The Case Against Russell Wilson’s HOF Candidacy: A Forensic Analysis - Page 2

the mesiah · 10-05-2025, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabs

All Pros matter a heck of a lot more than Pro Bowls. As they should.

That’s what I don’t get from the these types of threads .. pro bowl selections in these types of discussions are asanine..drake maye was a pro bowler last year so is he now getting fitted for a gold jacket in year 2035..

88horsepower · 10-05-2025, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Case closed:

https://www.facebook.com/speakeasy/v...id=wwXIfr&fs=e

Makes a pretty compelling case. I'm rather curious to hear what his teammates said about him. I knew he wasn't the most likeable person out there, but when key players from your own team are speaking poorly of you, yikes.

Rabs · 10-05-2025, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Case closed:

https://www.facebook.com/speakeasy/v...id=wwXIfr&fs=e

He gives off Terry Crew vibes.

Seahawks fan · 10-08-2025, 05:15 PM

I will give another potential case against.

When people look up statistics for QBs to see where the all time greats rank. Passing Yards is one of the 1st things people look up. Wilson ranks amongst the best with all of the outliers behind him (the Palmer/Testaverde/Bledsoe/Collins of the league) and all the people above him either being HOFers or strongly considered. ... that being said.

If Wilson is officially done and he doesn't pass Tarkenton's yards...there is a scrub QB that hasn't had a decent season since 2016, that has started 7 less games than Wilson, That hasn't had a 3k yard passing season in 9 fricken years, that is still starting, that only needs 400 yards to pass Wilson. If that player passes Wilson and stays ahead of Wilson after all is said and done...Then Wilson looks like the outlier with those other players mentioned above.

hche · 10-08-2025, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

I will give another potential case against.

When people look up statistics for QBs to see where the all time greats rank. Passing Yards is one of the 1st things people look up. Wilson ranks amongst the best with all of the outliers behind him (the Palmer/Testaverde/Bledsoe/Collins of the league) and all the people above him either being HOFers or strongly considered. ... that being said.

If Wilson is officially done and he doesn't pass Tarkenton's yards...there is a scrub QB that hasn't had a decent season since 2016, that has started 7 less games than Wilson, That hasn't had a 3k yard passing season in 9 fricken years, that is still starting, that only needs 400 yards to pass Wilson. If that player passes Wilson and stays ahead of Wilson after all is said and done...Then Wilson looks like the outlier with those other players mentioned above.

Wilson is actually in the top 20 in Y/A. So it just tells you he doesnt get enough attempts to build his total yardage.

49erRCCollector · 10-08-2025, 07:01 PM

I'll also add: If he had stayed in Seattle, and finished his career there, it would probably/possibly make up for the rough years he's had since he left.

Part of the HOF is stats, awards... part is the narrative you build around your career. Being the best QB by a mile that Seattle ever had is not nothing. Shame it had to sour the way it did.

PuddleMonkey · 10-08-2025, 08:04 PM

Is Dave Krieg nothing to you?

PuddleMonkey · 10-08-2025, 08:06 PM

He's like a better Steve Young minus all the talent around him.

49erRCCollector · 10-08-2025, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

He's like a better Steve Young minus all the talent around him.

I’m going to give you 24 hours to withdraw this statement before I post a career side by side comparison.

PuddleMonkey · 10-08-2025, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I’m going to give you 24 hours to withdraw this statement before I post a career side by side comparison.

But he played in the NFL longer than Young did.

PuddleMonkey · 10-08-2025, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I’m going to give you 24 hours to withdraw this statement before I post a career side by side comparison.

Holy crap I just looked it up and Dave Krieg has more passing yards and passing touchdowns than Steve Young!

I had no idea Dave Krieg was the Frank Gore of quarterbacks.

49erRCCollector · 10-08-2025, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

Holy crap I just looked it up and Dave Krieg has more passing yards and passing touchdowns than Steve Young!

I had no idea Dave Krieg was the Frank Gore of quarterbacks.

Dave Krieg is #3 all time in yards like Frank?

Oh wait. He’s #27.

You now have 22 hours to retract your slander.

49erRCCollector · 10-08-2025, 10:38 PM

(I hope you know this is all in good fun.)

88horsepower · 10-08-2025, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

Is Dave Krieg nothing to you?

Dave Krieg, like Neil Lomax, is so underappreciated.

PuddleMonkey · 10-09-2025, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Dave Krieg is #3 all time in yards like Frank?

Oh wait. He’s #27.

You now have 22 hours to retract your slander.

Nothing to retract. Let us rundown that list off all time rushing leaders and see if anything stands out.

1. Emmitt Smith
Played 15 Seasons - 4x First Team All-Pro

2. Walter Payton
Played 13 Seasons - 5x First Team All-Pro

3. Frank Gore
Played 16 Seasons - 0x First Team All-Pro

4. Barry Sanders
Played 10 Seasons - 6x First Team All-Pro

5. Adrian Peterson
Played 15 Seasons - 4x First Team All-Pro

6. Curtis Martin
Played 11 Seasons - 1x First Team All-Pro

7. Ladainian Tomlinson
Played 11 Seasons - 3x First Team All-Pro

8. Jerome Bettis
Played 13 Seasons - 2x First Team All-Pro

9. Eric Dickerson
Played 11 Seasons - 5x First Team All-Pro

10. Tony Dorsett
Played 12 Seasons - 1x First Team All-Pro

So not only did your boy play longer than anyone else on that list but he couldn't even muster up one First Team AP.

Also, every player on that list lead the league in some seasonal statistic at some point in their career (total yards, TDs, yard per carry, yards per game, etc.) except one player, 'ol Frankie. He was never exceptional at anything, at any point. I await your apology.

blackvodka · 10-09-2025, 12:28 AM

I thought Gore had an all-pro in 2006? That was his best year, it's just not that remembered because of what Tomlinson did in '06.

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2010GBPackers · 10-09-2025, 06:58 AM

Next up: The Case Against Frank Gore’s HOF Candidacy: A Forensic Analysis

49erRCCollector · 10-09-2025, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

Nothing to retract. Let us rundown that list off all time rushing leaders and see if anything stands out.

1. Emmitt Smith
Played 15 Seasons - 4x First Team All-Pro

2. Walter Payton
Played 13 Seasons - 5x First Team All-Pro

3. Frank Gore
Played 16 Seasons - 0x First Team All-Pro

4. Barry Sanders
Played 10 Seasons - 6x First Team All-Pro

5. Adrian Peterson
Played 15 Seasons - 4x First Team All-Pro

6. Curtis Martin
Played 11 Seasons - 1x First Team All-Pro

7. Ladainian Tomlinson
Played 11 Seasons - 3x First Team All-Pro

8. Jerome Bettis
Played 13 Seasons - 2x First Team All-Pro

9. Eric Dickerson
Played 11 Seasons - 5x First Team All-Pro

10. Tony Dorsett
Played 12 Seasons - 1x First Team All-Pro

So not only did your boy play longer than anyone else on that list but he couldn't even muster up one First Team AP.

Also, every player on that list lead the league in some seasonal statistic at some point in their career (total yards, TDs, yard per carry, yards per game, etc.) except one player, 'ol Frankie. He was never exceptional at anything, at any point. I await your apology.

Here's the all time rushing list. The ones with + signs are in the HOF so... the two above and the eleven below are in the HOF.

1 Emmitt Smith+ 18,355
2 Walter Payton+ 16,726
3 Frank Gore 16,000
4 Barry Sanders+ 15,269
5 Adrian Peterson 14,918
6 Curtis Martin+ 14,101
7 L. Tomlinson+ 13,684
8 Jerome Bettis+ 13,662
9 Eric Dickerson+ 13,259
10 Tony Dorsett+ 12,739
11 Jim Brown+ 12,312
12 Marshall Faulk+ 12,279
13 Edgerrin James+12,246
14 Marcus Allen+ 12,243
15 Franco Harris+. 12,120

AND

Russ:
10x PB
1x SB Champ
1x 2nd team All Pro
1x Passer rating leader
1x TD leader

Steve Young:
7x PB
3x 1st team All Pro, 3x 2nd team All Pro
1x SB champ (2 more as backup)
2x League MVP
6x NFL Passer Rating Leader
4x TD leader

One of these things is not like the other.

I expect your resignation letter on my desk by the afternoon.

PuddleMonkey · 10-09-2025, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Here's the all time rushing list. The ones with + signs are in the HOF so... the two above and the eleven below are in the HOF.

1 Emmitt Smith+ 18,355
2 Walter Payton+ 16,726
3 Frank Gore 16,000
4 Barry Sanders+ 15,269
5 Adrian Peterson 14,918
6 Curtis Martin+ 14,101
7 L. Tomlinson+ 13,684
8 Jerome Bettis+ 13,662
9 Eric Dickerson+ 13,259
10 Tony Dorsett+ 12,739
11 Jim Brown+ 12,312
12 Marshall Faulk+ 12,279
13 Edgerrin James+12,246
14 Marcus Allen+ 12,243
15 Franco Harris+. 12,120

AND

Russ:
10x PB
1x SB Champ
1x 2nd team All Pro
1x Passer rating leader
1x TD leader

Steve Young:
7x PB
3x 1st team All Pro, 3x 2nd team All Pro
1x SB champ (2 more as backup)
2x League MVP
6x NFL Passer Rating Leader
4x TD leader

One of these things is not like the other.

I expect your resignation letter on my desk by the afternoon.

Why are you inserting Russell Wilson in a thread about Russell Wilson? Stick to the topic at hand. As a gesture of goodwill I will link you to a 2009 SP Authentic /25 auto of Gore. Only a couple days left and it's at $3.25. He really must've been some stud to command prices like that.

2009 SP Chirography Frank Gore /25

PuddleMonkey · 10-09-2025, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackvodka

I thought Gore had an all-pro in 2006? That was his best year, it's just not that remembered because of what Tomlinson did in '06.

Second Team AP, basically trash and not worth mentioning.

49erRCCollector · 10-09-2025, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

Why are you inserting Russell Wilson in a thread about Russell Wilson? Stick to the topic at hand. As a gesture of goodwill I will link you to a 2009 SP Authentic /25 auto of Gore. Only a couple days left and it's at $3.25. He really must've been some stud to command prices like that.

Running back prices are always low. If we adjusted for Quarterback prices, That’s like $8000.

Archangel1775 · 10-09-2025, 09:18 PM

He'll make it. It'll be by a veteran's committee decades from now but it'll happen. There is just a big vacuum of QB's that weren't on his level that entire decade.

From 2006-2016, so a ten-year span, all you have is him and Matthew Stafford that came into the league as rookies and have a long resume that's worthy of enshrinement. I dont see Matt Ryan or Dak Prescott on that level. If Matt Ryan wins that Super Bowl, he'd be looked at differently. Dak still has a 3 year window, with his current contract, so we'll see on him.

Archangel1775 · 10-09-2025, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

The case FOR:
- Super Bowl Champion
- 10X Pro Bowl
- 12th all time in TD passes
- 15th all time in QB wins

Ahead of him, from his era, are several QBs: Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers.

Then the ones that on first glance might be in the same level as him – but aren’t:
- Matt Ryan (2016 APOY, 2016League MVP, has an All-Pro)
- Eli Manning (2x SB MVP, beat Brady 2x)

Check the last 10 years of HOF inductions Including the super-sized 2020 class). I think it’s only 3 QBs? And something like 26, total?

If I missed anything, I will update this top page with relevant/notable updates, I want this balanced.

Clearly, I’m impartial (insert rimshot).

He will actually make it because of those QB's. With the league adjusting rules to protect players and QB's, many played longer than normal. That limits opportunities for young QB's to take the reigns. All those QB's you mentioned were 8 year plus veterans by the time Russell Wilson came into the league. He excelled in the 2010's as a young QB. Yes, his defense was outstanding but that's a pretty bad ass roster of QB's to outperform.

*The irony as I wrote this, Dart goes down, likely concussion and Russell Wilson back in.

Onepocketj · 10-09-2025, 10:01 PM

I wonder what % of HOFers finished as a back up

49erRCCollector · 10-09-2025, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

He will actually make it because of those QB's. With the league adjusting rules to protect players and QB's, many played longer than normal. That limits opportunities for young QB's to take the reigns. All those QB's you mentioned were 8 year plus veterans by the time Russell Wilson came into the league. He excelled in the 2010's as a young QB. Yes, his defense was outstanding but that's a pretty bad ass roster of QB's to outperform.

*The irony as I wrote this, Dart goes down, likely concussion and Russell Wilson back in.

Stop ruining my fun.

10-08-2025, 05:15 PM	#29
Seahawks fan Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Posts: 7,861	I will give another potential case against. When people look up statistics for QBs to see where the all time greats rank. Passing Yards is one of the 1st things people look up. Wilson ranks amongst the best with all of the outliers behind him (the Palmer/Testaverde/Bledsoe/Collins of the league) and all the people above him either being HOFers or strongly considered. ... that being said. If Wilson is officially done and he doesn't pass Tarkenton's yards...there is a scrub QB that hasn't had a decent season since 2016, that has started 7 less games than Wilson, That hasn't had a 3k yard passing season in 9 fricken years, that is still starting, that only needs 400 yards to pass Wilson. If that player passes Wilson and stays ahead of Wilson after all is said and done...Then Wilson looks like the outlier with those other players mentioned above. __________________ Always looking for Kam Chancellor and Rare Marcus Trufant cards. I will buy or trade just message me.

10-08-2025, 07:01 PM	#31
49erRCCollector Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,550	I'll also add: If he had stayed in Seattle, and finished his career there, it would probably/possibly make up for the rough years he's had since he left. Part of the HOF is stats, awards... part is the narrative you build around your career. Being the best QB by a mile that Seattle ever had is not nothing. Shame it had to sour the way it did. __________________ Will MASSIVELY overpay for: 2002 Fleer Authentix #180, 181 Derek Smith & Zack Bronson AND 2007 Upper Deck Target Exclusive Rookies Autographs #261 Joe Staley #'d to /5

10-08-2025, 10:38 PM	#38
49erRCCollector Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,550	(I hope you know this is all in good fun.) __________________ Will MASSIVELY overpay for: 2002 Fleer Authentix #180, 181 Derek Smith & Zack Bronson AND 2007 Upper Deck Target Exclusive Rookies Autographs #261 Joe Staley #'d to /5 Last edited by 49erRCCollector; 10-08-2025 at 11:00 PM.

10-09-2025, 12:28 AM	#41
blackvodka Member Join Date: Dec 2024 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 1,051	I thought Gore had an all-pro in 2006? That was his best year, it's just not that remembered because of what Tomlinson did in '06. Sent from my motorola razr 2024 using Tapatalk __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/202337276@N02/albums/

10-09-2025, 06:58 AM	#42
2010GBPackers Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,240	Next up: The Case Against Frank Gore’s HOF Candidacy: A Forensic Analysis __________________ "And more and more and more and more And more of less than ever before It's just too much more for your mind to absorb" - Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) Instagram: 2010gbpackers

10-08-2025, 08:04 PM	#32
PuddleMonkey Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 4,148	Is Dave Krieg nothing to you?

10-08-2025, 08:06 PM	#33
PuddleMonkey Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 4,148	He's like a better Steve Young minus all the talent around him.

10-09-2025, 09:18 PM	#47
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,846	He'll make it. It'll be by a veteran's committee decades from now but it'll happen. There is just a big vacuum of QB's that weren't on his level that entire decade. From 2006-2016, so a ten-year span, all you have is him and Matthew Stafford that came into the league as rookies and have a long resume that's worthy of enshrinement. I dont see Matt Ryan or Dak Prescott on that level. If Matt Ryan wins that Super Bowl, he'd be looked at differently. Dak still has a 3 year window, with his current contract, so we'll see on him. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

10-09-2025, 10:01 PM	#49
Onepocketj Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 22,322 jeflave-0 onepocketj	I wonder what % of HOFers finished as a back up