Who will be the best third year position player from the class of 2024 next season?

[ThoseBackPages]

add in Dodgers Ohtani

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by sheetskout

Chourio - what he has done so far at that age has been amazing.

He's had a 3.8 WAR season followed by a 2.2 WAR season, with a career OPS+ of 115.

Good.....but not anywhere close to amazing.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Elly had a torn quad since July. His numbers pre-injury were stellar. I expect him to come back healthy and repeat that performance.

Elly is one of the most overrated players out there.....career 107 OPS+ and a 3.6 WAR average per 162 games. He just makes a lot of highlight reels because of his stolen bases and occasional long dinger.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Caminero had the quietest 45 HR age 21 season ever.

He plays for a losing team in Tampa Bay.....it's a simple as that.....

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by mfw13

He plays for a losing team in Tampa Bay.....it's a simple as that.....

If he hits 40+ bombs again this year, he will certainly get more attention, I would imagine, despite being in Tampa.

[comicbooksgo]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Soto is at 160 and is getting largely ignored by the hobby. Acuna is at 141 for his career (and reached 163 in a half season last year) and is largely ignored.

Acuna and Soto are largely ignored by the hobby??? Which one? The knitting community?

[comicbooksgo]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

It always cracks me up in these threads hearing about the guys the hobby doesn't care about. It ends up if you are not Shohei or Judge, you are a nobody. Caminero? Nobody cares. J-Rod? Turrible. Soto? An afterthought.

Right? I'd be ok if I was the only one who cared about Acuna's cards. I'd buy all of them!!!

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by comicbooksgo

Acuna and Soto are largely ignored by the hobby??? Which one? The knitting community?

There’s a strong belief on Blowout that unless it’s Judge or Ohtani, all cards are worthless and are basically given away for free. The auctions I bid on disagree.

[wiper]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Elly is one of the most overrated players out there.....career 107 OPS+ and a 3.6 WAR average per 162 games. He just makes a lot of highlight reels because of his stolen bases and occasional long dinger.

highlight reels sell though.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by comicbooksgo

Acuna and Soto are largely ignored by the hobby??? Which one? The knitting community?

Both of their prices have come down significantly from where they were a couple of years ago....in Soto's case, the fact that he's moved around so much has really hurt him, since it's reduced the value of his Padres and Yankees cards.

Also didn't help that neither made the postseason this year.....

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Both of their prices have come down significantly from where they were a couple of years ago....in Soto's case, the fact that he's moved around so much has really hurt him, since it's reduced the value of his Padres and Yankees cards.

Also didn't help that neither made the postseason this year.....

I could see either one having a big season next year and their team being in the World Series. If their card prices have dropped a lot, they could be good buy-low candidates.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by mfw13

There are a lot of "solid" players on that list, but no future superstars.

Junior Caminero had the highest OPS+ at 131, but that's not really enough to move the needle when you've got Judge at 215 and Ohtani at 179.

Pete Alonso is largely a hobby non-entity with a career OPS+ of 135, as is Vlad Jr. at 136.

Soto is at 160 and is getting largely ignored by the hobby. Acuna is at 141 for his career (and reached 163 in a half season last year) and is largely ignored.

I'd take Bobby Witt Jt. and Corbin Carroll over any of those guys because of their combination of power and speed.

a) none of these '24 RC guys are Shohei Ohtani or Aaron Judge. Ever. Period.

b) Juan Soto and Ronald Acuna aren't ignored by the hobby. They're just not Ohtani or Judge.

c) Caminero was 21 for half the season. When Judge was 21 he was 3 years away from debuting with a .179/.263/.345 line. 61 OPS+.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

There’s a strong belief on Blowout that unless it’s Judge or Ohtani, all cards are worthless and are basically given away for free. The auctions I bid on disagree.

Fortunately, Blowout is just a small sliver of the overall collecting community. And over the last 5 years, it's been taken over by all the new Covid flippers and breakers and Facebook Nonsense group members. And who cares what they think.

[sheetskout]

Originally Posted by mfw13

He's had a 3.8 WAR season followed by a 2.2 WAR season, with a career OPS+ of 115.

Good.....but not anywhere close to amazing.

He did a large part of that before he could drink alcohol legally.

If you don't think that's amazing your expectations are too high - which sometimes happens in this community.

[SaveMeTheGum]

[Absknicks]

Probably Elly or Chourio.

Caminero hit a bunch of homers but his overall approach still has a ton of flaws. Could see him falling off a cliff.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Absknicks

Probably Elly or Chourio.

Caminero hit a bunch of homers but his overall approach still has a ton of flaws. Could see him falling off a cliff.

Caminero is 100th percentile in bat speed, but only 20th percentile in chase rate and squared-up rate -- great raw power, but mediocre plate discipline and bat control.

[jlzinck]

This is a Hairy level POLE FALE as there are no Red Sox listed

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

This is a Hairy level POLE FALE as there are no Red Sox listed

Yes there is.

Red Sox = other.

Sincerely,

MLB

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by mfw13

He's had a 3.8 WAR season followed by a 2.2 WAR season, with a career OPS+ of 115.

Good.....but not anywhere close to amazing.

Them's HOF numbers.

Originally Posted by mfw13

Both of their prices have come down significantly from where they were a couple of years ago....in Soto's case, the fact that he's moved around so much has really hurt him, since it's reduced the value of his Padres and Yankees cards.

Also didn't help that neither made the postseason this year.....

Soto is down with the market. That's it. He's still the baseline for young and prime aged players. Ahead of Witt, Skenes, and anybody else under 30. His only problems are Judge and Ohtani. Mainly that Judge refuses to age out.

Moving away from the Yankees is the only thing that has actually hurt his price;

Moving from the Nats to the Padres? No effect. If not a boost due to winning.
Moving from the Padres to the Yankees? Huge boost to his price!
Moving from the Yankees to the Mets? Definitely cost him.

Even that last move might be somewhat muted if the Mets start winning.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Absknicks

Probably Elly or Chourio.

Caminero hit a bunch of homers but his overall approach still has a ton of flaws. Could see him falling off a cliff.

Elly hit like .220 over last 2 months of season (was one of worst players in baseball for that span) and hit like 3 homers total over last 3 months. Then went like 0-6 with 5 K's in post season.

Even if Junior fell off a cliff it would still be much better then the last 2 months Elly had

[SaveMeTheGum]

Number of players to ever have a 45 HR season under the age of 22:

Junior Caminero age 21
Eddie Mathews age 21

That's the list...

[Chrominator]

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Elly hit like .220 over last 2 months of season (was one of worst players in baseball for that span) and hit like 3 homers total over last 3 months. Then went like 0-6 with 5 K's in post season.

Even if Junior fell off a cliff it would still be much better then the last 2 months Elly had

Elly had a torn quad muscle the entire 2nd half. You'll eat your words.

First half Elly is the real Elly.

[evileddie]

Originally Posted by Chrominator

I hope you are right for a couple of reasons. I am a huge Cubs fan, and I have a ton of PCA cards.