Has your PSA 10 Gem rate for modern bulk submissions changed dramatically this year?

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by Blazed

People don't want accurate grades, they want 10's

This is true for a large number of people that send to PSA and for TCG collectors.

I send cards to Beckett because they have a consistent and accurate grading system that aligns with my pre-grade about 90% of the time. In the 10% of cases that they do not, it's usually because I've missed something.

I for for one prefer honest grading to overgrading, undergrading, dice rolling, and fluctuating standards that change depending on the market.

[Ehawk89]

Kinda funny how on the app you get offers from PSA to buy your cards. Seems like a potential conflict of interest to me. I could totally see certain 9s they buy up, get turn into 10s.

[Boostedwrx]

I see them buying 10's and trying to manipulate the market by raising the price on them all.

[SLGSports]

Originally Posted by Blazed

People don't want accurate grades, they want 10's

If my cards are gem mint, I want them to get 10s. If my cards are mint, I want them to get 9s. PSA seems to have lost their ability to follow the grade definitions.

[metsandweezer]

PSA is definitely grading tougher.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

They just killed their own registry.

I suspect the registry makes up such a small percent of subs these days that they are not terribly concerned about it.

They could have easily thrown a bone to those folks by offering limited specials, say any 1984 or Cal Ripken card, but chose not to.

[MavsRChamps]

Originally Posted by Blazed

Last order had mostly 10's that "didn't really deserve them"

Was happy and thrilled with overgraded cards but wants reviews on non 10 modern

People don't want accurate grades, they want 10's

What's new - You come in with a rude response as you've done on several of my posts now. Strawmanning what I said because you apparently lack reading comprehension.

Where did I say I want a review for my cards specifically? I was referring to PSA procedures of ensuring accuracy in grading for all cards & a part of that does should include accuracy reviews for newer graders so they don't overgrade or undergrade cards or if their grading averages are outliers, are you against that? State your position. If such procedures were in place I'm sure some cards from my 1st order would have been downgraded a grade & some from my last would have been upgraded.

Yes my 1st order was grading much differently than my 2nd order when it was the same batch of card. 2+2=4. Meaning yes - those 2 things lead to me stating my experience tells me PSA's procedures and accuracy in grading is terrible. As well as pretty much everyone's experiences here. Are you criticizing me for thinking my order of 29 modern cards that I picked over genuinely had ZERO gem mint cards? Lol, yes I as well as countless other on here must be making up stuff. Surely our 20+ years of experience in cards would lead to us having a 66% GEM RATE one order & a few weeks later apparently our grading skills have gone downhill and suddenly we get 0% rate on the same exact set. Are you saying that FACT is not a reflection of PSA's inaccuracy of grading?

My entire post was saying I want "accurate grades" and you act like I didn't say that and just said I want 10's. And you also quoted me wrong - I said a couple of the Spotlight cards in the order "didn't really deserve them" - Not that the mostly 10's in the order "didn't really deserve them" (insinuating most of the 10's didn't deserve them).

STOP MISQUOTING ME.

I don't know you but for some reason you've taken several of my posts out of context & attacked a position I never said. Please stop because you're making yourself look silly, respectively.

[metsandweezer]

Here is the gem rate percentage data from my bulk submissions since 2019. Every bulk submissions was between 20 cards to 200 cards for a submission. Seems like November is a rough month for most years.

May 2019 (96%)
July 2019 (67%)
November 2019 (80%)
December 2019 (96%)

Total average: 85%

August 2020 (77%)
August 2020 (50%)
November 2020 (72%)

Total average: 66%

March 2021 (50%)
July 2021 (34%)
July 2021 (71%)
October 2021 (66%)
December 2021 (50%)
December 2021 (55%)
December 2021 (82%)
December 2021 (86%)

Total average: 62%

January 2022 (85%)
January 2022 (76%)
January 2022 (18%)
February 2022 (52%)
February 2022 (46%)
March 2022 (75%)
April 2022 (50%)
May 2022 (82%)
May 2022 (17%)
August 2022 (14%)
September 2022 (77%)
October 2022 (64%)
October 2022 (53%)
October 2022 (45%)
November 2022 (53%)
November 2022 (48%)
December 2022 (80%)
December 2022 (67%)

Total average: 56%

January 2023 (60%)
January 2023 (52%)
February 2023 (50%)
February 2023 (25%)
March 2023 (59%)
March 2023 (45%)
March 2023 (47%)
April 2023 (72%)
April 2023 (71%)
April 2023 (60%)
May 2023 (62%)
May 2023 (69%)
May 2023 (76%)
May 2023 (82%)
June 2023 (65%)
June 2023 (85%)
June 2023 (69%)
July 2023 (78%)
July 2023 (55%)
July 2023 (62%)
July 2023 (73%)
September 2023 (57%)
September 2023 (70%)
September 2023 (57%)
October 2023 (81%)
November 2023 (80%)
November 2023 (81%)
November 2023 (79%)
December 2023 (63%)
December 2023 (50%)

Total average: 65%

January 2024 (84%)
January 2024 (88%)
February 2024 (81%)
February 2024 (71%)
March 2024 (55%)
April 2024 (80%)
April 2024 (78%)
April 2024 (48%)
May 2024 (83%)
May 2024 (74%)
June 2024 (68%)
July 2024 (69%)
July 2024 (44%)
August 2024 (71%)
September 2024 (58%)
September 2024 (78%)
October 2024 (57%)
October 2024 (55%)
November 2024 (43%)
December 2024 (73%)

Total average: 65%

January 2025 (55%)
January 2025 (75%)
January 2025 (81%)
February 2025 (89%)
February 2025 (59%)
March 2025 (69%)
April 2025 (78%)
April 2025 (77%)
May 2025 (60%)
June 2025 (47%)
June 2025 (85%)
June 2025 (53%)
August 2025 (63%)
August 2025 (88%)
October 2025 (81%)
October 2025 (67%)
November 2025 (33%)
November 2025 (58%)
November 2025 (52%)

Total average: 67%

[BraveAtlanta]

[IMG][/IMG] just got my 39 card Value order back. All modern over the past 2 years.
13 10s
20 9s
4 8s
1 7
1 6

25 of these cards are thicker ones, like Select auto patches, National Treasures patches, and Inception autos. Tougher cards to grade for sure. This is the first time I’ve ever received a 7 or 6 in many years of submitting. The 6 is a Ladd McConkey Select Auto Patch that PSA damaged. There is now a crease on the back. No way I would ever submit this.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by BraveAtlanta

25 of these cards are thicker ones, like Select auto patches, National Treasures patches, and Inception autos. Tougher cards to grade for sure. This is the first time I’ve ever received a 7 or 6 in many years of submitting. The 6 is a Ladd McConkey Select Auto Patch that PSA damaged. There is now a crease on the back. No way I would ever submit this.

Sadly, PSA will tell you to kick rocks on that McConkey. Unless you have visual evidence that the card was in different condition when you sent it, they won't care. They've damaged a few of my cards in the last year, and there are many reports in my Facebook groups and on YouTube of people complaining that cards are coming back damaged.

[BraveAtlanta]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

Sadly, PSA will tell you to kick rocks on that McConkey. Unless you have visual evidence that the card was in different condition when you sent it, they won't care. They've damaged a few of my cards in the last year, and there are many reports in my Facebook groups and on YouTube of people complaining that cards are coming back damaged.

I agree, but I did enter a case. I had another Ladd just like this and it was in the same condition…it came back a 9.

Ticks me off. You can’t see the crease with their before or after pics…you’ve got to look at the card at an angle to see it. I sent them a pic of that, but it’s not going to matter. I guess we have to start taking pics at an angle. Pain in the…

[BraveAtlanta]

Now they want me to send Ladd back for a “Quality Assurance Review?” It’s makes me select “Review” on the site which has a description of “items previously graded by PSA that may be worthy of a higher grade. I wonder if this is just standard procedure but I don’t want it regraded.

I’m thinking about just biting the bullet and taking the loss. Anybody ever had any experience with this? Ugh.

[yoyosh]

I had a 9 card sub pop last night.

2 I'd broken out of SGC 9 slabs, one became a PSA 10 and the other a PSA 6

Of the 7 raw cards I'd hoped for 4 10s.
Those received 2 8s and 5 9s.

[fenwaykid]

Price increases and nearly impossible to get 10's anymore. I've been submitting cards to them for 15 years - what has happened over the last couple months is laughable. I am getting 10-20% of my cards come back with a 10, the absolute worst gem rates I've ever had. For years I would get 80-85% no problem, I know what I am looking at. Is PSA protecting 10's? What in the hell is going on over there. What are you planning on doing about it?

[Boostedwrx]

Originally Posted by fenwaykid

Price increases and nearly impossible to get 10's anymore. I've been submitting cards to them for 15 years - what has happened over the last couple months is laughable. I am getting 10-20% of my cards come back with a 10, the absolute worst gem rates I've ever had. For years I would get 80-85% no problem, I know what I am looking at. Is PSA protecting 10's? What in the hell is going on over there. What are you planning on doing about it?

Take it from the guy in the other PSA thread, I guess were just bad at evaluating cards this year. All of a sudden.

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

See this type of response all over lately.

People need to be better at evaluating cards. PSA isn't perfect, but in general people need to better evaluate cards.

[ABN ARTY]

The LCS that I submit through just had a 147 modern sub come back with 25 PSA 10s, that's 17% PSA 10 rate, none of my 8 cards in this sub came back as a PSA 10 and only one came back as a PSA 9.

[thenightman]

PSA doesn't want to grade your cards anymore, they just want to sell them on eBay and to repackers.

[fenwaykid]

Originally Posted by ABN ARTY

The LCS that I submit through just had a 147 modern sub come back with 25 PSA 10s, that's 17% PSA 10 rate, none of my 8 cards in this sub came back as a PSA 10 and only one came back as a PSA 9.

That’s exactly what I’ve been seeing. PSA is taking our money and laughing to the bank. It’s bad for business, people are now losing lots of money due to the low gem rate. Maybe time to try Beckett again…

[anusinha]

My last few subs have been fine, the group subber I follow just had a 75 card ultra modern pokemon come back with 7 10s.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by fenwaykid

That’s exactly what I’ve been seeing. PSA is taking our money and laughing to the bank. It’s bad for business, people are now losing lots of money due to the low gem rate. Maybe time to try Beckett again…

So, PSA is purposefully grading cards low makes more sense to you than you sending in trash cards? Of course, it can’t be you, right? It has to be PSA purposefully working hard to lose money.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by Boostedwrx

Take it from the guy in the other PSA thread, I guess were just bad at evaluating cards this year. All of a sudden.

I don't think that's the case for experienced submitters but we all know PSA tightened the screws meaning people submitting need to do the same. This, plus a lot of new product is just pure crap off the press. Micro to not so micro print line scratches on Prizm and Chrome. Likewise with surface divots. Easy to miss some of that stuff.

I thought my last order had some under-graded cards then I took a second look and found defects in most of them. A few were simply more OC than they appeared to me on the front end. I used to think those centering tools were a bit dorky but maybe I should pick one up.

[Boostedwrx]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

I don't think that's the case for experienced submitters but we all know PSA tightened the screws meaning people submitting need to do the same. This, plus a lot of new product is just pure crap off the press. Micro to not so micro print line scratches on Prizm and Chrome. Likewise with surface divots. Easy to miss some of that stuff.

I thought my last order had some under-graded cards then I took a second look and found defects in most of them. A few were simply more OC than they appeared to me on the front end. I used to think those centering tools were a bit dorky but maybe I should pick one up.

I usually send in 90's - 2000's so the stuff hot off the press doesn't enter my mind. What does though, is a slight/micro touch to a corner you can barely see without magnification would of been a PSA 10 last year, whereas now its an automatic 9 it appears.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by Boostedwrx

I usually send in 90's - 2000's so the stuff hot off the press doesn't enter my mind. What does though, is a slight/micro touch to a corner you can barely see without magnification would of been a PSA 10 last year, whereas now its an automatic 9 it appears.

This is totally true, especially on paper cards. Those defects really pop when I take my 10x loupe to them. The strictness fits though when applying the BGS standard for corners "Virtually flawless to the naked eye with only slight imperfections allowed under magnification" instead of the more vague PSA verbiage "four perfectly sharp corners".

This is one area where I've really tightened the screws on what I submit. I'm probably losing out on some gems but to the benefit of fewer 9s.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

This is totally true, especially on paper cards. Those defects really pop when I take my 10x loupe to them. The strictness fits though when applying the BGS standard for corners "Virtually flawless to the naked eye with only slight imperfections allowed under magnification" instead of the more vague PSA verbiage "four perfectly sharp corners".

This is one area where I've really tightened the screws on what I submit. I'm probably losing out on some gems but to the benefit of fewer 9s.

It's almost like PSA 10s need to be perfect cards now, whether they are ultra modern or even 1980s and 1990s stuff. This seems true except for massive submitters like 4SharpCorners, whose 10s so often seem outrageously egregiously over-graded. I think part of this is because of the sheer volume they submit, and part is the numbing effect on graders' perceptions working through that volume, and then part is preferential treatment, no question.

The problem is that collectors and dealers then see these grades, ad nauseum on eBay, week after week after motherloving week, and we presume we can still get 10s on similar stuff, too, only to waste our money and time and spirit on a rack of 6s and 8s with a spattering of 9s, as if the 9s were 10s, and, very curiously, no 7s.

These days, I try to operate under the rule that if you see something, anything, be it a print dot, a scratch, a micro touch to an edge or corner, then don't submit it. But when the rest of the card is literally pristine, I just can't help myself. Apparently, I just can't help myself from grading 6s and 8s

[FT35]

Originally Posted by larry25

It's almost like PSA 10s need to be perfect cards now, whether they are ultra modern or even 1980s and 1990s stuff. This seems true except for massive submitters like 4SharpCorners, whose 10s so often seem outrageously egregiously over-graded. I think part of this is because of the sheer volume they submit, and part is the numbing effect on graders' perceptions working through that volume, and then part is preferential treatment, no question.

The problem is that collectors and dealers then see these grades, ad nauseum on eBay, week after week after motherloving week, and we presume we can still get 10s on similar stuff, too, only to waste our money and time and spirit on a rack of 6s and 8s with a spattering of 9s, as if the 9s were 10s, and, very curiously, no 7s.

These days, I try to operate under the rule that if you see something, anything, be it a print dot, a scratch, a micro touch to an edge or corner, then don't submit it. But when the rest of the card is literally pristine, I just can't help myself. Apparently, I just can't help myself from grading 6s and 8s

Championship level post here! This perfectly sums up what our PSA experience has turned into!