Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Jeter1020]

Patty is part of my goat collection so I’m keeping what I have. I do hope some cards become a bit cheaper so I can pick stuff up I have my eye on


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[majestik101]

So now that the wheels have come off the Kansas City Chiefs gravy train and the Dynasty appears to be over, Patty card prices should be taking a nosedive, right?

I would hope so

[Jeter1020]

Also KC’s dynasty being over because they may not make the playoffs is not true.

Brady and Peyton both lost 13 times in the playoffs. Brady lost to Eli twice in the Super Bowl before winning his fourth. Did that make him less great? No

It’s football, you’re going to have early exits or not make the playoffs at times. That’s what makes it the best sport in the world.

The dynasty wasn’t over in New England when they lost and it’s not over in KC because they may not make the playoffs this year.


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[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Also KC’s dynasty being over because they may not make the playoffs is not true.

Brady and Peyton both lost 13 times in the playoffs. Brady lost to Eli twice in the Super Bowl before winning his fourth. Did that make him less great? No

It’s football, you’re going to have early exits or not make the playoffs at times. That’s what makes it the best sport in the world.

The dynasty wasn’t over in New England when they lost and it’s not over in KC because they may not make the playoffs this year.


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Brady never missed the playoffs in his prime.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Brady never missed the playoffs in his prime.

He did lose to Eli and Flacco and didn’t win a Super Bowl for 10 years


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[Tea10]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

So here's the deal. I love Mahomes. I live here in KC. I remember the days of Montana Bono, Grbac, Green, Croyle, Cassel etc.

I'm super thankful for the 3 SB's that Mahomes has brought home but let's be honest....unless the coaching staff / front office decides to actually get Mahomes a decent RB and stops depending on Mahomes to carry the whole team by himself....KC is cooked. You need a good RB game to help compliment the passing game. Every team knows we don't run. That's NOT a good thing.

If you would have told me at the beginning of the year that we'd be 5-5 with all of our WR's healthy, I would have laughed at you.

This sport is fickle. A lot of people including me have sunk a lot of money into Mahomes. The Chiefs aren't getting better...it's actually getting worse.

There's a reason why I sold my biggest Mahomes card and basically swapped it out for Ichiro's Ultimate rookie.

Unless something changes...there will be a ton of bag holders at the end of his career. I was talking to a good KC buddy of mine last night that has a phenomenal Mahomes collection....even he said...that it might be time to look at his PC and see what needs to go and what needs to stay.

The smart move is to take a good hard look at your PC and figure out what cards you absolutely want to keep and what you can live without. Don't feel guilty...it's the smart move.

That being said if and when his cards come down, I'll see what I can pick up but not at his current prices.

Don't let your loyalty hurt your wallet. It's ok to still absolutely love Mahomes but not be massively vested in Mahomes at the same time. Both can be true.

I'm a Patriots fan. I used to waste a lot of time analyzing and posting on sites about the team, I've watched them since Bledsoe days. The amount of times I've heard this exact thing said about the Patriots Dynasty being over or fans blaming the defense, or Brady, or saying we need a RB or ILB is comical. The "dynasty" is not necessarily over.

In terms of running the ball, that is predominantly the OL. That is the engine and I would estimate ~80-90% of the equation minimum combined with scheme, play-calling, passing effectiveness.

I think you do have a point about RB. Maybe Pacheco never recovered from injury, Hunt is old, but maybe it's mostly the run blocking and scheme. I do think they could upgrade at RB obviously, but I don't think that it matters too much. It should have been an easy fix anyway, invest a late 2nd to 4th rounder via the draft or trade...

Anyway, from watching KC games I see the issue being the WR corps. Kelce looks washed. Worthy would be an outstanding WR3, but he's effectively been thrust into WR1. Hollywood Brown is decent. Rice just came back, he's been good but was shut down yesterday.

The real issue is I don't see any separation most of the time from the occasional Kelce sitting in a gap in the zone or Worthy burning someone. Mahomes is forcing too much with his legs, because no one is open. And he has absolutely been off this year, I've seen him miss a lot of deep throws to Worthy specifically. I don't think having a better RB suddenly fixes the offense. Maybe, if that RB was a top tier receiving back as well, then you have a point. But in terms of running the ball more effectively? Eh.

The offense has put up some stinkers. This team lost very close games, but they only put up 19 points against DEN, 17 against Philly, 21 against BUF, and 28 with a pick-six swing of 7 points against JAX.

I completely agree it's the offense. I don't think a RB solves this. What would have solved this was drafting a young TE to replace Kelce or finding one, or a real WR1-2 capable talent. Neither existed on this roster.

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

So here's the deal. I love Mahomes. I live here in KC. I remember the days of Montana Bono, Grbac, Green, Croyle, Cassel etc.

I'm super thankful for the 3 SB's that Mahomes has brought home but let's be honest....unless the coaching staff / front office decides to actually get Mahomes a decent RB and stops depending on Mahomes to carry the whole team by himself....KC is cooked. You need a good RB game to help compliment the passing game. Every team knows we don't run. That's NOT a good thing.

If you would have told me at the beginning of the year that we'd be 5-5 with all of our WR's healthy, I would have laughed at you.

This sport is fickle. A lot of people including me have sunk a lot of money into Mahomes. The Chiefs aren't getting better...it's actually getting worse.

There's a reason why I sold my biggest Mahomes card and basically swapped it out for Ichiro's Ultimate rookie.

Unless something changes...there will be a ton of bag holders at the end of his career. I was talking to a good KC buddy of mine last night that has a phenomenal Mahomes collection....even he said...that it might be time to look at his PC and see what needs to go and what needs to stay.

The smart move is to take a good hard look at your PC and figure out what cards you absolutely want to keep and what you can live without. Don't feel guilty...it's the smart move.

That being said if and when his cards come down, I'll see what I can pick up but not at his current prices.

Don't let your loyalty hurt your wallet. It's ok to still absolutely love Mahomes but not be massively vested in Mahomes at the same time. Both can be true.

There are 20,000 people who own Mahomes cards and I guarantee 90% of all of them have already been doing that the past 2 years.

[Tea10]

Succinct version:

The Chiefs are 5-5. Their 5 losses consist of them scoring a net: 17, 19, 21, 21, 21 - points on offense.

Obviously you cannot expect to win in this league when you're averaging 19.8 points per game in losses. And that isn't what the Chiefs have done since 2018 with Mahomes, it's not how the team is built or wins. So you're right, something is the problem. I don't think it's RB talent to run the ball. I think it's receiving talent overall whether that be a plus receiving back, an actual WR1-2, or a better/younger TE 1-2 at this point.

[jacksonjj]

KC's problem against the Broncos was the lines on both sides of the ball were getting dominated by Denver.

Mahomes was under way more pressure than Nix because the Denver oline was better than the KC dline, and the Denver dline was better than the KC oline.

That was obvious throughout the whole game for anyone paying attention.

And it's been true for Mahomes' whole career: you pressure him, you win, just like any other football team. It's the blueprint and is not a secret.

Some games Mahomes does a better job making up for the mismatch on the lines. He didn't yesterday. Nix looked much more comfortable in the pocket the whole game. KC could get no pressure on him at all. That's where the games are won and lost.

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

KC's problem against the Broncos was the lines on both sides of the ball were getting dominated by Denver.

Mahomes was under way more pressure than Nix because the Denver oline was better than the KC dline, and the Denver dline was better than the KC oline.

That was obvious throughout the whole game for anyone paying attention.

And it's been true for Mahomes' whole career: you pressure him, you win, just like any other football team. It's the blueprint and is not a secret.

Some games Mahomes does a better job making up for the mismatch on the lines. He didn't yesterday. Nix looked much more comfortable in the pocket the whole game. KC could get no pressure on him at all. That's where the games are won and lost.

Denver has an elite defense. Of course the trenches matters a ton, that's why the Giants won both SBs vs Patriots on top of extreme luck of it flipping either way on two separate single plays.

But I think all year long the receiving talent has been the real issue. Simmons was back for yesterday's game too. Traded Thuney away, probably got blown up on IDL but it is what it is.

[boxbuster7]

imagine posting 4 times in a row in a thread where everybody has you blocked

[Jeter1020]

Anyway, maybe the aqua rated rookie will drop in price a bit


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[chompie99]

Originally Posted by Tea10

Denver has an elite defense. Of course the trenches matters a ton, that's why the Giants won both SBs vs Patriots on top of extreme luck of it flipping either way on two separate single plays.

But I think all year long the receiving talent has been the real issue. Simmons was back for yesterday's game too. Traded Thuney away, probably got blown up on IDL but it is what it is.

I appreciate your perspective as a Patriot fan and agree that a lot of time is wasted overanalyzing things at times. The Chiefs haven’t been the same since McKinnon as a third down passing back option. He had that little bit extra explosiveness that other backs lack. Also Pacheco has been not as explosive post-injury.
Agree that Denver has an elite defense that reduces offensive effectiveness. Chiefs struggles with a good defense are well documented. Season definitely isn’t over yet, but just getting into playoffs has to be the goal. There is a narrowing window so it has to start by beating the Colts.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by chompie99

I appreciate your perspective as a Patriot fan and agree that a lot of time is wasted overanalyzing things at times. The Chiefs haven’t been the same since McKinnon as a third down passing back option. He had that little bit extra explosiveness that other backs lack. Also Pacheco has been not as explosive post-injury.
Agree that Denver has an elite defense that reduces offensive effectiveness. Chiefs struggles with a good defense are well documented. Season definitely isn’t over yet, but just getting into playoffs has to be the goal. There is a narrowing window so it has to start by beating the Colts.

I think Kareem is good for the short yardage stuff. But they need a back with burst. Should be top priority in the upcoming draft


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[chompie99]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

I think Kareem is good for the short yardage stuff. But they need a back with burst. Should be top priority in the upcoming draft


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Breece Hall would’ve been ideal but I imagine the Jets wanted too much.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by chompie99

Breece Hall would’ve been ideal but I imagine the Jets wanted too much.

Breece paired with Kareem would have helped a ton


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[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Tea10

I'm a Patriots fan. I used to waste a lot of time analyzing and posting on sites about the team, I've watched them since Bledsoe days. The amount of times I've heard this exact thing said about the Patriots Dynasty being over or fans blaming the defense, or Brady, or saying we need a RB or ILB is comical. The "dynasty" is not necessarily over.

In terms of running the ball, that is predominantly the OL. That is the engine and I would estimate ~80-90% of the equation minimum combined with scheme, play-calling, passing effectiveness.

I think you do have a point about RB. Maybe Pacheco never recovered from injury, Hunt is old, but maybe it's mostly the run blocking and scheme. I do think they could upgrade at RB obviously, but I don't think that it matters too much. It should have been an easy fix anyway, invest a late 2nd to 4th rounder via the draft or trade...

Anyway, from watching KC games I see the issue being the WR corps. Kelce looks washed. Worthy would be an outstanding WR3, but he's effectively been thrust into WR1. Hollywood Brown is decent. Rice just came back, he's been good but was shut down yesterday.

The real issue is I don't see any separation most of the time from the occasional Kelce sitting in a gap in the zone or Worthy burning someone. Mahomes is forcing too much with his legs, because no one is open. And he has absolutely been off this year, I've seen him miss a lot of deep throws to Worthy specifically. I don't think having a better RB suddenly fixes the offense. Maybe, if that RB was a top tier receiving back as well, then you have a point. But in terms of running the ball more effectively? Eh.

The offense has put up some stinkers. This team lost very close games, but they only put up 19 points against DEN, 17 against Philly, 21 against BUF, and 28 with a pick-six swing of 7 points against JAX.

I completely agree it's the offense. I don't think a RB solves this. What would have solved this was drafting a young TE to replace Kelce or finding one, or a real WR1-2 capable talent. Neither existed on this roster.

Originally Posted by chompie99

I appreciate your perspective as a Patriot fan and agree that a lot of time is wasted overanalyzing things at times. The Chiefs haven’t been the same since McKinnon as a third down passing back option. He had that little bit extra explosiveness that other backs lack. Also Pacheco has been not as explosive post-injury.
Agree that Denver has an elite defense that reduces offensive effectiveness. Chiefs struggles with a good defense are well documented. Season definitely isn’t over yet, but just getting into playoffs has to be the goal. There is a narrowing window so it has to start by beating the Colts.

I recall the Patriots always having a top-tier receiving back to help out TB12.

Kevin Faulk
James White

[KardsC1]

People need to relax!!!

Do you guys not recall the stinker on Christmas Day when they lost to raiders then went on to win the SB??

Look, the league overall has gotten better including the broncos…KC, bills, ravens are no longer superior to the rest of the afc …can the chiefs still win thr SB? Yes but the odds are less now because the margins for Ws are razer thin now vs prior years…

Kc has flashes of great play (when chiefs was winning by double digits and mahomes was in the mvp convo)
But kc has also looked meh….they are not CONSISTENT…that’s their biggest hurdle … I think after this season, they need to change things up…sometimes regurgitating the same roster and coaches is good for dynasties but also can lead to being stale

As far as What cards to keep or sell…I always collect stuff that don’t sell often or stuff that I don’t think I can get back ..so no problem for me…I’m a long term guy..2025 season is a small bump on the road in terms of mahomes career and especially to his COLLECTABILITY

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

People need to relax!!!

Do you guys not recall the stinker on Christmas Day when they lost to raiders then went on to win the SB??

Look, the league overall has gotten better including the broncos…KC, bills, ravens are no longer superior to the rest of the afc …can the chiefs still win thr SB? Yes but the odds are less now because the margins for Ws are razer thin now vs prior years…

Kc has flashes of great play (when chiefs was winning by double digits and mahomes was in the mvp convo)
But kc has also looked meh….they are not CONSISTENT…that’s their biggest hurdle … I think after this season, they need to change things up…sometimes regurgitating the same roster and coaches is good for dynasties but also can lead to being stale

As far as What cards to keep or sell…I always collect stuff that don’t sell often or stuff that I don’t think I can get back ..so no problem for me…I’m a long term guy..2025 season is a small bump on the road in terms of mahomes career and especially to his COLLECTABILITY

I agree! No need for doom and gloom. I’m also long term so I’m hoping to pick stuff up


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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Can we get a welfare check on TJFarce and ImBrownStreak?

I'm legitimately concerned.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Can we get a welfare check on TJFarce and ImBrownStreak?

I'm legitimately concerned.

lol

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Can we get a welfare check on TJFarce and ImBrownStreak?

I'm legitimately concerned.

yeah, I'm sure they're not lurking in here or anything.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

So here's the deal. I love Mahomes. I live here in KC. I remember the days of Montana Bono, Grbac, Green, Croyle, Cassel etc.

I'm super thankful for the 3 SB's that Mahomes has brought home but let's be honest....unless the coaching staff / front office decides to actually get Mahomes a decent RB and stops depending on Mahomes to carry the whole team by himself....KC is cooked. You need a good RB game to help compliment the passing game. Every team knows we don't run. That's NOT a good thing.

If you would have told me at the beginning of the year that we'd be 5-5 with all of our WR's healthy, I would have laughed at you.

This sport is fickle. A lot of people including me have sunk a lot of money into Mahomes. The Chiefs aren't getting better...it's actually getting worse.

There's a reason why I sold my biggest Mahomes card and basically swapped it out for Ichiro's Ultimate rookie.

Unless something changes...there will be a ton of bag holders at the end of his career. I was talking to a good KC buddy of mine last night that has a phenomenal Mahomes collection....even he said...that it might be time to look at his PC and see what needs to go and what needs to stay.

The smart move is to take a good hard look at your PC and figure out what cards you absolutely want to keep and what you can live without. Don't feel guilty...it's the smart move.

That being said if and when his cards come down, I'll see what I can pick up but not at his current prices.

Don't let your loyalty hurt your wallet. It's ok to still absolutely love Mahomes but not be massively vested in Mahomes at the same time. Both can be true.

Originally Posted by majestik101

So now that the wheels have come off the Kansas City Chiefs gravy train and the Dynasty appears to be over, Patty card prices should be taking a nosedive, right?

I would hope so

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Brady never missed the playoffs in his prime.

We are all prisoners of the moment. The answer to so many of these questions really does come down to what you believe about Patty's future. Is this really his ultimate demise? Is he really slowly getting worse and worse and will never be the same, such as Russell Wilson who absolutely fell off a cliff after about year 10? Is he Mike Trout - unbelievably fast start but now a shell of himself? Or do you believe in him long-term and do you think he'll win at least one more SB or maybe even 2? It's been said many times, but Brady went TEN YEARS between SB wins. Longer than Mahomes has been playing. I've been in this hobby for a long time, but came "back" in 2010. During that time I had ample opportunity to invest in Brady. I bought and sold him many times, but there were many many years where I thought "this is it. It's over for him" and sold everything only to have 28-3 happen and so much more. Will it suck if the Chiefs don't make the playoffs? Yes. Will anyone care in 15 years if he wins one or two more? Absolutely not. I am a HUGE football fan and honestly could not tell you what happened to the Patriots in those 10 years without a SB, other than they lost twice to the Giants. The other 8 years? No idea. To put it in perspective, look at the years BETWEEN SB appearances for Brady. And then realize if the Chiefs don't go this year, it will be one year between appearances. Think about that.

SB XXXVI vs St. Louis Rams (2002)
SB XXXVIII vs Carolina Panthers (2004)
SB XXXIX vs Philadelphia Eagles (2005)
SB XLII vs NY Giants (2008)
SB XLVI vs NY Giants (2012)

*At this point in his 10 year career he was 3-2 in Super Bowls*

SB XLIX vs Seattle Seahawks (2015)
SB LI vs Atlanta Falcons (2017)
SB LII vs Philadelphia Eagles (2018)
SB LIII vs Los Angeles Rams (2019)
SB LV vs Kansas City Chiefs (2022)

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by cnewby

yeah, I'm sure they're not lurking in here or anything.

When tjfarce isn’t in here doing his Baghdad bob impersonation and ensuring the panicking mahomies that everything’s alright when it clearly isn’t, something’s wrong.

It’s a good sign the sky is falling.

[boxbuster7]

who is Baghdad bob?