Be aware of CA shipping through eBay

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Watchmee

"Cherry-on-top" of this story:

• not a single UPS tracking update since Sep 9 when I asked item to be returned to sender;
• called UPS and after 2 transfers and keeping me on hold for 1h 46m UPS said that the package was lost on the way back to the seller...

Absolute mess out there right now

[Grid]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Thank you for this. The more I research into this, the more I think the duty was charged incorrectly- and I disagree with Grid’s statements that it doesn’t matter where the item was manufactured. All signs are pointing to it does, based on a lot of forum research I’m doing, and a card manufacturered entirely within the US shouldn’t see tariffs on re-entry- the seller isn’t “improving” the card for example.

The problem is eBay AG must have filled out manufactured in: Canada by mistake, and that is costing me $264. I have been calling them several times and they are taking no responsibility and not budging.

Also in terms of my experience lately, FedEx, UPS, and DHL do seem to be the ones you get the hardest with customs duties, for whatever reason. Cards going SpeedPak from China don’t seem to, for example.

It’s a mess…but I think there are going to be a lot of customs billed incorrectly on cards. Also a problem is I messaged the duty dispute email FedEx for this particular issue…and predictably no response.

Like I said, its all a mess right now. And the reason why things such as tariffs typically flow trough the house t become law. And not just on a whim by a seated president. Is so issues like this can be discussed prior. We did not have that.

Its easy for you to just say I was wrong. But then have no means to prove it. Thats not on either of us. Like i said, its a mess. There is no standard reply. As nothing about any of this is standard.

Yes, subheading 9801.00.10 is a thing. But if your shipper didnt fill out a declaration form. Stating your card was not advanced in value or improved in condition while outside the United States. It doesn't matter.

Did THEY slab the card over there? Did PSA encapsulate in Halifax, Nova Scotia? If so, the value of the card was "advanced or improved" while in Canada. And 9801.00.10 goes out the door.

If that did happen, you can argue you are only due payment on the increased value. But that is hard to prove. As you would need a certified expert to claim as much, and prove the difference in value.

Now someone importing thousands of originally US made cards later slabbed in Canada may want to dump their resources into that. But not one guy who bought one card.

I am on your side! This is all stupid! And for sure, whoever sent you that card should have at least filled out a proper declaration form, and didn't. But now your only recourse is to sue them across boarders, and prove they did so. And even then, you will only get back damages. But getting a case won in a different country will not be worth your time. I assure you of that.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I just ordered some comics from overseas, about $100 worth. UPS stopped by while I wasn't home and left a note. I'm not sure if the business wanted me to simply sign for it or the order is being held hostage for this tariff thing. We shall see.

I was able to receive the box at the UPS store with no fees BUT I did receive a bill from UPS in the mail for $12.

[Zeldafanatic15]

So I had a Kickstarter I had to pay fees on about a week or so ago. I got a bill yesterday that I still owe $2.86. Everything is a mess.

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[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Grid

Like I said, its all a mess right now. And the reason why things such as tariffs typically flow trough the house t become law. And not just on a whim by a seated president. Is so issues like this can be discussed prior. We did not have that.

Its easy for you to just say I was wrong. But then have no means to prove it. Thats not on either of us. Like i said, its a mess. There is no standard reply. As nothing about any of this is standard.

Yes, subheading 9801.00.10 is a thing. But if your shipper didnt fill out a declaration form. Stating your card was not advanced in value or improved in condition while outside the United States. It doesn't matter.

Did THEY slab the card over there? Did PSA encapsulate in Halifax, Nova Scotia? If so, the value of the card was "advanced or improved" while in Canada. And 9801.00.10 goes out the door.

If that did happen, you can argue you are only due payment on the increased value. But that is hard to prove. As you would need a certified expert to claim as much, and prove the difference in value.

Now someone importing thousands of originally US made cards later slabbed in Canada may want to dump their resources into that. But not one guy who bought one card.

I am on your side! This is all stupid! And for sure, whoever sent you that card should have at least filled out a proper declaration form, and didn't. But now your only recourse is to sue them across boarders, and prove they did so. And even then, you will only get back damages. But getting a case won in a different country will not be worth your time. I assure you of that.

This is not a graded card where value was added, it is a raw trading card.

I agree it’s a mess overall, and can’t imagine what FedEx and other carriers are dealing with right now. There are reports of UPS destroying incoming packages etc.

Even though it’s a mess, a trading card is almost as clear cut as it gets. It’s not a complicated automobile or electronics etc with components sourced from all kinds of countries, or some item where people are modifying overseas to add value. It’s a trading card that says Printed in the USA on the back. If there’s a straightforward instance of manufactured-in-US bought from overseas..it would be this. It’s simply a single US made card bought from Canada.

The point I was referring to was your initial response that country of manufacture doesn’t matter, hard stop, and thats that, while some other posters were saying pursue it with FedEx etc. I do see a lot of info online that the country of manufacture can matter, including promoking’s info on that other forum. So I’m not quick to dismiss the country of manufacture means nothing, and we can disagree, it’s fine. Maybe it can go either way, but I’m not going to just dismiss the manufacturing aspect immediately based on info out there.

[DynaEtch]

I do have an update for the thread: FedEx finally responded to my duty tax dispute return email where I sent them a pic of the card and “Printed in the USA” on it etc. They are opening a dispute, will have to go over it with US customs, and could take 90-180 days (yikes) for them to respond on the outcome. But importantly, they are putting all collections activity on my bill on hold until it resolves. So we will see what they say. If they say I have to pay it after all this…so be it. And if not, well then I saved $264 for an unjustly charged tariff, and I’m glad I didn’t just give up and pay it early on. It could be up to half a year out, but we will have to see.

It is definitely a mess right now. I do blame eBay AG also here because they probably filled out customs info wrong, but that’s a dead end pursuing that, they claim no responsibility. Meanwhile I’m just gonna hold off buying from Canada right now- too much confusion regarding it- especially if they use a private carrier like FedEx and UPS, it’s gonna be an added bill. SpeedPak shipments from China don’t seem to have the same problem, for whatever reason.

[oldgoldy97]

Customs rules are a hot mess without tariffs on top of them.