The Never Too Early 2025 NFL MVP Thread

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Rabs

Because there are no great teams.

Disagree that there are no great teams.

The Denver D is fantastic (although more teams may try what Commanders did last night). If that offense begins to play on all cylinders for a full game, this team will be a real problem. I'd love to see a Pats Broncos championship to find out what Maye and the Pats can really do (or not do)
The Broncos beat both of the super bowl teams from last year, and to me that makes them really good.

The Rams have a monster offense, although they tend to just abandon the run at times and I think as we just saw, that can be a bad thing, but their D is solid too, so I think they are still very good.

The Eagles have sputtered- Barkley looks gassed. They can't play full 60 min games.

The Bills at times sputter. Ravens will be lucky to get in to the playoffs with how bad Lamar looks.

KC will be lucky to make the playoffs. Texans D may be the second best in the league, but the O line is likely going to keep them from going anywhere. The Bucs are finally healthy for the most part, but they never go anywhere far in the playoffs

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I am probably in the minority that doesn't think Maye is MVP worthy either, he's having a fantastic season, I agree with, but haven't seen anything Earth shattering about it.

MVP isn't given out to just those that have Earth Shattering seasons. Its given out every year, Earth Shattering or not.

Right now, who is having a better season or putting up better performances than Maye? Right now, who would you give the MVP to if you feel Maye is not worthy?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Disagree that there are no great teams.

The Denver D is fantastic (although more teams may try what Commanders did last night). If that offense begins to play on all cylinders for a full game, this team will be a real problem. I'd love to see a Pats Broncos championship to find out what Maye and the Pats can really do (or not do)
The Broncos beat both of the super bowl teams from last year, and to me that makes them really good.

The Rams have a monster offense, although they tend to just abandon the run at times and I think as we just saw, that can be a bad thing, but their D is solid too, so I think they are still very good.

The Eagles have sputtered- Barkley looks gassed. They can't play full 60 min games.

The Bills at times sputter. Ravens will be lucky to get in to the playoffs with how bad Lamar looks.

KC will be lucky to make the playoffs. Texans D may be the second best in the league, but the O line is likely going to keep them from going anywhere. The Bucs are finally healthy for the most part, but they never go anywhere far in the playoffs

There are teams with really great components but then they all have fairly big questions elsewhere.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Grid

MVP isn't given out to just those that have Earth Shattering seasons. Its given out every year, Earth Shattering or not.

Right now, who is having a better season or putting up better performances than Maye? Right now, who would you give the MVP to if you feel Maye is not worthy?

I think if you put in a good QB, they could earn the same kind of results as Maye. That's what I mean. If you take Taylor or Garrett out tomorrow, any chance those two teams have to do anything at all go down the tubes. That's why I put them behind Stafford. Look at the Broncos front 4 that has 51 sacks- WAY more than any other D, it's a big part of how their D is so dominant. Now look at Myles Garrett- he has 19 on his own. That is incredible. He has more sacks than the entire 49ers, Bengals, and Panthers teams! AND, he has the same amount of sacks as the entire Ravens team.
That can't be dismissed. In a league that covets the QB, Garrett should not be overlooked, but probably will be. When you on your own as a player exceed or equal the output of 4 other teams combined, that is just WOW



As far as Stafford vs Maye, I think that Stafford has done what he's done against a much tougher schedule. Sure Stafford has more weapons at his disposal, but Maye has had a much easier schedule.
I do think Vrabel should be considered for coach of the year.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I think if you put in a good QB, they could earn the same kind of results as Maye. That's what I mean. If you take Taylor or Garrett out tomorrow, any chance those two teams have to do anything at all go down the tubes. That's why I put them behind Stafford. Look at the Broncos front 4 that has 51 sacks- WAY more than any other D, it's a big part of how their D is so dominant. Now look at Myles Garrett- he has 19 on his own. That is incredible. He has more sacks than the entire 49ers, Bengals, and Panthers teams! AND, he has the same amount of sacks as the entire Ravens team.
That can't be dismissed. In a league that covets the QB, Garrett should not be overlooked, but probably will be. When you on your own as a player exceed or equal the output of 4 other teams combined, that is just WOW



As far as Stafford vs Maye, I think that Stafford has done what he's done against a much tougher schedule. Sure Stafford has more weapons at his disposal, but Maye has had a much easier schedule.
I do think Vrabel should be considered for coach of the year.

If you really go off the idea of who is most valuable to their team, doesn't it have to be Allen? I'm not sure any other QB would get that team to 6 wins.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by JRX

If you really go off the idea of who is most valuable to their team, doesn't it have to be Allen? I'm not sure any other QB would get that team to 6 wins.

Admittedly he has some so so receivers - no big beast number one (comparable to Broncos) so he has to do a lot but he does have a great RB. He’s taken the team on his back at times and at other times he has cost his team. Not an MVP season for sure

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Disagree that there are no great teams.

The Denver D is fantastic (although more teams may try what Commanders did last night). If that offense begins to play on all cylinders for a full game, this team will be a real problem. I'd love to see a Pats Broncos championship to find out what Maye and the Pats can really do (or not do)
The Broncos beat both of the super bowl teams from last year, and to me that makes them really good.

The Rams have a monster offense, although they tend to just abandon the run at times and I think as we just saw, that can be a bad thing, but their D is solid too, so I think they are still very good.

The Eagles have sputtered- Barkley looks gassed. They can't play full 60 min games.

The Bills at times sputter. Ravens will be lucky to get in to the playoffs with how bad Lamar looks.

KC will be lucky to make the playoffs. Texans D may be the second best in the league, but the O line is likely going to keep them from going anywhere. The Bucs are finally healthy for the most part, but they never go anywhere far in the playoffs

You said you disagree that there are no great teams.

Then you listed why there are no great teams.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Rabs

You said you disagree that there are no great teams.

Then you listed why there are no great teams.

Sorry, I was backing up what you said

[Nostalgia]

hmmmm getting interesting

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Drakey!!!!

[shortstopguy12]

Maye with an absolute dime

[JWBlue]

Drake MayeVP

[pietroskim]

Originally Posted by shortstopguy12

Maye with an absolute dime

Best deep ball thrower in the league!

[Bosoxfan5990]

MayeVP.

[Nostalgia]

Was hoping for that 300 + 3 TD game.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Injuries to the OL, no problem. Maye is still on Stafford’s heels.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Drakey is now ahead of Matty in betting odds for MVP.

[2010GBPackers]

My non-Vegas 12/02/2025 Update:

M. Stafford/D. Maye (tie)
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...??

Stafford was coasting to his first career MVP with a flawless 30/2 TD/INT season, then laid a complete egg (2 INT/1 FUM) against Carolina. I did not have that on my bingo card.

Maye has a very good, but not great, game - which is mostly due to the opponent having lost the game by halftime due to special teams errors. There's no doubt, though, he looks the part. Smooth, steady, moves well in the pocket, accurate, sees the field. He has everything.

85 yards on 21 carries and no TDs isn't going to get Jonathan Taylor back in the mix. Bye, bye.

[JRX]

The Rams are 9-3 with a SOS of .517, the Pats are 11-2 with a SOS of .369. In fact the Rams are the only team among the top 8 with a strength of schedule over .500. The second weakest schedule has been Chi at .439, but they actually have tough games coming up. The Pats get Jets, Bal, Mia, and Buf. They're going to be the 1 seed, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them lose in the divisional round.

[Nostalgia]

Pats gonna go 2-2 to finish the season?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Pats gonna go 2-2 to finish the season?

They are 3-1 against teams not picking in the top 10 in the draft so they could run the table. The hardest games is buf at home and they beat them once already.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I think if you put in a good QB, they could earn the same kind of results as Maye. That's what I mean. If you take Taylor or Garrett out tomorrow, any chance those two teams have to do anything at all go down the tubes. That's why I put them behind Stafford. Look at the Broncos front 4 that has 51 sacks- WAY more than any other D, it's a big part of how their D is so dominant. Now look at Myles Garrett- he has 19 on his own. That is incredible. He has more sacks than the entire 49ers, Bengals, and Panthers teams! AND, he has the same amount of sacks as the entire Ravens team.
That can't be dismissed. In a league that covets the QB, Garrett should not be overlooked, but probably will be. When you on your own as a player exceed or equal the output of 4 other teams combined, that is just WOW



As far as Stafford vs Maye, I think that Stafford has done what he's done against a much tougher schedule. Sure Stafford has more weapons at his disposal, but Maye has had a much easier schedule.
I do think Vrabel should be considered for coach of the year.

Ive had this debate over Garrett on here already. Defensive Player of the Year is an individual award. Miles will get that. You cannot be a MVP, if your star power isn't "Valuable" enough to your team to lead to wins.

No NFL player on a losing team has ever won the league's regular season MVP award. None, zero, nada. That isnt what the league MVP is for.

If there was an award for the best player whose greatest didn't matter at all in the wins column. Miles wins that. But for you to be the most valuable player, your work has to lead to success. That makes you valuable.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Grid

Ive had this debate over Garrett on here already. Defensive Player of the Year is an individual award. Miles will get that. You cannot be a MVP, if your star power isn't "Valuable" enough to your team to lead to wins.

No NFL player on a losing team has ever won the league's regular season MVP award. None, zero, nada. That isnt what the league MVP is for.

If there was an award for the best player whose greatest didn't matter at all in the wins column. Miles wins that. But for you to be the most valuable player, your work has to lead to success. That makes you valuable.

Correct. This isn’t MLB where winning is a nice addition to playing well.