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[daveyc1]

personally, I would MUCH rather have a Champ ticket than any Brady Kaboom.

they are just not my thing

[Tonic3]

Originally Posted by DaveedTO

2005 Finest 1/1 (BACK) the die cut edges are pretty bad!
https://www.psacard.com/cert/134779368/psa



2006 Finest 1/1...is pretty nice!

Thanks for posting better pics of the 2006. Ya, I was the one who had the 2006 graded, mostly just to protect it. It doesn't really matter what the grade is in the end given it's a 1/1.

I will say I was pretty shocked when it graded a 10. After I sold it for $5K at a local card show the card actually was resold on eBay a few months later. It sold at eBay auction for around $4.9K at that time if my memory serves. So I suppose I got fair market value for it

[6GOAT789]

What year did you sell it?

If 2019….brutal since at that point might as well hold long term, then of course selling in 2020/2021, just didn’t know it yet

If say 2012 then owell! Seems right for that long ago

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Got my first Brady rookie/auto! Very happy with this one and happy to have a card of the


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Congrats on the card, how much did it run you?

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by Tea10

Congrats on the card, how much did it run you?

Thank you! A little over market. But I’m fine paying a bit over for a Brady


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[6GOAT789]

Look at the standings, that’s basically it for KC’s playoff hopes

With them and maybe Baltimore out, you’d think the bills would be number 1 and not in the wildcard

Crazy season!

Who are you rooting for? I’m sort of hoping for the rams, so all the talk isn’t about some new young qb with his first ring.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Look at the standings, that’s basically it for KC’s playoff hopes

With them and maybe Baltimore out, you’d think the bills would be number 1 and not in the wildcard

Crazy season!

Who are you rooting for? I’m sort of hoping for the rams, so all the talk isn’t about some new young qb with his first ring.

I think Rams will represent the NFC. AFC honestly is anyone’s guess


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[Blazed]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

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Rarity + nostalgia + FOMO + validation = dumb money well spent

Crazy

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Look at the standings, that’s basically it for KC’s playoff hopes

With them and maybe Baltimore out, you’d think the bills would be number 1 and not in the wildcard

Crazy season!

Who are you rooting for? I’m sort of hoping for the rams, so all the talk isn’t about some new young qb with his first ring.

Rooting for the Patriots.

just spitballing here, what happens if Matt Stafford wins MVP this year and they go on to win the SB. what more would it take for people to start looking at him as the greatest QB of this generation?

he has great counting stats. over 400 TD, 60,000 Yards. that would give him 2 SB's.

with passing stats generally heading down the last few seasons, will any current QB's be able to catch his career numbers by the time he retires?

he would need another SB i would imagine.
just thinking outloud

[TheKnicksRule]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

Rooting for the Patriots.

just spitballing here, what happens if Matt Stafford wins MVP this year and they go on to win the SB. what more would it take for people to start looking at him as the greatest QB of this generation?

he has great counting stats. over 400 TD, 60,000 Yards. that would give him 2 SB's.

with passing stats generally heading down the last few seasons, will any current QB's be able to catch his career numbers by the time he retires?

he would need another SB i would imagine.
just thinking outloud

Honestly, with Mahomes looking a little more human lately, it feels like Allen is the one who’s actually primed to take that “next in line” crown if anyone does. Stafford’s résumé is solid, and another ring + an MVP would be huge for him, but he’s also at the tail end of his career.

Allen is the guy who still has the age, the ceiling, and the overall talent profile to stack big seasons if things finally break right around him. If Buffalo ever gives him a consistent run game and a defense that doesn’t collapse at the worst moments, he’s got as much upside as anyone in the league. He just needs those postseason signature wins.

So yeah, Stafford’s story would be great, but looking forward, Allen feels like the one best positioned to take over that “best QB of the generation not named Mahomes” slot if Mahomes really is entering a slower stretch.

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

Rooting for the Patriots.

just spitballing here, what happens if Matt Stafford wins MVP this year and they go on to win the SB. what more would it take for people to start looking at him as the greatest QB of this generation?

he has great counting stats. over 400 TD, 60,000 Yards. that would give him 2 SB's.

with passing stats generally heading down the last few seasons, will any current QB's be able to catch his career numbers by the time he retires?

he would need another SB i would imagine.
just thinking outloud

I argued here months ago Stafford was a clear HoFer, a lot of people surprisingly disagreed with the notion. Greatest of his generation? I'm not sure how that's possible considering he was drafted in 09-10 range correct? So his first 10-11 years, the vast majority of his career, overlapped with Brady going to 4 SBs and winning 3 rings on two different teams.

It's kind of weird to start his generation 10+ years after he started playing, but I get what you're saying. Maybe if he wins this year and goes back to back or wins another ring, making it 3 --- then he does in fact pass Mahomes on the all-time list and for the 2020s for sure. But that's a tall order.

[Tea10]

And what I find interesting is the severe downfall of QB talent in the NFL.

I mentioned and debated this in the Mahomes thread (someone disagreed) and the NFL weekly thread. But I think it's undeniable now for anyone being objective. We went from an era where there was a constant elite group of QBs - Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, ~Wilson, into Mahomes later.

And it shows now when an older Dak is leading the league in passing yards and a tail end of career back surgery/injury old Stafford is arguably the best QB this year and has been floating top 5 with the Rams despite being broken in DET and into his mid-late 30s. The QB play is pretty bad now. Lamar and Hurts become pumpkins if asked to drop back and actually pass the ball to win games. Allen is great, but makes mistakes and I'm not sure if he would be elite if he existed last decade with that old guard. Herbert is overrated I think. Burrow is very good but can't stay on the field.

The QBs now just aren't as good. There isn't that middle class of Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Wilson, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, up years of Flacco/Newton/etc. Now those type of guys are filling out your top 3-5 so far this decade instead of being ~5-12 in the league. I mean, look at the starters we've seen lately, it's embarrassing.

[TheKnicksRule]

Originally Posted by Tea10

And what I find interesting is the severe downfall of QB talent in the NFL.

I mentioned and debated this in the Mahomes thread (someone disagreed) and the NFL weekly thread. But I think it's undeniable now for anyone being objective. We went from an era where there was a constant elite group of QBs - Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, ~Wilson, into Mahomes later.

And it shows now when an older Dak is leading the league in passing yards and a tail end of career back surgery/injury old Stafford is arguably the best QB this year and has been floating top 5 with the Rams despite being broken in DET and into his mid-late 30s. The QB play is pretty bad now. Lamar and Hurts become pumpkins if asked to drop back and actually pass the ball to win games. Allen is great, but makes mistakes and I'm not sure if he would be elite if he existed last decade with that old guard. Herbert is overrated I think. Burrow is very good but can't stay on the field.

The QBs now just aren't as good. There isn't that middle class of Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Wilson, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, up years of Flacco/Newton/etc. Now those type of guys are filling out your top 3-5 so far this decade instead of being ~5-12 in the league. I mean, look at the starters we've seen lately, it's embarrassing.

Yeah, the drop-off is real. The league used to have a pipeline of legit top-tier guys. It’s wild that aging Dak and post-surgery Stafford are carrying the efficiency crown right now, that would’ve never happened in the Brady/Manning/Brees era.

But I do think Allen gets lumped in with the general “QB decline” when he really shouldn’t be. Like yeah, he makes the boneheaded mistakes, and you live with a few of those every season. But talent-wise? If you dropped Allen into that previous generation, he’d still be one of the guys. He wouldn’t be Brady or Peyton but who was? He’d be right there in that Big Ben/Luck tier, maybe even higher, because there simply weren’t many QBs back then who could take over a game the way he can.

And honestly, part of why QB play looks worse now is that most of the new wave can’t run a full offense without training wheels. Take away the manufactured touches, the RPO crutches, the wide-open scheme stuff, and you see who can actually play quarterback the old-fashioned way. A lot of these dudes can’t. Allen can. It’s messy sometimes, but he can drop back, read, throw, create, and drag a team when everything else is falling apart.

So yeah, the league is in a weird spot talent-wise, but I don’t think Allen is a product of the decline, he’s one of the few things holding the standard up.

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by TheKnicksRule

Yeah, the drop-off is real. The league used to have a pipeline of legit top-tier guys. It’s wild that aging Dak and post-surgery Stafford are carrying the efficiency crown right now, that would’ve never happened in the Brady/Manning/Brees era.

But I do think Allen gets lumped in with the general “QB decline” when he really shouldn’t be. Like yeah, he makes the boneheaded mistakes, and you live with a few of those every season. But talent-wise? If you dropped Allen into that previous generation, he’d still be one of the guys. He wouldn’t be Brady or Peyton but who was? He’d be right there in that Big Ben/Luck tier, maybe even higher, because there simply weren’t many QBs back then who could take over a game the way he can.

And honestly, part of why QB play looks worse now is that most of the new wave can’t run a full offense without training wheels. Take away the manufactured touches, the RPO crutches, the wide-open scheme stuff, and you see who can actually play quarterback the old-fashioned way. A lot of these dudes can’t. Allen can. It’s messy sometimes, but he can drop back, read, throw, create, and drag a team when everything else is falling apart.

So yeah, the league is in a weird spot talent-wise, but I don’t think Allen is a product of the decline, he’s one of the few things holding the standard up.

Oh he would definitely be in the Big Ben to Luck range for sure. Probably higher. I just question if he would be considered elite. I think he would be fringe elite like Wilson, perhaps more talented. But it's hypothetical and impossible to know. Obviously Allen is top 3-5 right now without question and that's all there is to that.

[JWBlue]

I don't believe Stafford is a HOF QB. Not enough success in playoffs despite the ring.

If he wins a second championship my opinion might change.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

Rooting for the Patriots.

just spitballing here, what happens if Matt Stafford wins MVP this year and they go on to win the SB. what more would it take for people to start looking at him as the greatest QB of this generation?

he has great counting stats. over 400 TD, 60,000 Yards. that would give him 2 SB's.

with passing stats generally heading down the last few seasons, will any current QB's be able to catch his career numbers by the time he retires?

he would need another SB i would imagine.
just thinking outloud

As of now, I know a ton are on the fence about whether or not Stafford is even a hall of famer! A second or even third ring wouldn’t put him anywhere near Brady, so I hope it’s him. What if a new guy gets two rings? Remember how people were all over Mahomes when he had his second?

Plus time passing would eventually help people not talk about Stafford anymore, prime Big Ben was better and he has two rings, no talk about him for anything

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by TheKnicksRule

Honestly, with Mahomes looking a little more human lately, it feels like Allen is the one who’s actually primed to take that “next in line” crown if anyone does. Stafford’s résumé is solid, and another ring + an MVP would be huge for him, but he’s also at the tail end of his career.

Allen is the guy who still has the age, the ceiling, and the overall talent profile to stack big seasons if things finally break right around him. If Buffalo ever gives him a consistent run game and a defense that doesn’t collapse at the worst moments, he’s got as much upside as anyone in the league. He just needs those postseason signature wins.

So yeah, Stafford’s story would be great, but looking forward, Allen feels like the one best positioned to take over that “best QB of the generation not named Mahomes” slot if Mahomes really is entering a slower stretch.

What’s hysterical is how the bengals, chiefs and maybe even ravens aren’t in the playoffs and the bills are a wild card team. If they had the bye I’d say this has to be their year, but they don’t

How long until time runs out for Allen and Jackson? Drafted in 2018 and their play style obviously won’t work long term. Heck, hasn’t worked short term, when it comes to the post season anyway. Especially Jackson, he definitely treated last game like the playoff game he said he would

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

I think Rams will represent the NFC. AFC honestly is anyone’s guess


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I think the Packers are coming on.
I want to see how they do against the Broncos Sunday

At this point I am thinking it will be Rams Packers championship

[TheKnicksRule]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

What’s hysterical is how the bengals, chiefs and maybe even ravens aren’t in the playoffs and the bills are a wild card team. If they had the bye I’d say this has to be their year, but they don’t

How long until time runs out for Allen and Jackson? Drafted in 2018 and their play style obviously won’t work long term. Heck, hasn’t worked short term, when it comes to the post season anyway. Especially Jackson, he definitely treated last game like the playoff game he said he would

People act like Allen has been some postseason disappointment when the truth is he’s been one of the best playoff quarterbacks of this era, period. The only reason anyone even questions him is because he keeps running into Mahomes and even then, he’s gone punch-for-punch with the guy in games where most QBs would’ve folded.

Jackson has his narrative. That’s separate. But putting Allen in that same bucket ignores everything he’s actually done when it matters. He’s not the guy holding Buffalo back, he’s the reason they’re in the conversation every year.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I think the Packers are coming on.
I want to see how they do against the Broncos Sunday

At this point I am thinking it will be Rams Packers championship

I can see that too. I think the Lions may make some noise also


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[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Tea10

And what I find interesting is the severe downfall of QB talent in the NFL.

I mentioned and debated this in the Mahomes thread (someone disagreed) and the NFL weekly thread. But I think it's undeniable now for anyone being objective. We went from an era where there was a constant elite group of QBs - Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, ~Wilson, into Mahomes later.

And it shows now when an older Dak is leading the league in passing yards and a tail end of career back surgery/injury old Stafford is arguably the best QB this year and has been floating top 5 with the Rams despite being broken in DET and into his mid-late 30s. The QB play is pretty bad now. Lamar and Hurts become pumpkins if asked to drop back and actually pass the ball to win games. Allen is great, but makes mistakes and I'm not sure if he would be elite if he existed last decade with that old guard. Herbert is overrated I think. Burrow is very good but can't stay on the field.

The QBs now just aren't as good. There isn't that middle class of Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Wilson, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, up years of Flacco/Newton/etc. Now those type of guys are filling out your top 3-5 so far this decade instead of being ~5-12 in the league. I mean, look at the starters we've seen lately, it's embarrassing.

When you think of those guys, look how long they played.

Not sure what Nix or Maye is supposed to do. Burrow is awesome and obviously got hurt. Herbert is great. Still young along with Lawrence who are both in the playoffs

Rivers, Newton, luck, Matt Ryan, etc, they never won anything, the upside of these new guys is better

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by TheKnicksRule

People act like Allen has been some postseason disappointment when the truth is he’s been one of the best playoff quarterbacks of this era, period. The only reason anyone even questions him is because he keeps running into Mahomes and even then, he’s gone punch-for-punch with the guy in games where most QBs would’ve folded.

Jackson has his narrative. That’s separate. But putting Allen in that same bucket ignores everything he’s actually done when it matters. He’s not the guy holding Buffalo back, he’s the reason they’re in the conversation every year.

Like it or not people just look at results

Him and Jackson still haven’t even played in a Super Bowl.

Bills have a chance because of Allen, very true. It is what it is. Can’t hypothetically give them playoff wins or a ring though. So he’s a really good player on an ok team, that’s how it is sometimes.

So with Mahomes out, what’s the Bills excuse this time if they don’t win it all?

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

I can see that too. I think the Lions may make some noise also


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If they even make the playoffs.

Goof is their qb. If they get in they won’t go far

Their best chance was when they had that big lead at SF, then in typical lions fashion….

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

I don't believe Stafford is a HOF QB. Not enough success in playoffs despite the ring.

If he wins a second championship my opinion might change.

Might change? It would be undeniable if he gets another ring. There is only one QB with 2+ rings that isn't the HoF - Jim Plunkett.

Plunkett has 168 TD to 198 INTs and is 78th all-time in Passing Yards.

Patriots guy initially, before my time. But was a back up on and off I think? Obviously not a top ~8-10 guy or top 3-5 guy at times like Stafford was/is. Different eras, but Plunkett was in the 80s too not the 50s. Stafford might pass Rivers for 7th all-time passing next week and he might pass Big Ben and Marino for 8th or 7th all-time TDs this season.

I'm a Brady fan here, but I think Stafford has been underrated his entire career. It's impressive to be top 10 caliber on the DET Lions for a decade, then he went an immediately won a ring and has been top 5 range as a QB with LA. We can agree to disagree, I think he's already clearly HoF material. He wins an MVP this year? He's in. SB and MVP? It's not even a question, it's not a debate.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Tea10

Might change? It would be undeniable if he gets another ring. There is only one QB with 2+ rings that isn't the HoF - Jim Plunkett.

Plunkett has 168 TD to 198 INTs and is 78th all-time in Passing Yards.

Patriots guy initially, before my time. But was a back up on and off I think? Obviously not a top ~8-10 guy or top 3-5 guy at times like Stafford was/is. Different eras, but Plunkett was in the 80s too not the 50s. Stafford might pass Rivers for 7th all-time passing next week and he might pass Big Ben and Marino for 8th or 7th all-time TDs this season.

I'm a Brady fan here, but I think Stafford has been underrated his entire career. It's impressive to be top 10 caliber on the DET Lions for a decade, then he went an immediately won a ring and has been top 5 range as a QB with LA. We can agree to disagree, I think he's already clearly HoF material. He wins an MVP this year? He's in. SB and MVP? It's not even a question, it's not a debate.

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