Patrick Mahomes Prices

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I did not ever for the life of me envision the Chiefs being sub-500 at this point in the season and in a worse position than the Cowgirls.

Think it's quite evident Mahomes' deep ball arm strength has been steadily regressing. Even the completions have either been off target or underthrown which have throttled would-be easy td's into fresh sets of downs.

He's still so damn good and arguably still a top 3 qb in the league. The onus is on the rest of these young dweebs to seize the opportunity this year with KC potentially sidelined.

Hurts winning again won't be shifting any conversations.

Agreed on the arm strength. The deep ball has been a problem for years. Now it’s really a problem. Seriously calls into question his longevity potential. He’s going to need a Brees like second half of his career.

He’s not top 3 anymore. Not even close. You’d really take Mahomes over Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Stafford, Maye, Goff, and Love right now?

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Agreed on the arm strength. The deep ball has been a problem for years. Now it’s really a problem. Seriously calls into question his longevity potential. He’s going to need a Brees like second half of his career.

He’s not top 3 anymore. Not even close. You’d really take Mahomes over Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Stafford, Maye, Goff, and Love right now?

agreed. he is not sniffing top 3 currently.

I was listening to a Chiefs podcast this week and they were commenting on the lack of deep ball arm strength. They mentioned that years ago, Patrick could heave it 60-70 yards down field when necessary. on Sunday, he labored to throw one 42 yards I believe they said.

lack of arm strenght would also explain his lack of deep ball accuracy. When you labor more to get distance, accuracy will naturally decrease. He was never especially great at deep balls, he had Hills ability to run down long throws for years. since his departure, the deep ball has been an issue.

[pejc300]

How do you all reckon one loses arm strength so quickly? Doesn't seem like something that would just disappear at age 30. Manning at 37? Sure. Genuinely curious on your thoughts.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by pejc300

How do you all reckon one loses arm strength so quickly? Doesn't seem like something that would just disappear at age 30. Manning at 37? Sure. Genuinely curious on your thoughts.

Must be his shoulder.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by pejc300

How do you all reckon one loses arm strength so quickly? Doesn't seem like something that would just disappear at age 30. Manning at 37? Sure. Genuinely curious on your thoughts.

Judging by his rotund middle section I don’t envision him as one who cares about treating his body like it’s his ticket to future success.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by pejc300

How do you all reckon one loses arm strength so quickly? Doesn't seem like something that would just disappear at age 30. Manning at 37? Sure. Genuinely curious on your thoughts.

I explained it a while back. He generates a lot of torque via the flexibility in his spine which is unique to him as most quarterbacks drive the ball mostly with their legs. Remember Nolan Ryan? One reason he was able to throw so fast was because he had really strong legs.

Spine flexibility is a blessing and a curse. Unfortunately, it becomes more rigid in your 30’s. I know mahomes does exercises for his back and core muscles but Father Time always wins.

Sincerely,

The “terrible troll”who spewed facts but got blown off and blocked by mostly everyone in this thread who preferred to bury their head in the sand.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by pejc300

How do you all reckon one loses arm strength so quickly? Doesn't seem like something that would just disappear at age 30. Manning at 37? Sure. Genuinely curious on your thoughts.

probably some sort of injury. or general wear and tear. It is a bit surprising at age 30 though.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

probably some sort of injury. or general wear and tear. It is a bit surprising at age 30 though.

Not surprising at all. Mahomes was built in a unique way.

Now I know what a German WW2 General felt like serving under the fuhrer. Dismissed,ignored, escorted by armed guards out of the fuhrer’s office despite being right. Sigh.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

probably some sort of injury. or general wear and tear. It is a bit surprising at age 30 though.

Someone get Tallguy1991 on the case!

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...homes+shoulder

[JWBlue]

Does anyone think getting the Chiefs at +4600 to win the Super Bowl is a good value?

[Brazenways]

Sounds like he needs to get a new couch to sleep on.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Judging by his rotund middle section I don’t envision him as one who cares about treating his body like it’s his ticket to future success.

You should take a look at his workout routines over the summer.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by pejc300

You should take a look at his workout routines over the summer.

They don’t seem to be working.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

If it was strictly a shoulder issue, the point of emphasis going into this year wouldn’t have been to throw more deep passes to these speedy receivers.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by pejc300

How do you all reckon one loses arm strength so quickly? Doesn't seem like something that would just disappear at age 30. Manning at 37? Sure. Genuinely curious on your thoughts.

I don't think he's lost much arm strength at all. On the shot he took to Tyquan Thornton in the endzone at the 55ish yard line he threw it off balance, basically all arm, and still made it easily to where he wanted it to go. Chiefs have much bigger problems than Mahomes's arm strength.

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by kipgen

I don't think he's lost much arm strength at all. On the shot he took to Tyquan Thornton in the endzone at the 55ish yard line he threw it off balance, basically all arm, and still made it easily to where he wanted it to go. Chiefs have much bigger problems than Mahomes's arm strength.

And he had 70 yards in the air on the TD in the super bowl. What film are these guys watching? His arm is as strong as ever. Accuracy is more of the issue, although that being said he couldn't have handed the ball to Tyquan in the endzone any better than he threw it Sunday.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

And he had 70 yards in the air on the TD in the super bowl. What film are these guys watching? His arm is as strong as ever. Accuracy is more of the issue, although that being said he couldn't have handed the ball to Tyquan in the endzone any better than he threw it Sunday.

Yeah, didn't even bother to comment on that. Whoever said he struggled to throw it 42 yards obviously hasn't been watching the games. His arm strength isn't the issue.

[imbluestreak23]

Arm strength is not an issue

I actually think he's played pretty well. Stats are stats, don't tell the full story, or as much of the story like a 162 game baseball season.

Sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way, and this year the ball has bounced against KC, whereas previously they seemed to have all of the luck.

Still plenty of holes to fix as well as address a stale offensive scheme, that surprisingly still was top 5 in the NFL despite a gauntlet schedule.

KC playing a 3rd place divisional schedule in 2026 should be fun to watch.

[Earlsnake07]

All I can say is maybe this season was the culmination of all the AFC championship games/SB hangover all wrapped up into one season

Anyone who actually WATCHES the full games could tell that this team seemed off from game 1 in Brazil.

This team does not typically start slow, make mental mistakes, have massive penalties and a poor special teams....ALL this year all were constant issues.

PM and the Chiefs will get right...but let's say they don't......just to play devil's advocate.

PM has had arguably the best 8 (7 if you are only counting starting) years in professional sports. He did exactly what every sports team fans dream of.... literally turn a poor franchise around to a championship team in an extremely short period of time - while consistent.

If he doesn't play another snap of football he is still going down AS OF THE MOMENT as a top 5 QB in history.

Just throwing a few things out after reading some of the comments over the past few weeks.

Also.....shocker that ol buddy couldn't stay away and was insta-banned because of his deep-rooted hatred. My guess is at least 2 more attempts to come back and hang with us

[chompie99]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Arm strength is not an issue

I actually think he's played pretty well. Stats are stats, don't tell the full story, or as much of the story like a 162 game baseball season.

Sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way, and this year the ball has bounced against KC, whereas previously they seemed to have all of the luck.

Still plenty of holes to fix as well as address a stale offensive scheme, that surprisingly still was top 5 in the NFL despite a gauntlet schedule.

KC playing a 3rd place divisional schedule in 2026 should be fun to watch.

You have described regression to the mean in terms of one score games at least. Obviously they haven’t been as good as far as making plays when they need them the most this year on both sides of the ball.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Jimmy and Sean aren’t going anywhere. The game plan going forward continues to be run the ball and play tough physical defense. Those are two major headwinds continuing forward. If Mendoza goes to the raiders, he could be a solid Kirk cousins type that will make them somewhat competitive.

Josh Allen has been under center more often this year than at any time in his career. If more teams have their QBs under center and grind it out in the AFC that’s gonna be a huge problem.

And Reid is almost 70. How much longer is he coaching? Spags is just a few years younger than him. Then you got big cap decisions that have to be made.

Mahomes hasn’t proven he can play without kelce. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt compared to people saying Brady needed Belichick? He needed to go somewhere else to prove those people wrong. I basically have a 6 point intelligence report as to why it’s going to be tough going from here on out.

[boxbuster7]

At least the conspiracy that the nfl scripted the chiefs three super bowls can finally be put to rest

[JWBlue]

I think missing the playoffs might benefit the Chiefs next season.

I hope the narrative that Mahomes is declining continues into the offseason. I will be pouring money into a futures wager of the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl in 2027.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

At least the conspiracy that the nfl scripted the chiefs three super bowls can finally be put to rest

Not so sure about that. The NBA dudes getting rounded up by the FBI put the NFL refs on notice. They couldn’t continue on the same path for fear of ending up with the same fate.

[Baraka]

https://x.com/royalsminors/status/1840540083935683027

Maybe it's an OC problem.