Will collectors ever care about WS Rings, like collectors do about the NFL & NBA?

[jlzinck]

I mean Ted Williams is so popular because of all the rings he won

[hermanotarjeta]

If the players care about rings, you would think that would influence the collectors abit.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by rats60

This. Mickey Mantle cards are worth more than Ted Williams and Willie Mays cards. It is because of Mantle's rings

No it's not.

[49ersSF]

Certain collectors will do anything to protect the legacy of their investment. Over the last 10 years, you have seen massive efforts to invalidate the importance of the playoffs and World Series rings for certain players. The interesting thing is how other players, like Clayton Kershaw, received the opposite effect, and people refused to validate if HOF standing until he got rings.

The truth is that it matters. It's not the end-all, be-all, as players can have great careers and still be worthy of the Hall of Fame. However, just like any other sport, it is something to put on the Hall of Fame resume, which shows its importance. This alone can play a big part in who collectors target with their collecting.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

No it's not.

Actually, it mostly is.

Back then if you didn't live in Boston or New York/SF, you couldn't see Ted Williams or Willie Mays on TV unless they came to town. But Mantle was on everyone's TV for 12 Octobers from 1951 to 1964. If Mantle played for Philadelphia/Kansas City/Oakland A's during that time, he'd just be another great hitting hall of famer like Eddie Mathews.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

Post season does matter for baseball collectors otherwise Corey Seager rookies would still be in the quarter box.

Same with Kike rookies...

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rats60

This. Mickey Mantle cards are worth more than Ted Williams and Willie Mays cards. It is because of Mantle's rings

It is because he won a bunch a rings playing for the iconic and big-market Yankees. Ditto for a player like Derek Jeter.

I bet most fans don't know how many rings Mantle won, but they'd know what team he played.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

There is no rule against intentionally walking someone in MLB. They walked Bonds with the bases loaded, so its possible that a MLBer can go the entire game without being pitched to

Bonds was walked by the Angels 13 times in 30 PA during the 2002 World Series -- he still managed to hit 4 home runs and have 8 total hits.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by mfw13

This.

Buster Posey's case, when he comes up for election, will largely be based on the fact that he led the Giants to three World Series titles.

He's not in the conversation based on his regular season achievements alone.

Very true. His 3 titles and leadership behind the plate during those postseason runs is crucial to his legacy.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Bonds was walked by the Angels 13 times in 30 PA during the 2002 World Series -- he still managed to hit 4 home runs and have 8 total hits.

He also misplayed Troy Glaus' fly ball costing his team game 6. Barry Bonds = Bill Buckner, goat not GOAT.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by rats60

He also misplayed Troy Glaus' fly ball costing his team game 6. Barry Bonds = Bill Buckner, goat not GOAT.

I have never seen someone so bitter about Bonds leaving the Pirates. You have held a grudge for 32 years. It's time to let it go, man. You'll be happier.

[6celtics33]

Ohtani had that dominant game but he also put his team in a 3-0 hole in game 7 and didn’t do anything at the plate either and the dodgers won anyway and he gets a ring so did he will them to victory? No

Madison Bumgarner if I spelled that right and Curt Schilling have done as much as anyone in my life to put teams on their back and win.

I don’t think their market is very hot.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Ohtani had that dominant game but he also put his team in a 3-0 hole in game 7 and didn’t do anything at the plate either and the dodgers won anyway and he gets a ring so did he will them to victory? No

Madison Bumgarner if I spelled that right and Curt Schilling have done as much as anyone in my life to put teams on their back and win.

I don’t think their market is very hot.

Dodgers lose the series without his game 3 performance

[marl1220]

Only to Yankee fans.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Curt Schilling have done as much as anyone in my life to put teams on their back and win.

I don’t think their market is very hot.

Schilling might not be hot but there is still demand considering gem Donruss rookies still fetch around $60. Would probably be borderline junk slabs if not for the bloody sock game.

I'm convinced Jack Morris squeezed into the Hall courtesy of his 10 inning Game 7 shutout... and that plaque bumped up his rookie card values.

Jeremy Pena rookies would probably be in the common box if not for his 2022 WS MVP performance.

They are not hot, but have some enhanced value. Same reason a Trent Dilfer NFL rookie is not a common.

[imbluestreak23]

Let's put it this way.

No rings doesn't hurt

But having rings certainly helps

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rats60

He also misplayed Troy Glaus' fly ball costing his team game 6. Barry Bonds = Bill Buckner, goat not GOAT.

You call this a misplay?: https://youtu.be/0_hRcrIwytg?t=9843

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I have never seen someone so bitter about Bonds leaving the Pirates. You have held a grudge for 32 years. It's time to let it go, man. You'll be happier.

Bonds' last three seasons with the Pirates was the last time they won their division and the last time they were relevant as a franchise. Bobby Bonilla left in free-agency after the 1991 season, yet Bonds still helped the Pirates win 96 games and the division in 1992 -- he won his second MVP award as a result.

As a Pirates fan, you can resent him for leaving in free-agency, but you have to appreciate how impactful he was on the team's performance during that time.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

Schilling might not be hot but there is still demand considering gem Donruss rookies still fetch around $60. Would probably be borderline junk slabs if not for the bloody sock game.

I'm convinced Jack Morris squeezed into the Hall courtesy of his 10 inning Game 7 shutout... and that plaque bumped up his rookie card values.

Jeremy Pena rookies would probably be in the common box if not for his 2022 WS MVP performance.

They are not hot, but have some enhanced value. Same reason a Trent Dilfer NFL rookie is not a common.

Jeremy Pena put up 5.6 WAR this year while only playing in 125 games…

Curt Schilling has a HOF resume even without the bloody sock game and would be in if not for some writers admitting they couldn’t vote for him strictly because of his comments. Off topic but are there still some people out there that claim it was ketchup?

[daveyc1]

while players not having rings do not necessarily hurt their hobby standing, having rings certainly does help. If not rings, at least many playoff appearances to keep the team/players relevant.

Why are New York Yankees players some of the most collected/highly valued players in the hobby? Why not the New York Mets? same city, right?

Brooklyn/LA dodgers, same idea. 9 titles and lots of appearances.

would Reggie Jackson be as popular/famous as he is had he not won 5 WS and had big moments? He would probably be about as famous/collected as Harmon Killebrew is without the rings/moments.

another example is Juan Marichal. his team made one series (which they lost) and he pitched only one world series game. if he would have played on the dodgers or cardinals, would he be collected at a similar level as Koufax or Gibson?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

while players not having rings do not necessarily hurt their hobby standing, having rings certainly does help. If not rings, at least many playoff appearances to keep the team/players relevant.

Why are New York Yankees players some of the most collected/highly valued players in the hobby? Why not the New York Mets? same city, right?

Brooklyn/LA dodgers, same idea. 9 titles and lots of appearances.

would Reggie Jackson be as popular/famous as he is had he not won 5 WS and had big moments? He would probably be about as famous/collected as Harmon Killebrew is without the rings/moments.

another example is Juan Marichal. his team made one series (which they lost) and he pitched only one world series game. if he would have played on the dodgers or cardinals, would he be collected at a similar level as Koufax or Gibson?

Koufax is a good example -- he wouldn't be close to as popular as he is without his postseason dominance and championship wins.

[MoonChala]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Same with Kike rookies...

Hey, cool it with the antisemitism.

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by MoonChala

Hey, cool it with the antisemitism.

Let's see Paul Allen's World Series rings.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Bonds' last three seasons with the Pirates was the last time they won their division and the last time they were relevant as a franchise. Bobby Bonilla left in free-agency after the 1991 season, yet Bonds still helped the Pirates win 96 games and the division in 1992 -- he won his second MVP award as a result.

As a Pirates fan, you can resent him for leaving in free-agency, but you have to appreciate how impactful he was on the team's performance during that time.

This is irrelevant. Bonds is a cheater. I feel the same about him as I do Tom Brady, Lance Armstrong and any other steroid user including David Ortiz. That you cheer for a cheater says a lot about you and the fake lawyer.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rats60

This is irrelevant. Bonds is a cheater. I feel the same about him as I do Tom Brady, Lance Armstrong and any other steroid user including David Ortiz. That you cheer for a cheater says a lot about you and the fake lawyer.

The question is whether or not he "cheated" during his Pirates years. There has never been any public evidence or claims that he did, but for some reason you keep insisting he did, as though it were fact.

Could I look at his 1990 season and say his sudden jump in performance was suspicious? Absolutely. I could also say the same damn thing about Roberto Clemente in 1960!

If you have some evidence to support your claim, present it. Otherwise, give it up.