eBay sellers auctions selling above comps

[Torro]

There are some sellers that somehow manage to sell well above the comps (multiple times in some cases). For example check the sold items of this seller: https://ebay.us/m/aSm6Yz

Is it because of the quality of the images, titles (refractor/SSP/gold holo for everything), the description or you think it’s just shilling? If it’s not shilling, is it that the ultra modern collectors are looking to pick up some older GOAT stuff and have no idea what they are doing?

[3124508 on COMC]

It’s funny that I knew exactly which seller this was before I even clicked the link.

Probably shilling in this case but I’ve never looked into it closely.

[RKH916]

lol, I think we all recognize antwag's store. I've almost pulled the trigger a few times.

He would be selling above comps because his photos and angles give the illusion that people have a chance at turning a raw card into a gem and flipping for big dollars.

I imagine that actually happens for around 1% of his sales, but the allure is real. He knows they're 8's and below but he takes very particular photos that give a very specific impression.


If I sell raw cards with flaws I take the time to note the flaws in the description. I notice that very few people actually do this, and I don't tend to trust the sellers that don't. Generic blanket statements about card condition are no substitute.

EDIT:

Buying PSA 5's, 6's and 7's and cracking to sell raw with premium presentation is probably a very solid (albeit unethical) business model. This might actually be what he's doing, plus the occasional resub.

[Torro]

Originally Posted by RKH916

lol, I think we all recognize antwag's store. I've almost pulled the trigger a few times.

He would be selling above comps because his photos and angles give the illusion that people have a chance at turning a raw card into a gem and flipping for big dollars.

I imagine that actually happens for around 1% of his sales, but the allure is real. He knows they're 8's and below but he takes very particular photos that give a very specific impression.


If I sell raw cards with flaws I take the time to note the flaws in the description. I notice that very few people actually do this, and I don't tend to trust the sellers that don't. Generic blanket statements about card condition are no substitute.

EDIT:

Buying PSA 5's, 6's and 7's and cracking to sell raw with premium presentation is probably a very solid (albeit unethical) business model. This might actually be what he's doing, plus the occasional resub.

So you think the bids are real and main factor is the presentation (quality of photos = lights/angles)? I believe it has something to do with the titles also, and new people who don’t know what “refractor” really are (gold holo/ refractor for base/ inserts with the photos showing the “shine” from different angles). The only people who would fall for that must be new to this type of cards.

[Reignmanprice]

Originally Posted by Torro

There are some sellers that somehow manage to sell well above the comps (multiple times in some cases). For example check the sold items of this seller: https://ebay.us/m/aSm6Yz

Is it because of the quality of the images, titles (refractor/SSP/gold holo for everything), the description or you think it’s just shilling? If it’s not shilling, is it that the ultra modern collectors are looking to pick up some older GOAT stuff and have no idea what they are doing?

Funny. It was just Yestersay we talked about in an whatsapp group in Germany a Iverson Seasons Best Refractor which sold for $51 vs the same Card sold just 1-2 hour earlier for $18 from a other Seller.
i clicked your link and bam it´s that seller

in that special case. the Pic was way better and crispier than the other but the card had a big major green spot.
so better pic, but strongly weaker cardm but sold für 2.5 times more.
crazy.

[Torro]

Originally Posted by Reignmanprice

Funny. It was just Yestersay we talked about in an whatsapp group in Germany a Iverson Seasons Best Refractor which sold for $51 vs the same Card sold just 1-2 hour earlier for $18 from a other Seller.
i clicked your link and bam it´s that seller

in that special case. the Pic was way better and crispier than the other but the card had a big major green spot.
so better pic, but strongly weaker cardm but sold für 2.5 times more.
crazy.

It’s really hard to understand for me how come people are willing to bid that much more just because it looks really shine on the pictures. Even if the pictures look really poor, it’s the same card!

[jcardstore]

It's probably just shilling

[thenightman]

If it's shilling, then that is certainly unethical.

If it's not shilling, I honestly don't think he's doing anything unethical. At least not anything any of the other big sellers aren't doing. He's listing all the cards condition as "Excellent", which is something DC Sports does, and it appears buyers really either don't care about card condition or they don't care enough to look. His pictures are phenomenal. He really makes each card look great.

He also notes in the description that the cards are not in mint condition and that there will probably be minor wear. Also, he says you can reach out if you have questions.

His use of terms in the title are a little suspect, for example, labeling a JJ Redick RC Ref. Auto as a "Rare SSP", isn't accurate, but that's skirting the line, IMO, as that's not an official designation, but compared to a common base card it is a "rare ssp".

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by thenightman

If it's shilling, then that is certainly unethical.

If it's not shilling, I honestly don't think he's doing anything unethical. At least not anything any of the other big sellers aren't doing. He's listing all the cards condition as "Excellent", which is something DC Sports does, and it appears buyers really either don't care about card condition or they don't care enough to look. His pictures are phenomenal. He really makes each card look great.

He also notes in the description that the cards are not in mint condition and that there will probably be minor wear. Also, he says you can reach out if you have questions.

His use of terms in the title are a little suspect, for example, labeling a JJ Redick RC Ref. Auto as a "Rare SSP", isn't accurate, but that's skirting the line, IMO, as that's not an official designation, but compared to a common base card it is a "rare ssp".

This is just keyword stuffing to get more views. It's not unethical unless you are intentionally misrepresenting the card

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

This is just keyword stuffing to get more views. It's not unethical unless you are intentionally misrepresenting the card

That's my point, he's skirting the line there. He's playing with words. "Rare SSP", most expect that to be an official designation, but it's not.

[jova888]

He is a known shiller..

[Cavs16]

Man...the jealousy is real on BO. If you don't like his card don't bid. I enjoy the pictures he posts, they look great, but I don't bid. Simple. Move on

[pokemaniac]

Originally Posted by Cavs16

Man...the jealousy is real on BO. If you don't like his card don't bid. I enjoy the pictures he posts, they look great, but I don't bid. Simple. Move on

Not a single person in this thread is upset except for you. What a weird post.

[Cavs16]

Originally Posted by pokemaniac

Not a single person in this thread is upset except for you. What a weird post.

Pretty weird that you think of people complaining about shill bidding and unethical behaviors as happy people. But hey, you be you sunshine

[daverat]

guess Tis the season to shill starting early

[FT35]

Great photos, but key word spamming for sure. That’s what I don’t like. It’s just an EX base card—not an EX Gold Holo.

I do think that the pictures add value. Many don’t realize how great some of these 90’s cards look from flat scans that don’t pick up much detail.

[MJGOAT23]

Originally Posted by FT35

Great photos, but key word spamming for sure. That’s what I don’t like. It’s just an EX base card—not an EX Gold Holo.

I do think that the pictures add value. Many don’t realize how great some of these 90’s cards look from flat scans that don’t pick up much detail.

The pics are great and do show the flaws but yeah, the key word spamming is out of control. Like this Kobe 2nd year RC!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31751035470...EAAeSwh9RpB4m8

[auburn35]

Also has several fake Kobe autos/cards among the listed and sold items.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by MJGOAT23

The pics are great and do show the flaws but yeah, the key word spamming is out of control. Like this Kobe 2nd year RC!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31751035470...EAAeSwh9RpB4m8

Sorry, I only collect 8th year Kobe rookies.

[Torro]

Everything shine is “refractor”, every base that has gold foil is presented as “gold parallel” etc. for someone like me this grosses the line. But all together the pictures are amazing and really make any card feel like some special parallel. My main question is, are people really not aware of what they bidding on and do it only based on how the card looks on pictures? Literally the same card with “no shine” showing on the listing is “buy it now” way cheaper than people bidding on his cards, did the Trump hand out the $2k free money already and people don’t care?

[jova888]

Known shillers on ebay

quickconsign
dcsports87
mc_sportscards
tull_068
murzound
shootandscore00
psa

most cards go for comp or higher

[majestik101]

Probstein is a big time shiller too

Quite possibly the shill-iest of them all

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by jova888

Known shillers on ebay

quickconsign
dcsports87
mc_sportscards
tull_068
murzound
shootandscore00
psa

most cards go for comp or higher

I see the ninja edit

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Probstein is a big time shiller too

Quite possibly the shill-iest of them all

He's not on eBay anymore

[MavsRChamps]

Originally Posted by jova888

Known shillers on ebay

quickconsign
dcsports87
mc_sportscards
tull_068
murzound
shootandscore00
psa

most cards go for comp or higher

What's the proof for each one you listed? Or are you saying each of those has an example of 2 of a particular buyer shilling?