Better buy right now -- Ohtani or Vladdy Jr?

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Yes -- see? Hermano gets the poll question -- it's about value going forward. No need to get offended, Ohtani bois.

Happy to sell you as much of my Vladdy Jr. RC that you want. Let me know if you make any money flipping them in the short term.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Happy to sell you as much of my Vladdy Jr. RC that you want. Let me know if you make any money flipping them in the short term.

I was looking over his rookie card sale prices on eBay last night -- they've been shooting up lately. Would a title and WS MVP take them even higher?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

I’m just glad I’ve been collecting both of these guys, I think eventually they’re both in the HOF

Good way to look at it.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I was looking over his rookie card sale prices on eBay last night -- they've been shooting up lately. Would a title and WS MVP take them even higher?

They would in the short term. Send me a message if you are interested in buying from me!

[SaveMeTheGum]

1993 version of this question:

Better buy right now? Michael Jordan or David Robinson


2007 version of this question:

Better buy right now? Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger


Ohtani is in the no-brainer category. Sure, there will be guys that have more price upside in the short term, and have fun chasing those. But longterm, there's no question.

[ThoseBackPages]

i like FatBoy and own a lot of his cards because collecting is amazing.

Heres the thing though..... the hobby doesnt care about his father so im
not sure what would change to make the hobby care about his son.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i like FatBoy and own a lot of his cards because collecting is amazing.

Heres the thing though..... the hobby doesnt care about his father so im
n0t sure what would change to make the hobby care about his son.

Man, imagine if Ohtani has a boy and he ends up playing baseball too...
LFG Ohtani Jr!

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

You are comparing a soon to be 4x MVP unicorn to an all star first baseman with no MVP who has continually disappointed collectors since his breakout 2021 season.

In the short term Vladdy jr. should see a bump. But 10 years from now nobody is going to really care and his base card RC will be in dollar bins.

Ohtani's cards are at all time highs...and should continue to rise in price due to his insane demand.

Ohtani cards long term are a way better buy.

Now, look at it this way: Ohtani might not win another title or MVP award after this season. He might not even reach 500 home runs. In the event that all happens, do his prices continue to rise? Would he still be on track to be the GOAT?

And on the flip side, Vladdy Jr might be entering his prime and could win his first title and MVP award. If that were to happen, would his most valuable cards end up being a good long-term hold?

[Melagoo]

For me I voted for Vladdy (Just because he's a Jay) ... but in reality if Ohtani stays healthy (probably) for 5-7 more years he'll take at least 4 more MVPs ... perenial homer leader ... maybe even a 60-60 homer/SB in the future ... Plus his pitching stats ... on the flip side Vladdy could be a consistant 40 homer 100 RBI producer for up to 8-10 years ... Both are extremely likable and awesome team orientated players ... they could face each other in the World Series a few times in the future which would be amazing ... Vlad is 26 and Shohei is 31 ...

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

I thought the same thing. It's like saying is Geno Smith a better buy than Tom Brady. Some have a lot of wheels turning in opposite directions up stairs.

Ahh -- but the better question would be, was Jalen Hurts a better buy than Patrick Mahomes before last year's Super Bowl?

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

Crime Dog + 7 HRs changes the equation a bit. Possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. He'd need to average 32 HRs over the next decade to pull that off, something he's matched or exceeded in only two seasons. I'll happily pick up gem looking VGJ rookies in the dollar boxes but would much rather find second and third year Ohtani in them.

Plus the 1 season he hit 48 HRs he was playing 1/2 his games in a AAA park.
Remove that season, his single season high mark is 32.

Vlad Jr is on track for a "Hall of Very Good" career unless he steps it up to the next level the next 5 years of his prime.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

People saying Vlad Jr is “great”… there have always been guys who scorch the postseason.
Arozarena is one. Vlad hit .292 with 23 HR, 84 RBI and 4.5 WAR this year. Since 2018 he has produced 2 100+ RBI seasons and only 2 .900+ OPS.
If ya’ll want to buy into postseason hype as a reason to buy that’s understandable, but just remember why his prices fell in the first place. Look where his prices were in 2020, vs now.
Ohtani is (like another said) like Jordan hype was.
Period.


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But Arozarena never showed the regular season upside that Vladdy has shown -- Vladdy led the league in home runs and OPS in 2021. He's now showing that upside during a deep postseason run and is still only 26-years-old.

[msink28]

harsh but fair.

my very first eBay purchase was a 1998 Vladimir Guerrero SP Authentic Chirography. sent a check! those were the days

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i like FatBoy and own a lot of his cards because collecting is amazing.

Heres the thing though..... the hobby doesnt care about his father so im
not sure what would change to make the hobby care about his son.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

Crime Dog + 7 HRs changes the equation a bit. Possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. He'd need to average 32 HRs over the next decade to pull that off, something he's matched or exceeded in only two seasons. I'll happily pick up gem looking VGJ rookies in the dollar boxes but would much rather find second and third year Ohtani in them.

Through age-26 season:

Fred McGriff: 125 home runs -- 162-game average of 35 home runs

Vladimir Guerrero Jr: 183 home runs -- 162-game average of 30 home runs

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Through age-26 season:

Fred McGriff: 125 home runs -- 162-game average of 35 home runs

Vladimir Guerrero Jr: 183 home runs -- 162-game average of 30 home runs

You should probably be buying both McGriff and Vladdy Jr....they both seem like great investments.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

You should probably be buying both McGriff and Vladdy Jr....they both seem like great investments.

One time I got an A+G jumbo triple rip card of McGriff. I course I ripped it. Ended up with a stained glass Miggy and 2 other nothing mini cards. Took an L on that one.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Yes -- see? Hermano gets the poll question -- it's about value going forward. No need to get offended, Ohtani bois.

Sure, if VGJ gets the Game 7 walk off, then it will be nuts for a few days. If that doesn't happen, then the rookie cards stay in the card show dollar box while Ohtani cards at all price points continue to dry up.

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Interesting -- a third option. If Judge can finally win a title next year, he may indeed be the better play at this moment.

Judge is 32 HRs away from 400 and status quo will get him there next summer. That will start the Road to 500 countdown and I would anticipate a gradual price build up. Faster if the Yankees do win a title.

Originally Posted by seanrs1

You should probably be buying both McGriff and Vladdy Jr....they both seem like great investments.

McGriff would have been a good Vets Committee play before he was selected. Too late now. VGJ could boringly get to 500 HRs for those wanting to play a very long game but I'm guessing you'll get more bang for the buck with Ohtani and Judge.

[Skipscards]

There is no wrong answer. Both are generational, future Hall of Famers. In terms of value, both of them will see their cards increase in value over time.

There are a ton of better buys in the game because somewhere there is a 50 cent guy we've never heard of who will break out like always and become a $10 guy.

[WattsBarBro]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I was looking over his rookie card sale prices on eBay last night -- they've been shooting up lately. Would a title and WS MVP take them even higher?

i sold probably one of the more recent SSP paper updates on there. the hype is there for him and the jays right now, which is why i unloaded it. they aren't my team and i just personally can't see it going much higher than it is right now

[Nester99]

As a Vlad super collector

I wish I had more Ohtani, and I have a lot of him.

[hermanotarjeta]

It’s better to buy a $1 card you can sell for $2 than buying a $100,000 card and waiting for it to go to $200,000.

[Mister2Bits]

Price and entry point are everything.

Vlad was a good buy at the beginning of the season but after the WS you may be too late. You're buying someone else's early investment at the peak.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Interesting -- a third option. If Judge can finally win a title next year, he may indeed be the better play at this moment.

In many categories Judge is ahead of Shohei offensively, not to say that he's a better overall player because obviously I wouldn't say that, but I think Judge's cards definitely have room to grow in regards to closing the gap between his prices and Ohtani's

Basically the ratio of ohtani prices to judge prices is too high given how similar (and in judge's case superior) they are offensively

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Plus the 1 season he hit 48 HRs he was playing 1/2 his games in a AAA park.
Remove that season, his single season high mark is 32.

Vlad Jr is on track for a "Hall of Very Good" career unless he steps it up to the next level the next 5 years of his prime.

Wrong. 21 games were played there. Lmao at playing half his games there, 21/161 is not “half”. Even then it’s not like the park was tiny or anything; 400 to center, 333 to left, 336 to right.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s better to buy a $1 card you can sell for $2 than buying a $100,000 card and waiting for it to go to $200,000.

And if there is a pronounced fat bias in the marketplace, it could offer a good buying opportunity for certain blubbery players -- just some food for thought.