb down Josh Allen. So he lets him run. Eluding a pass rush and buying time is now a sought after commodity in QB play. That is the "Mahomes Magic" you've heard for the past 8 seasons.

Being mobile and illusive is exactly what you want in todays NFL due to the speed of the game. And that speed lead to all the changes I already mentioned.

Max Protect and Manning or Brees picking people off from a clean pocket just isn't today's NFL. And it has nothing to do with rushing QBs to play. Sorry to be the one to tell you this.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Yes, chiefs football has had an international liking…mainly Western Europe…I have also seen on YouTube Asian collectors in china grabbing more Mahomes cards..

As for pocket passer vs a running qb..we don’t have to worry so much.:mahomes does both

Getting the ball out quick is what makes a qb dink n dunk..mahomes has been good at that ….i do believe in today’s game, it’s Crucial to be both…look at Goff, he struggles if his Oline is not 💯….

I’m a mahomes guy and I can say Allen has been the better overall qb the last few seasons…put this version of Josh Allen on the patriots in the past, they would have won 10 SBs

LMAO. Nice Try.

Brady won on every team he was on. Before him, the most super bowls a qb won was 4. And Allen could have won 10? Hahahahaha.