Better buy right now -- Ohtani or Vladdy Jr?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

Price and entry point are everything.

Vlad was a good buy at the beginning of the season but after the WS you may be too late. You're buying someone else's early investment at the peak.

Yes, very true. But if he ends up winning WS MVP, there will be euphoria and hype for next spring -- could he then compete for an MVP as he possibly enters his prime?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

And if there is a pronounced fat bias in the marketplace, it could offer a good buying opportunity for certain blubbery players -- just some food for thought.

Fatties need love too!

Maybe Kershaw will finally get some hobby attention……that guys belly was THICC.

[Mister2Bits]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Yes, very true. But if he ends up winning WS MVP, there will be euphoria and hype for next spring -- could he then compete for an MVP as he possibly enters his prime?

I love Vlad. I have a nice little PC of his cards.

With that said, if him and Judge have healthy season in 2026, he's going to need to do more to keep up with the big guy.

Anything can happen though.

[JRX]

Vlad needs to win the ws, Ohtani doesn't

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by JRX

Vlad needs to win the ws, Ohtani doesn't

i agree.

that will move him closer to Soto

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i agree.

that will move him closer to Soto

Does this move the needle at all? Soto prices haven't gone up and he is way ahead of Vladdy Jr. in WAR and just about every other offensive stat.

It seems like only Ohtani and Judge move the hobby needle of active players.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Does this move the needle at all? Soto prices haven't gone up and he is way ahead of Vladdy Jr. in WAR and just about every other offensive stat.

It seems like only Ohtani and Judge move the hobby needle of active players.

for Vlad? a short bump for sure, and then back to normal for the masses.

i love Soto but i am convinced he will be this generations Hobby Frank Robinson

[OhioLawyerF5]

Why are people comparing the players? I don't think that was the question. A career utilityman can end up having his cards 10x over night under the right circumstances. I don't look at it from a long term angle, but whose cards have potential to rise in the immediate future. And I think as a percentage of current card value, Vlad's have every bit as much likelihood to increase at a higher percentage in the next week than Ohtani's.

Even long term, Ohtani's cards have best ever baked into them. If for some reason something happens, it's very possible his cards can't sustain the current market. That is far from out of the question. Vlad's cards aren't priced like a HOF right now (at least not before this past week). So it wouldn't take a lot for them to increase.

I know it's hard to differentiate between the player and their hobby greatness, and the question of whether their cards can increase proportionately in value, but that's the question. It's not about whose cards will reach higher peaks. It's about how much can they appreciate relative to where they are now.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Why are people comparing the players? I don't think that was the question. A career utilityman can end up having his cards 10x over night under the right circumstances. I don't look at it from a long term angle, but whose cards have potential to rise in the immediate future. And I think as a percentage of current card value, Vlad's have every bit as much likelihood to increase at a higher percentage in the next week than Ohtani's.

Even long term, Ohtani's cards have best ever baked into them. If for some reason something happens, it's very possible his cards can't sustain the current market. That is far from out of the question. Vlad's cards aren't priced like a HOF right now (at least not before this past week). So it wouldn't take a lot for them to increase.

I know it's hard to differentiate between the player and their hobby greatness, and the question of whether their cards can increase proportionately in value, but that's the question. It's not about whose cards will reach higher peaks. It's about how much can they appreciate relative to where they are now.

You get it!

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Why are people comparing the players? I don't think that was the question. A career utilityman can end up having his cards 10x over night under the right circumstances. I don't look at it from a long term angle, but whose cards have potential to rise in the immediate future. And I think as a percentage of current card value, Vlad's have every bit as much likelihood to increase at a higher percentage in the next week than Ohtani's.

Even long term, Ohtani's cards have best ever baked into them. If for some reason something happens, it's very possible his cards can't sustain the current market. That is far from out of the question. Vlad's cards aren't priced like a HOF right now (at least not before this past week). So it wouldn't take a lot for them to increase.

I know it's hard to differentiate between the player and their hobby greatness, and the question of whether their cards can increase proportionately in value, but that's the question. It's not about whose cards will reach higher peaks. It's about how much can they appreciate relative to where they are now.

Lets say Vladdy Jr. cards double in price if the Jays win the WS. And lets say you have like a two week window to cash in. How would you make this strategy work. If you are really looking at it from a short term point of view thats fine.

But from a practical stand point if you didn't own any cards of Vladdy Jr. or Ohtani which would you rather buy to try to profit on in the future?

If you buy Vladdy now, you would have to hope there is a big spring training bump and then sell. Or you could gamble he will go onto win MVP next year and sell riding high. This is like best case scenerio.

If you buy Ohtani now he could get a bump if the Dodgers win the WS, or when he is awarded the MVP, or during the baseball classic etc. Ohtani demand appears to be increasing every year as he is an international star.

For me I am a long term collector. I like to buy and hold. So for me collecting Ohtani would be the only way to go.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Lets say Vladdy Jr. cards double in price if the Jays win the WS. And lets say you have like a two week window to cash in. How would you make this strategy work. If you are really looking at it from a short term point of view thats fine.

But from a practical stand point if you didn't own any cards of Vladdy Jr. or Ohtani which would you rather buy to try to profit on in the future?

If you buy Vladdy now, you would have to hope there is a big spring training bump and then sell. Or you could gamble he will go onto win MVP next year and sell riding high. This is like best case scenerio.

If you buy Ohtani now he could get a bump if the Dodgers win the WS, or when he is awarded the MVP, or during the baseball classic etc. Ohtani demand appears to be increasing every year as he is an international star.

For me I am a long term collector. I like to buy and hold. So for me collecting Ohtani would be the only way to go.

Vladdy's best cards would require a lower buy-in and offer potentially good upside if the Blue Jays win the series. Ohtani's best cards have recently shot up in price and require a very high buy-in and high short-term risk if the Dodgers lose the series. Long-term, Ohtani will clearly have a much stronger market, but who knows where card prices will be then.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Lets say Vladdy Jr. cards double in price if the Jays win the WS. And lets say you have like a two week window to cash in. How would you make this strategy work. If you are really looking at it from a short term point of view thats fine.



But from a practical stand point if you didn't own any cards of Vladdy Jr. or Ohtani which would you rather buy to try to profit on in the future?



If you buy Vladdy now, you would have to hope there is a big spring training bump and then sell. Or you could gamble he will go onto win MVP next year and sell riding high. This is like best case scenerio.



If you buy Ohtani now he could get a bump if the Dodgers win the WS, or when he is awarded the MVP, or during the baseball classic etc. Ohtani demand appears to be increasing every year as he is an international star.



For me I am a long term collector. I like to buy and hold. So for me collecting Ohtani would be the only way to go.

My point was that everyone seemed to be arguing over the players and their accomplishments, when that is secondary to the question at hand.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Lets say Vladdy Jr. cards double in price if the Jays win the WS. And lets say you have like a two week window to cash in. How would you make this strategy work. If you are really looking at it from a short term point of view thats fine.

But from a practical stand point if you didn't own any cards of Vladdy Jr. or Ohtani which would you rather buy to try to profit on in the future?

If you buy Vladdy now, you would have to hope there is a big spring training bump and then sell. Or you could gamble he will go onto win MVP next year and sell riding high. This is like best case scenerio.

If you buy Ohtani now he could get a bump if the Dodgers win the WS, or when he is awarded the MVP, or during the baseball classic etc. Ohtani demand appears to be increasing every year as he is an international star.

For me I am a long term collector. I like to buy and hold. So for me collecting Ohtani would be the only way to go.

A more fitting term for you would be a long-term investor (or collector/investor hybrid) because you're constantly worried about card values. And it's completely fine to be that too, many BO members (including those with large Ohtani collections) fall under such a category.

Examples of long-term collectors would be people like corockies or TBP. They just add what they like/want irrespective of potential appreciation/loss.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

A more fitting term for you would be a long-term investor (or collector/investor hybrid) because you're constantly worried about card values. And it's completely fine to be that too, many BO members (including those with large Ohtani collections) fall under such a category.

Examples of long-term collectors would be people like corockies or TBP. They just add what they like/want irrespective of potential appreciation/loss.

You can label me whatever you want! Yes, I worry about the value of my cards. This hobby can be expensive! Why would I want to buy cards of players that will have no long term value? I grew up during the junk wax era...so all of the cards I collected as a kid have virtually no value, but it was fun collecting as a kid. As an adult, I want to make sure I get something of value for my money.

So are you buying Vladdy Jr. or Ohtani? Which is the better value for your hard earned hobby money?

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

You can label me whatever you want! Yes, I worry about the value of my cards. This hobby can be expensive! Why would I want to buy cards of players that will have no long term value? I grew up during the junk wax era...so all of the cards I collected as a kid have virtually no value, but it was fun collecting as a kid. As an adult, I want to make sure I get something of value for my money.

So are you buying Vladdy Jr. or Ohtani? Which is the better value for your hard earned hobby money?

Read up and you'll see that I've already addressed your question

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

So are you buying Vladdy Jr. or Ohtani? Which is the better value for your hard earned hobby money?

I'm buying Jonathan India. I guess I must not be working hard enough for my money.

[redlegs]

Does Vlad like to gamble?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by redlegs

Does Vlad like to gamble?

he loves to eat!

[eastbayak]

Ya'll should've invested in Yesavage, could've 3-5x'ed in 1-2 days.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Ya'll should've invested in Yesavage, could've 3-5x'ed in 1-2 days.

facts!

[JWBlue]

I need a Vlad card now.

Bad timing.

[fabiani12333]

The poll is getting very close to 50-50.

Another homer for big bad Vlad. Another o-fer for Ohtani-san.The Jays could finish off the Doyers with one more win.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Ya'll should've invested in Yesavage, could've 3-5x'ed in 1-2 days.

Didn't Schlittler's cards have an insane spike after his gem against the Red Sox? Then after the yankees were bounced like chumps his cards pretty much settled back to barely above where they were before the BoSox game. Lol

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

The best time to buy Ohtani is today. The next best time? Tomorrow.


…that being said, I barely own any Ohtani cards.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

The best time to buy Ohtani is today. The next best time? Tomorrow.


…that being said, I barely own any Ohtani cards.

No matter what happens the rest of the WS, I think his lower end cards (especially base '18 Topps/Topps Update/TC/TCU, etc) will drop some as Ohtani-mania cools off a little, but the high-end stuff (talking $10k+) won't miss a beat, especially his rookie year/1st Dodger year high end cards. I would definitely be selling the base stuff right now if I was sitting on a lot of them to then go after bigger targets, be it Ohtani or someone else.