2025 Pro Debut - Page 10

DogInFrance · 11-12-2025, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

It is a fun product. It is also printed to the moon this year.

Don't think $175 is sustainable. Probably settles around $120-125. I don't think you're missing out if you don't order from Topps.

I did the math a bit ago and there's ~158k total paper autographs and ~56k total chrome autographs. Something like 10-15k total additional relic and insert autographs. Equates to 50k boxes on the conservative side.

They tried to generate hype with the logoman 1/1 patches but only produced 28 total, so they're ~ 1/1800 boxes.

2024 is readily available for $175 shipped and has Skenes, Chourio, Anthony, and the Miz autos.

Kurtz, Made, Yesavage are all nice but I venture to guess 2024 is the superior checklist. The 2025 chrome on card autos are nice, though.

Wow, thanks for running the math and sharing.

Any idea how much 2024 was produced for comparison sake?

Boredlawyer · 11-12-2025, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DogInFrance

Wow, thanks for running the math and sharing.

Any idea how much 2024 was produced for comparison sake?

Haven't looked at those but should be easy to gauge if you have the odds and a numbered cards for reference.

I realized now I actually undershot how much was made in 2025 because I didn't account for the # of non-parallel base paper autos. When they release odds it will be easy to determine how much was made.

auctionjmm · 11-12-2025, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Haven't looked at those but should be easy to gauge if you have the odds and a numbered cards for reference.

I realized now I actually undershot how much was made in 2025 because I didn't account for the # of non-parallel base paper autos. When they release odds it will be easy to determine how much was made.

The 2024 odds were that weird one-off where they grouped everything together, so we never really got the true odds of anything lol.

timber63401 · 11-12-2025, 06:31 PM

Busted my 2 boxes fun rip tons of / cards here are my (8) Autos:

Tong/75
Mathis Base
Houck Patch Auto /99
Henley /199
Bonemer Base
Caminiti /99
Soto /50
Mitchell Patch Auto /150

mikejones · 11-12-2025, 07:10 PM

Anyone get chromes like this? Half of the chrome in 1 box was like this.

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eastbayak · 11-12-2025, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejones

Anyone get chromes like this? Half of the chrome in 1 box was like this.

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Nope, never had 4 1/1s in a box before.

green4407 · 11-12-2025, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejones

Anyone get chromes like this? Half of the chrome in 1 box was like this.

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One of my boxes had the bottom 3 chrome cards in each pack with a mangled bottom right corner. I have 17 cards I'll be sending back to Topps.

bhundley · 11-12-2025, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejones

Anyone get chromes like this? Half of the chrome in 1 box was like this.

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Same here. And had the busted corner issue with a number of chromes. Probably tossed 20 cards. Gross. That said, enjoyed the hits in this. Will post the best shortly.

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MotorboatJones · 11-12-2025, 08:41 PM

That sucks. My Chrome all looked fantastic

BabaORiley · 11-12-2025, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

It is a fun product. It is also printed to the moon this year.

Don't think $175 is sustainable. Probably settles around $120-125. I don't think you're missing out if you don't order from Topps.

I did the math a bit ago and there's ~158k total paper autographs and ~56k total chrome autographs. Something like 10-15k total additional relic and insert autographs. Equates to 50k boxes on the conservative side.

They tried to generate hype with the logoman 1/1 patches but only produced 28 total, so they're ~ 1/1800 boxes.

2024 is readily available for $175 shipped and has Skenes, Chourio, Anthony, and the Miz autos.

Kurtz, Made, Yesavage are all nice but I venture to guess 2024 is the superior checklist. The 2025 chrome on card autos are nice, though.

I do prefer the 2024 mainly because I prefer the 2024 design but the chrome on-card autos are a very nice touch.

Speaking of Anthony - they've done that dude wrong with the photos used for Pro Debut the past 2 years. Same basic "getting a lead off 2nd" pose in different unis. Really bad choice(s).

scotchtape0 · 11-12-2025, 11:05 PM

Ripped 26 boxes. The in-card chrome autos are a huge improvement over past years.

Best autos:

Trey Yesavage Orange Chrome /25
Caleb Bonemer Gold Chrome /50
Jesus Made Future Cornerstones /99
JJ Wetherholt Future Cornerstones /25
Jac Caglianone / Bryce Eldridge Dual /25
Blake Mitchell Patch /10
Luke Keachall Chrome /199
Kaelen Culpepper Chrome /199
Kristian Campbell Paper /75
Colt Emerson Paper /99
Zyhir Hope Paper (x4) - one #d /299
Jesus Made Paper (x2) - one #d /299

Non-Auto I hit a couple Kurtz chrome parallels

auctionjmm · 11-13-2025, 05:48 AM

Not sure how others did on ratio but was surprised that 28 of my 41 autos were #'d. Best was probably green McGonigle /99 although I need to investigate a few other players I'm not familiar with.

MotorboatJones · 11-13-2025, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Not sure how others did on ratio but was surprised that 28 of my 41 autos were #'d. Best was probably green McGonigle /99 although I need to investigate a few other players I'm not familiar with.

I have opened just two boxes and only got 1 unnumbered auto. The other 7 were numbered.

PoPCulture · 11-13-2025, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Not sure how others did on ratio but was surprised that 28 of my 41 autos were #'d. Best was probably green McGonigle /99 although I need to investigate a few other players I'm not familiar with.

I preordered 8 boxes and received a Fankencase instead of a factory sealed case. It had 21 numbered and 12 unnumbered (there was an extra auto that I didn’t notice while opening). Most of the base paper autos were really good names though so that helps. I have a sealed case coming so I’m hoping for a little higher ratio of numbered autos in that one.

smanzari · 11-13-2025, 11:47 AM

MY chrome was like that last year (severely miscut), but much worse than 4 cards (IIRC I sent back nearly 2 boxes worth to Topps)

Did 2 Boxes and was Pretty Decent:

Autos:
JD Dix
Kavares Tears
Yeremi Cabrera
Nick Kurtz
Khadim Diaw (Sparkle /175)
Cam Caminiti (Red /10)
Levi Sterling (Chrome Ref /199)
Drew Bean (Chrome Gold /50)
Caleb Bonemer (Chrome Orange /25)

Other Notables:
Bryce Eldridge Ballpark Promos Orange Foil /25
Jac Caglianone Fuchsia /199

Scarlet Knight · 11-13-2025, 12:27 PM

Just ripped the one box I got. I am thrilled with what I pulled, to say the least.

I beat the odds by getting five autographs, including a couple of sweet ones.

Cam Smith (Chrome Red, 4/5, on card auto)
Ryan Waldschmidt (Red, 1/10)
Luis Almeyda (Blue, 88/150)
Romeo Sanabria (107/175)
Tai Peete

crpav · 11-13-2025, 12:30 PM

Great results above. Can send the Bonemers my way...

PumpnDumpling · 11-13-2025, 02:14 PM

Bought a case at presell and sold 6 boxes at 160 to basically allow me two free boxes which were OK if not slightly underwhelming. Still a good chunk needed for a base set so going back to the well for a couple more to hopefully fill in the remainder

bhundley · 11-13-2025, 05:54 PM

Autos and other things of note from my two boxes:

5/8 autos un-numbered paper:

Chase Burns
Yeremi Cabrera
Sean Keys
George Wolkow
Khadim Diaw

Kyle DeBarge Green Paper /99
Dante Nori Chrome Refractor /199
Blake Mitchell Green Chrome Relic /99 (this is a beauty of a card and a cool three-color game-used patch)

Paper color

John Spikerman Red /10
Charlie Condon Green /99
Bryce Meccage Blue /150
Travis Sykora Speckle /175
Braylin Morel, Billy Amick Magenta /199
Lazaro Montes Purple /299

Chrome color

Esteban Gonzalez Red Speckle /5
Chase Harlan Purple /125
Brooks Brannon, Eli Serrano Blue /150
Cole Messina, Bryce Cunningham Refractor /199

So nothing very big, not really any of the big names in color or auto. But the cards look good (except for the mangled and miscut chrome base that are some of the worst QC I’ve ever seen) and I enjoyed the rip.

On to the next!

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lemmer · 11-13-2025, 07:37 PM

nothing to write home about in terms of big hits from my 3 boxes. great QC and about 60% numbered vs. unnumbered autos. I'm just looking to complete a set and make a few bucks back. I haven't finished recording base but I imagine I'm pretty close on the set. I do wish I had the option of fewer chromes and more base in the former hobby box format.

I love the product and it was so nice to be able to casually buy some presale, have it show up on time with no issues, and just sit down to open some packs.

10/10 would recommend

sandlotsportcards · 11-13-2025, 07:47 PM

Opened 1 of the 2 boxes I ordered. My son will open the other. Got shorted an auto. Here are my hits.

Boredlawyer · 11-13-2025, 08:48 PM

Opened four boxes. Meh, nothing too special.

Wetherholt Gold Foil /50
Condon Cornerstones auto /99
Mayer Patch Auto /50 Redemption
No name pitcher orange refractor auto /25
Franklin Arias Green foil Auto /99

Coolest card was probably a Charlie Blackmon Orange Foil that was his jersey #/25.

No Yesavage, Griffin or Made but still decently fun.

scotchtape0 · 11-13-2025, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Opened four boxes. Meh, nothing too special.

Wetherholt Gold Foil /50
Condon Cornerstones auto /99
Mayer Patch Auto /50 Redemption
No name pitcher orange refractor auto /25
Franklin Arias Green foil Auto /99

Coolest card was probably a Charlie Blackmon Orange Foil that was his jersey #/25.

No Yesavage, Griffin or Made but still decently fun.

You call a box with a Mayer patch auto /50, Condon Auto /99 and Franklin Arias Auto /99 and a Wetherholt /50 “meh”? . I would have been ecstatic

Boredlawyer · 11-13-2025, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by scotchtape0

You call a box with a Mayer patch auto /50, Condon Auto /99 and Franklin Arias Auto /99 and a Wetherholt /50 “meh”? . I would have been ecstatic

It was four boxes.

BabaORiley · 11-14-2025, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

It was four boxes.

His point remains valid. That's a pretty stellar 4-box break.

11-12-2025, 07:10 PM	#230
mikejones Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: fresno Posts: 5,128	Anyone get chromes like this? Half of the chrome in 1 box was like this. Sent from my SM-G981U1 using Tapatalk __________________ Why the hell are you buying Siemian stuff. Dude is done, can't you tell I'm trying to get rid of him because he'll never be our starting QB again....

11-12-2025, 11:05 PM	#236
scotchtape0 Member Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 481 alehsportscards	Ripped 26 boxes. The in-card chrome autos are a huge improvement over past years. Best autos: Trey Yesavage Orange Chrome /25 Caleb Bonemer Gold Chrome /50 Jesus Made Future Cornerstones /99 JJ Wetherholt Future Cornerstones /25 Jac Caglianone / Bryce Eldridge Dual /25 Blake Mitchell Patch /10 Luke Keachall Chrome /199 Kaelen Culpepper Chrome /199 Kristian Campbell Paper /75 Colt Emerson Paper /99 Zyhir Hope Paper (x4) - one #d /299 Jesus Made Paper (x2) - one #d /299 Non-Auto I hit a couple Kurtz chrome parallels __________________ MY COLLECTION: https://www.instagram.com/alehsportscards/

11-13-2025, 07:37 PM	#245
lemmer Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 714	nothing to write home about in terms of big hits from my 3 boxes. great QC and about 60% numbered vs. unnumbered autos. I'm just looking to complete a set and make a few bucks back. I haven't finished recording base but I imagine I'm pretty close on the set. I do wish I had the option of fewer chromes and more base in the former hobby box format. I love the product and it was so nice to be able to casually buy some presale, have it show up on time with no issues, and just sit down to open some packs. 10/10 would recommend __________________ Collecting sf giants flagship golds / sf giants heritage chrome refractors / minor league sets All offers are good for 24 hours. Trading @ https://bit.ly/jon-trade-hub

11-12-2025, 06:31 PM	#229
timber63401 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 1,662 timber63401	Busted my 2 boxes fun rip tons of / cards here are my (8) Autos: Tong/75 Mathis Base Houck Patch Auto /99 Henley /199 Bonemer Base Caminiti /99 Soto /50 Mitchell Patch Auto /150

11-12-2025, 08:41 PM	#234
MotorboatJones Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 3,854	That sucks. My Chrome all looked fantastic

11-13-2025, 05:48 AM	#237
auctionjmm Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 10,055 auctionjmm	Not sure how others did on ratio but was surprised that 28 of my 41 autos were #'d. Best was probably green McGonigle /99 although I need to investigate a few other players I'm not familiar with.

11-13-2025, 11:47 AM	#240
smanzari Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: N/A Posts: 10,653	MY chrome was like that last year (severely miscut), but much worse than 4 cards (IIRC I sent back nearly 2 boxes worth to Topps) Did 2 Boxes and was Pretty Decent: Autos: JD Dix Kavares Tears Yeremi Cabrera Nick Kurtz Khadim Diaw (Sparkle /175) Cam Caminiti (Red /10) Levi Sterling (Chrome Ref /199) Drew Bean (Chrome Gold /50) Caleb Bonemer (Chrome Orange /25) Other Notables: Bryce Eldridge Ballpark Promos Orange Foil /25 Jac Caglianone Fuchsia /199

11-13-2025, 12:27 PM	#241
Scarlet Knight Member Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: New Jersey Posts: 312	Just ripped the one box I got. I am thrilled with what I pulled, to say the least. I beat the odds by getting five autographs, including a couple of sweet ones. Cam Smith (Chrome Red, 4/5, on card auto) Ryan Waldschmidt (Red, 1/10) Luis Almeyda (Blue, 88/150) Romeo Sanabria (107/175) Tai Peete

11-13-2025, 12:30 PM	#242
crpav Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 3,177	Great results above. Can send the Bonemers my way...

11-13-2025, 02:14 PM	#243
PumpnDumpling Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: USA Posts: 2,977 Super-Hobby Woody615	Bought a case at presell and sold 6 boxes at 160 to basically allow me two free boxes which were OK if not slightly underwhelming. Still a good chunk needed for a base set so going back to the well for a couple more to hopefully fill in the remainder

11-13-2025, 05:54 PM	#244
bhundley Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Durham, N.C. Posts: 217 huntley939	Autos and other things of note from my two boxes: 5/8 autos un-numbered paper: Chase Burns Yeremi Cabrera Sean Keys George Wolkow Khadim Diaw Kyle DeBarge Green Paper /99 Dante Nori Chrome Refractor /199 Blake Mitchell Green Chrome Relic /99 (this is a beauty of a card and a cool three-color game-used patch) Paper color John Spikerman Red /10 Charlie Condon Green /99 Bryce Meccage Blue /150 Travis Sykora Speckle /175 Braylin Morel, Billy Amick Magenta /199 Lazaro Montes Purple /299 Chrome color Esteban Gonzalez Red Speckle /5 Chase Harlan Purple /125 Brooks Brannon, Eli Serrano Blue /150 Cole Messina, Bryce Cunningham Refractor /199 So nothing very big, not really any of the big names in color or auto. But the cards look good (except for the mangled and miscut chrome base that are some of the worst QC I’ve ever seen) and I enjoyed the rip. On to the next! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-13-2025, 07:47 PM	#246
sandlotsportcards Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Massillon Ohio Posts: 3,145 sandlotsportcards nkirkbride	Opened 1 of the 2 boxes I ordered. My son will open the other. Got shorted an auto. Here are my hits.

11-13-2025, 08:48 PM	#247
Boredlawyer Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 2,138	Opened four boxes. Meh, nothing too special. Wetherholt Gold Foil /50 Condon Cornerstones auto /99 Mayer Patch Auto /50 Redemption No name pitcher orange refractor auto /25 Franklin Arias Green foil Auto /99 Coolest card was probably a Charlie Blackmon Orange Foil that was his jersey #/25. No Yesavage, Griffin or Made but still decently fun.