The Never Too Early 2025 NFL MVP Thread

[ninjacookies]

For as inspirational as Danny's story is, he has zero shot...and is ranked accordingly.

Wins over a Kyler-less Cards, Raiders, Titans, and Dolphins doesn't jump off the page. Biggest sole win would definitely be the Broncos.

Through 6 games, he has 8 td's and 3 ints. Mid as defined by Merrian-Webster's latest update.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

For as inspirational as Danny's story is, he has zero shot...and is ranked accordingly.

Wins over a Kyler-less Cards, Raiders, Titans, and Dolphins doesn't jump off the page. Biggest sole win would definitely be the Broncos.

Through 6 games, he has 8 td's and 3 ints. Mid as defined by Merrian-Webster's latest update.

12 if you count running, which we can't ignore in this age.


But people need to remember: betting odds aren't a straw poll of who's winning at the moment. They're a prediction of who will win at the end of the year.

So when Mahomes is leading the NFL in both Total Yardage and Total Touchdowns, and he's about to get his best receiver back, he's going to be odds on favorite, even if Baker's record puts him over the top right now.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

12 if you count running, which we can't ignore in this age.


But people need to remember: betting odds aren't a straw poll of who's winning at the moment. They're a prediction of who will win at the end of the year.

So when Mahomes is leading the NFL in both Total Yardage and Total Touchdowns, and he's about to get his best receiver back, he's going to be odds on favorite, even if Baker's record puts him over the top right now.

I'll be fair and give him those 4. But I don't think it moves the needle as much considering it's not accompanied by legit dual-threat rushing totals which guys like JA and Lamar typically add to the equation. In fact, Danny's only averaging a little over 13 yards rushing per game. Which is odd because he's usually known as a guy that's respected for his sneaky wheels.



I was calling for Mahomes 2 weeks ago in this thread when everyone was seemingly calling for their early burial.

Still far too early, but a h2h win against the Bills should see his lead bolster 2-3 fold.


Baker's really the real question in this race currently. I can't go out on a limb on him, but he's playing out of his mind. Perhaps the best up til this point. Without his top receiver, no less.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'll be fair and give him those 4. But I don't think it moves the needle as much considering it's not accompanied by legit dual-threat rushing totals which guys like JA and Lamar typically add to the equation. In fact, Danny's only averaging a little over 13 yards rushing per game. Which is odd because he's usually known as a guy that's respected for his sneaky wheels.



I was calling for Mahomes 2 weeks ago in this thread when everyone was seemingly calling for their early burial.

Still far too early, but a h2h win against the Bills should see his lead bolster 2-3 fold.


Baker's really the real question in this race currently. I can't go out on a limb on him, but he's playing out of his mind. Perhaps the best up til this point. Without his top receiver, no less.

Baker doing what he is doing without his top 3 receivers after Ebuka went down.

This is where to me MVP awards get murky at least IMO. I don't think Mahomes racking up numbers should suddenly mean he is the MVP. What Baker has done without his best guys so far should be above numbers if this keeps going. And yes I know it's early. Also I'm not saying Mahomes is not an MVP type player.

[BostonNut]

Drake Maye

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'll be fair and give him those 4. But I don't think it moves the needle as much considering it's not accompanied by legit dual-threat rushing totals which guys like JA and Lamar typically add to the equation. In fact, Danny's only averaging a little over 13 yards rushing per game. Which is odd because he's usually known as a guy that's respected for his sneaky wheels.



I was calling for Mahomes 2 weeks ago in this thread when everyone was seemingly calling for their early burial.

Still far too early, but a h2h win against the Bills should see his lead bolster 2-3 fold.


Baker's really the real question in this race currently. I can't go out on a limb on him, but he's playing out of his mind. Perhaps the best up til this point. Without his top receiver, no less.

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Baker doing what he is doing without his top 3 receivers after Ebuka went down.

This is where to me MVP awards get murky at least IMO. I don't think Mahomes racking up numbers should suddenly mean he is the MVP. What Baker has done without his best guys so far should be above numbers if this keeps going. And yes I know it's early. Also I'm not saying Mahomes is not an MVP type player.

Right now I even have Baker as #1 as of today. Anyone who says that winning is just a team stat and not a QB stat should disagree with me, but I think it's important.

Right now Baker is:
2nd in Total Yards
t-6th in Total TDs,
8th in QBR

Those are very good, but not runaway MVP numbers on stats alone. But what sets his apart is how he's been playing winning football, and the team is 5-1, and he has 4 game winning drives.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Drake Maye

Agreed.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Baker dragging his teams to wins. Have you watched the games? Evans and Godwin hurt. All he had was Egbuka who also got hurt. He’s currently what a mvp should be. Without weapons and getting it done. Also missing olineman which is even more important.

Exactly. This ^^^! Baker is the frontrunner, at least today.

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[starfox]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

This season has been so chaotic. True parity in the nfl right now and I’m here for it


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I love it!

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[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by starfox

I love it!

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Me too! Haha


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[starfox]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Right now I even have Baker as #1 as of today. Anyone who says that winning is just a team stat and not a QB stat should disagree with me, but I think it's important.



Right now Baker is:

2nd in Total Yards

t-6th in Total TDs,

8th in QBR



Those are very good, but not runaway MVP numbers on stats alone. But what sets his apart is how he's been playing winning football, and the team is 5-1, and he has 4 game winning drives.

Yes. That 4 game winning drives part. Baker was left for dead. Look at him now. He's the frontrunner, but it's early.

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[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Right now I even have Baker as #1 as of today. Anyone who says that winning is just a team stat and not a QB stat should disagree with me, but I think it's important.

Right now Baker is:
2nd in Total Yards
t-6th in Total TDs,
8th in QBR

Those are very good, but not runaway MVP numbers on stats alone. But what sets his apart is how he's been playing winning football, and the team is 5-1, and he has 4 game winning drives.

I agree he has set himself apart


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[weeds73]

No doubt that Baker is playing great and willing his team to victory. Egbuka has been a rockstar this season. They have had a great one two punch with Bucky Irving and Rashad White for most of the season. Evans played the first three games and appears on track to be back this week. Unclear whether Godwin will ever be able to regain his prior form. I just don’t know that I see him putting up the stats to win him MVP. But, If they keep winning, he will stay in the conversation. Helps that their division is very mediocre…. he is also a feel good story that people can get behind. Guy is kicked to the curb by multiple teams and resurrect his career. People love the underdog.

But, All these quarterbacks are dealing with depleted offensive production Hell, the Chiefs number one receiver (Rashee rice ) has been gone the first six weeks of the year and doesn’t come back until this week. Our number two receiver (Xavier worthy) missed the first three games with a separated shoulder. Kelce has clearly lost a step, but needed to step up and fill the void of talent during this time. For the first time in about two years, Mahomes will have all of the offensive weapons at his disposal. I am expecting some even better production for the balance of year assuming everybody stays healthy. I just wish we had a running game…

Josh Allen is not throwing to any all pro receivers And his defense is struggling this year. He does have the benefit of James Cook, but doesn’t seem that they use him correctly. I expect that he will remain in the conversation for MVP for most of the season unless their team falls off a cliff record wise

Dak Prescott is having a great season and he has been without Ceedee lamb and other players at various points of the season as well. He is just suffering from having a truly terrible defense.

Daniel Jones has the benefit of Jonathan Taylor and some pretty solid and healthy wide receivers. They have the benefit of also playing in a very mediocre division, which should allow him to maintain good production with a solid record.

Drake Maye is a dark horse candidate. If they can keep stringing together victories and are able to win the AFC East, he will stay in the conversation. Defense should keep them in most games. I just don’t see him putting up the stats to win MVP. Impressive start to the season though.

Will be interesting to see how the season unfolds. Feels like it’s setting up for Mahomes and Allen to win the stats conversation by the end of the season. Question is whether their teams have strong enough records to give them the crown. I think the media will help Keep Baker in the conversation if he can keep stringing together victories. Voter fatigue is a real thing. They always want the next shiny object.


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[tjforce]

Originally Posted by starfox

Yes. That 4 game winning drives part. Baker was left for dead. Look at him now. He's the frontrunner, but it's early.

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I think that's the thing to understand: It's still so early.

2 weeks ago Josh Allen seemingly had a huge lead. Someone in here said "It was his to lose". Now after an underperformance Week 5 and a straight up terrible performance Week 6, you'd have to work to make a case for him in the top 3. And I doubt he'll make up much ground in the bye week.

But if you go ahead and look at Weeks 9, 10, and 11, he has the Chiefs, Dolphins, and Bucs lines up. Bills win out there and it's hard to imagine that he's not right back on top

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I think that's the thing to understand: It's still so early.

2 weeks ago Josh Allen seemingly had a huge lead. Someone in here said "It was his to lose". Now after an underperformance Week 5 and a straight up terrible performance Week 6, you'd have to work to make a case for him in the top 3. And I doubt he'll make up much ground in the bye week.

But if you go ahead and look at Weeks 9, 10, and 11, he has the Chiefs, Dolphins, and Bucs lines up. Bills win out there and it's hard to imagine that he's not right back on top

lol, of course it's his to lose, just look at Bills schedule. They fumbled it and possibly fumbling their best shot at 1 seed that seemingly in the bag by losing to Pats at home and to falcons

[sheetskout]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Drake Maye is a dark horse candidate. If they can keep stringing together victories and are able to win the AFC East, he will stay in the conversation. Defense should keep them in most games. I just don’t see him putting up the stats to win MVP. Impressive start to the season though.

This.

[green4407]

Nik Bonitto

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Baker doing what he is doing without his top 3 receivers after Ebuka went down.

This is where to me MVP awards get murky at least IMO. I don't think Mahomes racking up numbers should suddenly mean he is the MVP. What Baker has done without his best guys so far should be above numbers if this keeps going. And yes I know it's early. Also I'm not saying Mahomes is not an MVP type player.

Originally Posted by tjforce

Right now I even have Baker as #1 as of today. Anyone who says that winning is just a team stat and not a QB stat should disagree with me, but I think it's important.

Right now Baker is:
2nd in Total Yards
t-6th in Total TDs,
8th in QBR

Those are very good, but not runaway MVP numbers on stats alone. But what sets his apart is how he's been playing winning football, and the team is 5-1, and he has 4 game winning drives.

Yeah, Baker's #1 currently if we're going by straight up 'who's played the best thus far with no qualifiers.'

But we all know bookies are heavily weighted towards historical performance so they're showing they have much lower faith in his continued season dominance vs. a guy that's already done it twice.

Their upcoming game vs. Detroit (who themselves will be looking to avenge last week's ass whooping) will be interesting.

[CardsByTheBeach]

My vote would be for Baker Mayfield, I know the guy rubs some people the wrong way but he is piling up the wins this year with half his team hurt.

[Grid]

The Browns should have grabbed him when he was a free agent. Instead of wasting all their money on these scrubs.

Imagine someone like Baker on that team, with the D that the Browns have. They would win the Super Bowl every year! But the Browns are never lucky enough to get a QB as talented as Mayfield!

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Drake Maye is a dark horse candidate.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Maye's not winning it.

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Yeah, Baker's #1 currently if we're going by straight up 'who's played the best thus far with no qualifiers.'

Their upcoming game vs. Detroit (who themselves will be looking to avenge last week's ass whooping) will be interesting.

Well, the Lions defense is diminished somewhat because Brian Branch ain't playing. NFL said nuh-uh, you go stand in the corner and think about what you done.

So, the Bucs now have a puncher's chance because Brian Branch threw a punch

Oh, the irony.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's a snowball's chance Drake Maye is winning MVP as a rook.

Only one rookie has ever won the NFL MVP award: running back Jim Brown in 1957



Well, the Lions defense is diminished somewhat because Brian Branch ain't playing. NFL said nuh-uh, you go stand in the corner and think about what you done.

So, the Bucs now have a puncher's chance because Brian Branch threw a punch

Oh, the irony.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Delta5

lol, of course it's his to lose, just look at Bills schedule. They fumbled it and possibly fumbling their best shot at 1 seed that seemingly in the bag by losing to Pats at home and to falcons

Like this?

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's a snowball's chance Drake Maye is winning MVP as a rook.

Only one rookie has ever won the NFL MVP award: running back Jim Brown in 1957



Well, the Lions defense is diminished somewhat because Brian Branch ain't playing. NFL said nuh-uh, you go stand in the corner and think about what you done.

So, the Bucs now have a puncher's chance because Brian Branch threw a punch

Oh, the irony.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Drake Maye isn’t a rook, doofus.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Boo

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Sorry to burst your bubble but Drake Maye isn’t a rook, doofus.

GD it. I am a doofus. That's the 2nd time I've whoopsied this week.

Bubble bursted.