Top 5 current baseball players to collect/invest

[Slvnumber2]

Heard a discussion at a show on top current active players to buy and collect from an ROI standpoint and #1 player was obviously Ohtani with Judge in second. After that it was scattered as far as players to buy for short and long term. Overall the list was as follows and who would you change?

1. Ohtani
2. Judge
3. Skenes
4. Witt Jr
5. Raleigh/Kurtz/Elly

For the 5 spot many names came up with Kurtz having potential after a big rookie year, and if he goes to a bigger media market that is a huge help. Raleigh had a huge year last year but not a lot of hobby love - can he repeat the same type of year. Elly is a 40/40 guy and very young at 23, and played the second half with a partially torn quad. Was super hot in 2023/24 and can he return to form?🤔

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

Heard a discussion at a show on top current active players to buy and collect from an ROI standpoint and #1 player was obviously Ohtani with Judge in second. After that it was scattered as far as players to buy for short and long term. Overall the list was as follows and who would you change?

1. Ohtani
2. Judge
3. Skenes
4. Witt Jr
5. Raleigh/Kurtz/Elly

For the 5 spot many names came up with Kurtz having potential after a big rookie year, and if he goes to a bigger media market that is a huge help. Raleigh had a huge year last year but not a lot of hobby love - can he repeat the same type of year. Elly is a 40/40 guy and very young at 23, and played the second half with a partially torn quad. Was super hot in 2023/24 and can he return to form?

I would just do the top two and forget about the others.

Edit: I’m doing Juan as well. So 3

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[StateEx]

Any ROI conversation that's focused on players that already command top-dollar seems kind of off.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by StateEx

Any ROI conversation that's focused on players that already command top-dollar seems kind of off.

Yep.....how much more upside to players like Ohtani & Judge actually have? It would be almost impossible for them to top their current level of on-field performance, and they're going to be signing cards for the next 40-50 years (like Nolan Ryan).

If I had to pick ONE major league player to invest in right now, it would be someone like Corbin Carroll, who's fallen under the radar, but looks like he's going to be a perennial 30-30 player and a shoo-in to make the 300-300 club in about 7-8 years.

Another terrific under-the-radar player is Jose Ramirez, who will join the 300-300 club next year, has a decent shot at becoming only the second member of the 400-400 club in about five years, and will almost certainly be a 1st ballot HOFer.

[hermanotarjeta]

Maybe OP intended this to be a “HOT list”?

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by StateEx

Any ROI conversation that's focused on players that already command top-dollar seems kind of off.

100%.

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by StateEx

Any ROI conversation that's focused on players that already command top-dollar seems kind of off.

Look at basketball. I’m sure the same was said about MJ.

What about a Dodgers 3 peat? Or a Judge WS win?

Who right now will challenge their MVP contention next season?

There is still plenty of upside for #1 and #2 in my opinion.

For a shorter term investment who are the players going to be called up this coming season? Those would be the best ROI, no?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Twalk1975]

What kind of time frame are we talking about? Kurtz isn't going to a bigger media market anytime soon. Moving to Vegas is still two years away, but im assuming this refers to free agency.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Maybe OP intended this to be a “HOT list”?

OP already has a hot list in my PC which are PSA well centered examples of Mantle, Aaron, Mays, Bench, Ryan, Ted Williams, Koufax, Schmidt…

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

OP already has a hot list in my PC which are PSA well centered examples of Mantle, Aaron, Mays, Bench, Ryan, Ted Williams, Koufax, Schmidt…

Oh, so you really do mean ROI.

Over the next season, is it more likely that an Ohtani bowman chrome auto goes from $25,000 to $75,000, or a bowman chrome Caminero auto goes from $200 to $600?

Your list may represent the worst ROI guys.

Your safest bet is to buy low, sell high. Not buy at the peak and hope it leads to an even higher peak at triple the current high.

[theshowandme]

The gap between 1 and 2 is massive

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Oh, so you really do mean ROI.

Over the next season, is it more likely that an Ohtani bowman chrome auto goes from $25,000 to $75,000, or a bowman chrome Caminero auto goes from $200 to $600?

Your list may represent the worst ROI guys.

Your safest bet is to buy low, sell high. Not buy at the peak and hope it leads to an even higher peak at triple the current high.

Does not matter to me since I don’t collect modern. Was just creating a discussion since i heard some modern guys discussing the hobby and who they felt were the top modern guys. I am putting my card money in guys like GOAT’s like Bench, Ryan, Koufax, Mantle, and Aaron.

Only thing we have learned so far from your post is your reading comprehension is not very good. Where did I say I was picking up the top 5 guys listed?

[boxbuster7]

The Kurtz narrative is actually insane...

you guys are nuts

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

Does not matter to me since I don’t collect modern. Was just creating a discussion since i heard some modern guys discussing the hobby and who they felt were the top modern guys. I am putting my card money in guys like GOAT’s like Bench, Ryan, Koufax, Mantle, and Aaron.

Only thing we have learned so far from your post is your reading comprehension is not very good. Where did I say I was picking up the top 5 guys listed?

Where did I say you were picking up the top 5 guys listed?

[hermanotarjeta]

Skubal prices are still pretty low going in to next season.

Maybe a third cy young will bring his cards to that next level?

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Oh, so you really do mean ROI.

Over the next season, is it more likely that an Ohtani bowman chrome auto goes from $25,000 to $75,000, or a bowman chrome Caminero auto goes from $200 to $600?

Your list may represent the worst ROI guys.

Your safest bet is to buy low, sell high. Not buy at the peak and hope it leads to an even higher peak at triple the current high.

Interesting, you just made me think of a lesson from a Finance class.
A $200 card goes to $1,000 and your rate of return is 500% & an EV of $800

A $5,000 card goes to $15,000 and your rate of return is 300% but EV = $10,000

Would you rather have the 5x rate of return or the 3x ?

The answer really is the EV of $10,000 >> $800

[dani0100]

Charizard, Pikachu, MewTwo, Umbreon, and Gengar. These players will out perform all MLB players.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

Interesting, you just made me think of a lesson from a Finance class.
A $200 card goes to $1,000 and your rate of return is 500% & an EV of $800

A $5,000 card goes to $15,000 and your rate of return is 300% but EV = $10,000

Would you rather have the 5x rate of return or the 3x ?

The answer really is the EV of $10,000 >> $800

Yes, but you can buy 125 camineros for the same price as one Ohtani, at an equal initial investment.

So an equal investment of $25,000 in each player could make the Caminero investment better.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

The gap between 1 and 2 is massive

and growing between 2 and everyone else

[Trueblue]

The comments in this thread consider potential upside, but do not consider the downside of an off-season or injury. The established players are going to have a higher floor. The downside should be weighed with the upside.

Selling fees and labor should also be considered. Nobody wants to buy a $1 card, double up to $2 and then have to sell 2,000 copies.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

The comments in this thread consider potential upside, but do not consider the downside of an off-season or injury. The established players are going to have a higher floor. The downside should be weighed with the upside.

Selling fees and labor should also be considered. Nobody wants to buy a $1 card, double up to $2 and then have to sell 2,000 copies.

Another factor is considering the market breadth for a $75,000 card versus a $5 card.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Another factor is considering the market breadth for a $75,000 card versus a $5 card.

It really depends on the player and historical relevance of accomplishments. I don't think anybody is losing sleep owning a $75K Jordan. I would however be very nervous owning a Kurtz Red BCA.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

It really depends on the player and historical relevance of accomplishments. I don't think anybody is losing sleep owning a $75K Jordan. I would however be very nervous owning a Kurtz Red BCA.

But we are discussing ROI. I’ll argue it’s riskier to realize triple your investment on a single five figure card compared to multiple three figured cards.

As for the Kurtz, yes I’d be really nervous.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

The Kurtz narrative is actually insane...

you guys are nuts

As someone who really likes Kurtz… I completely agree. His prices are silly right now.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

But we are discussing ROI. I’ll argue it’s riskier to realize triple your investment on a single five figure card compared to multiple three figured cards.

I understand the discussion has been centered on ROI - but the title does say "invest."

I'm just saying it's foolish to hyper focus on upside as strictly a percentage while ignoring downside.