Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[daktmacfan]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

When is renewal period again? I was MC for a bit then stepped away from Hobby for a couple years and am getting re-acquainted

For the current club year, it was sometime in January. It used to be in late November or early December.

[daktmacfan]

I was hoping that we'd get a first shot at Sapphire NBA before this year's membership expires.

For next year do we think they will have sport-specific clubs?

[Bob Ross]

I dont even want to see the prices and changes they have in store.

[daktmacfan]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

I dont even want to see the prices and changes they have in store.

True. That’s why I was hoping they might throw us a bone and give us access to the Debut NBA Sapphire, especially since the recent TC Basketball drop evidently brought the most traffic Topps has ever seen.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by daktmacfan

True. That’s why I was hoping they might throw us a bone and give us access to the Debut NBA Sapphire, especially since the recent TC Basketball drop evidently brought the most traffic Topps has ever seen.

that makes me even less optimistic we get offered anything

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by daktmacfan

True. That’s why I was hoping they might throw us a bone and give us access to the Debut NBA Sapphire, especially since the recent TC Basketball drop evidently brought the most traffic Topps has ever seen.

Makes me wonder if they'll limit the 582 membership this time around.

[22emmittfan]

Originally Posted by RainCityShecks

Makes me wonder if they'll limit the 582 membership this time around.

They already have cut back a lot from what the original club offered so hopefully not more


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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by RainCityShecks

Makes me wonder if they'll limit the 582 membership this time around.

Shipping thousands of 1 box orders where Topps has to pay for all the shipping when they can sell it all for the same price or more in bulk makes no sense as it is. If they are actually committing to auctions long term the club will be even more diminished or completely eliminated. Basically the only few products people want the club for now will be auctioned.

What they could do and should do is have a 3 tiered Montgomery Club system. Have the lowest tier a little better than it is now. Have the upper 2 tiers cost over $1000. Have the 3 tiers be maybe $500, $1500, and $3000. At least they can charge thousands of people a fee to buy more product versus giving it all away for MSRP or most to dealers/breakers for 75%ish percent of MSRP. But with auctions the amount of in demand products for this club service wouldn't be as great as many would hope.

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Shipping thousands of 1 box orders where Topps has to pay for all the shipping when they can sell it all for the same price or more in bulk makes no sense as it is. If they are actually committing to auctions long term the club will be even more diminished or completely eliminated. Basically the only few products people want the club for now will be auctioned.

What they could do and should do is have a 3 tiered Montgomery Club system. Have the lowest tier a little better than it is now. Have the upper 2 tiers cost over $1000. Have the 3 tiers be maybe $500, $1500, and $3000. At least they can charge thousands of people a fee to buy more product versus giving it all away for MSRP or most to dealers/breakers for 75%ish percent of MSRP. But with auctions the amount of in demand products for this club service wouldn't be as great as many would hope.

Let's all hope that everything you said never happens.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Shipping thousands of 1 box orders where Topps has to pay for all the shipping when they can sell it all for the same price or more in bulk makes no sense as it is. If they are actually committing to auctions long term the club will be even more diminished or completely eliminated. Basically the only few products people want the club for now will be auctioned.

What they could do and should do is have a 3 tiered Montgomery Club system. Have the lowest tier a little better than it is now. Have the upper 2 tiers cost over $1000. Have the 3 tiers be maybe $500, $1500, and $3000. At least they can charge thousands of people a fee to buy more product versus giving it all away for MSRP or most to dealers/breakers for 75%ish percent of MSRP. But with auctions the amount of in demand products for this club service wouldn't be as great as many would hope.

Topps doesn't make MC a priority, unfortunately. And I think it's extremely short sighted.

If they wanted to solve the shipping problem, just open up the limit restriction. They allowed 40 boxes/transaction for 2019 TC Sapphire.

That's extreme, but they don't have to limit it to 1 box if they don't want to.

MC members pay an extra fee in addition to paying for product. So they make more money selling through MC than selling direct to the public.

They could also make a ton of money by making MC a lot more desirable/limiting memberships/allowing memberships to be bought and sold on the Topps platform.

Unfortunately, Topps brass has said multiple times that they are pretty much content with where the MC club is and aren't necessarily looking to expand it.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by RainCityShecks

Let's all hope that everything you said never happens.

LOL!

Topps is going to auctions. It's already been announced. It's just how long will it last. If it lasts all of 2026 I can guarantee you all or almost all of the only few products most Club members want won't be available anymore in the Club.

Without those products then a club system would involve more mass produced but could be still more popular products like Topps Chrome Basketball. A 3 tier Club system would work out better for most as you could get as much or more than the max limits were the other day plus you wouldn't have to fight to very often lose out to bots.

But yeah let's hope none of this ever happens so the crybabies can get 1 box of a handful of in demand products a year instead! A way better option for the vast majority! Let bots and dealers/breakers take the vast majority at rock bottom prices.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Topps doesn't make MC a priority, unfortunately. And I think it's extremely short sighted.

If they wanted to solve the shipping problem, just open up the limit restriction. They allowed 40 boxes/transaction for 2019 TC Sapphire.

That's extreme, but they don't have to limit it to 1 box if they don't want to.

MC members pay an extra fee in addition to paying for product. So they make more money selling through MC than selling direct to the public.

They could also make a ton of money by making MC a lot more desirable/limiting memberships/allowing memberships to be bought and sold on the Topps platform.

Unfortunately, Topps brass has said multiple times that they are pretty much content with where the MC club is and aren't necessarily looking to expand it.

Until auctions start they have made bots and dealers/breakers the priority.

Yes with a 3 tiered system you would have higher limits. It would all sell for MSRP versus most being sold at 75%. I think the main reason they haven't done this is the holding back product to sell in most cases higher at a later date.

Aren't there a few thousand members? Even if you limited it to 1000 basic tier, 500 2nd and 500 3rd that's $2.75 millon profit in 1 day for what costs Topps essentially nothing.

To be fair, those potential Club fees plus selling every product at MSRP versus most of the initial wave at 75% of MSRP still wouldn't even out versus backdooring product at a later date when prices are up due to artificial scarcity. It doesn't account for what's best long term for them which is obviously not backdooring to a very small amount of people. Obviously that isn't going to grow anything long term.

But Im guessing they dont think either is the best long term strategy for all products or else they wouldn't be going to auctions.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Until auctions start they have made bots and dealers/breakers the priority.

Yes with a 3 tiered system you would have higher limits. It would all sell for MSRP versus most being sold at 75%. I think the main reason they haven't done this is the holding back product to sell in most cases higher at a later date.

Aren't there a few thousand members? Even if you limited it to 1000 basic tier, 500 2nd and 500 3rd that's $2.75 millon profit in 1 day for what costs Topps essentially nothing.

To be fair, those potential Club fees plus selling every product at MSRP versus most of the initial wave at 75% of MSRP still wouldn't even out versus backdooring product at a later date when prices are up due to artificial scarcity.

But Im guessing they dont think either is the best long term strategy for all products or else they wouldn't be going to auctions.

I wonder what kind of deal Fanatics has with breakers. They just sell a ton of product to them? Do breakers have to take every single Topps product offered like a LCS?

If Topps let the general public have more product, would breakers boycott? I highly doubt it.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I wonder what kind of deal Fanatics has with breakers. They just sell a ton of product to them? Do breakers have to take every single Topps product offered like a LCS?

If Topps let the general public have more product, would breakers boycott? I highly doubt it.

Boycott? The vast majority of breakers are not money tree members. Topps could completely eliminate all breaker allocation and only the ones that could just decide to retire would stop buying. Which if you've been getting decent Topps and Panini allocation the last 6 years I'm sure every single one of those could easily retire.

I don't know if they are forced to buy everything but the deal is buyer gets x at initial money tree price and later on buys x amount at the increased cost which is usually going to still be set at a good price for them.

The fact none of the majors have sold or as far as we can tell have even attempted to sell their business knowing Panini was losing these licenses should tell you all you need to know. The margins for them are still going to be sky high. Nowhere near the standard 20-30% they made for years before 2020.

As evidenced by all sales methods until possibly when auctions start Topps/Fanatics tries to take every last cent only from the average buyer. They have some products currently listed for double hell some even triple current sales.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Boycott? The vast majority of breakers are not money tree members. Topps could completely eliminate all breaker allocation and only the ones that could just decide to retire would stop buying. Which if you've been getting decent Topps and Panini allocation the last 6 years I'm sure every single one of those could easily retire.

I don't know if they are forced to buy everything but the deal is buyer gets x at initial money tree price and later on buys x amount at the increased cost which is usually going to still be set at a good price for them.

The fact none of the majors have sold or as far as we can tell have even attempted to sell their business knowing Panini was losing these licenses should tell you all you need to know. The margins for them are still going to be sky high. Nowhere near the standard 20-30% they made for years before 2020.

As evidenced by all sales methods until possibly when auctions start Topps/Fanatics tries to take every last cent only from the average buyer. They have some products currently listed for double hell some even triple current sales.

Right. So what does Fanatics get out of the relationship? They sell a lot to breakers at the expense of the average buyer/collector. They could sell just as much product as higher costs direct to consumers and not really need the breakers.

I'm not saying it has to be so extreme (either today's standards or cut out the breakers completely), but if the scales tipped more towards John Q. Public, isn't that better for Fanatics long-term?

If the margins are as high as you say (they might be even higher), the breakers should be at the mercy of Fanatics. But Fanatics acts as though they are at the mercy of the breakers.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Right. So what does Fanatics get out of the relationship? They sell a lot to breakers at the expense of the average buyer/collector. They could sell just as much product as higher costs direct to consumers and not really need the breakers.

I'm not saying it has to be so extreme (either today's standards or cut out the breakers completely), but if the scales tipped more towards John Q. Public, isn't that better for Fanatics long-term?

If the margins are as high as you say (they might be even higher), the breakers should be at the mercy of Fanatics. But Fanatics acts as though they are at the mercy of the breakers.

This is just how it's been the last 6 years. Panini and Topps have not needed them for that time but still sell at these prices. Topps has made some changes to get the money back. Panini really hasn't done anything. Billions of immediate resale value given away. No other industry besides this does the secondary seller immediately get the biggest piece of the pie.

I think Topps has needed them though to a certain degree with the new sales method. Most of the print run of popular products has been held back and sold at later prices to this small group. Who knows if it would be possible or to what extent. A big reason the products have gone up is because of artificial scarcity. Of course you have no idea when they will release waves. I thought Disney Sapphire would be popular but they virtually immediately released Wave 2 and prices went down. I can only say for sure on ones I followed/had some of. I had a bunch of Topps Royalty. They waited awhile on that one but once they released it suddenly a ton became available and the price went down and was stagnant for a good amount of time. That's just 1 of a few factors with it being hard to buy on the secondary market for a normal buyer. Many times you're at the mercy of when they decide to release future waves of product to their good buddies.

If auctions stick it will be because Fanatics has realized it's in their overall best interest long term. The every product that matters back door bs is very shortsighted and would continue to hurt aspects for them long term.

Of course we don't know for certain how these auctions will go. If they are ran similar to Panini auctions 2019-2021 (almost all product available during the auctions) then by far the most amount of these products will be in the hands of the public versus the vast minority of money tree members and bots. Way more than any other point the last 4 years.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Right. So what does Fanatics get out of the relationship? They sell a lot to breakers at the expense of the average buyer/collector. They could sell just as much product as higher costs direct to consumers and not really need the breakers.

I'm not saying it has to be so extreme (either today's standards or cut out the breakers completely), but if the scales tipped more towards John Q. Public, isn't that better for Fanatics long-term?

If the margins are as high as you say (they might be even higher), the breakers should be at the mercy of Fanatics. But Fanatics acts as though they are at the mercy of the breakers.

If you’re a breaker on Fanatics Live you’re getting double dipped. Fanatics sells them the product then takes a % of sales from the breaks.

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Right. So what does Fanatics get out of the relationship? They sell a lot to breakers at the expense of the average buyer/collector. They could sell just as much product as higher costs direct to consumers and not really need the breakers.

I'm not saying it has to be so extreme (either today's standards or cut out the breakers completely), but if the scales tipped more towards John Q. Public, isn't that better for Fanatics long-term?

If the margins are as high as you say (they might be even higher), the breakers should be at the mercy of Fanatics. But Fanatics acts as though they are at the mercy of the breakers.

They use breakers to create FOMO while still getting product out by creating artificial scarcity. This raises prices and puts the supply demand curves out of whack. Plus, they use it for free marketing when the bros scream whenever they hit a pink-purple unicorn skinned alligator tail refractor. Only problem there is that their platform doesn't make that screaming easy to find and screenshot. That's the irony in it...their own platform makes things difficult to find. But...what Topps gets out of that is not only the sale price of the product to the breakers but also a portion of all sales. When Topps limits product to mostly breakers, especially those on fanatics live...well...you can now see what Topps gets out of it...they get to charge twice for the same product.

[Prox3]

Is there going to be a 2025 Brooklyn Collection? I see the 2021 just sold out on Blowout and most others are sold out. Bummed I didn't jump on them. The rookie class for 2021 is meh, but the autos are really good. Assuming the 2021 won't be found for under $400 soon, just like the others.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Prox3

Is there going to be a 2025 Brooklyn Collection? I see the 2021 just sold out on Blowout and most others are sold out. Bummed I didn't jump on them. The rookie class for 2021 is meh, but the autos are really good. Assuming the 2021 won't be found for under $400 soon, just like the others.

that would be a no

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[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by bub838

that would be a no

Are they making Brooklyn Collection at all this year? That was always one of my favorite sets. Usually a good checklist at a good price. Cards always looked great. Last year, I got 3 boxes, and got a Yamamoto /15 auto and a Koufax /10 color match auto. Two of my kid's favorite cards.

[Jaypers]

Topps just announced Museum Collection will go up for pre-order today for Monty members.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Topps just announced Museum Collection will go up for pre-order today for Monty members.

they can keep that one

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Topps just announced Museum Collection will go up for pre-order today for Monty members.

Scratch that. They just sent an updated tweet without Museum Collection in it.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Scratch that. They just sent an updated tweet without Museum Collection in it.

The talentless company strikes again.

Maybe one time they’ll get corporate teams working in collaboration correctly.