2025 Marvel Comic Book Heros 1975 Anniversary

[LondonGames]

I was just reading and it looks like the way EQL works is that if your payment is declined it will just show that you lost? Gotta imagine that happens to a lot of people without them knowing. I just went to send money and my card that I rarely use was being blocked.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Who here entered to actually open the boxes or was everyone entering to win and then flip the boxes?

You entered to flip them I assume?

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

only one case winner in the entire discord? wow. Looks like a decent amount hit on boxes, think i lost though

To be fair, that's probably 1 more case than any manual user got of Topps Chrome boxing yesterday. Hell, even a product no one wanted, UFC Sapphire, I think barely any manual users got case orders. That product was worth what you were paying for it with no big profit and everyone knew that.

Any of Topps systems now are a joke. The first few drops of the Shopify system were great because you could get an order in 5-10 seconds. All the product available was there right away and the first few things lasted 30-60 seconds which is an eternity. Now you can get to the hit place order in 5-10 seconds on any in demand product and it either leaves you circling in a virtual waiting room that no manual user can hit place order in time on or it says its out of stock on the checkout page. The going in and out of stock obviously favors bot users as they are going to beat manual users on stuff jumping in and out of stock for 30 minutes.

As I'll state for the 1,000th time all of this can be negated and Topps/Fanatics makes more money by just running auctions. You wouldn't have to worry about any bots again or people buying because they know it's a can't lose price. They could do what they are doing and still only allocate so much for the auctions and hold the rest back to sell later at an inflated price to breakers. But why do that when you can sell the initial stock mostly to bot users and at even lower prices to breakers/shops?

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Who here entered to actually open the boxes or was everyone entering to win and then flip the boxes?

I tried for two boxes and would have certainly ripped one, but no need to worry about it, as it turns out.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

You entered to flip them I assume?

I didn't enter at all. I don't buy things like this with the intention to flip. Not that I haven't sold wax, but 95% of wax that I've bought since COVID, I bought at MSRP and opened for myself.

[PrinceVegeta]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Who here entered to actually open the boxes or was everyone entering to win and then flip the boxes?

It's only about the flip now brother..

[finfangfan]

It’s all about getting cheap singles on secondary of cards you like.

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

To be fair, that's probably 1 more case than any manual user got of Topps Chrome boxing yesterday. Hell, even a product no one wanted, UFC Sapphire, I think barely any manual users got case orders. That product was worth what you were paying for it with no big profit and everyone knew that.

Any of Topps systems now are a joke. The first few drops of the Shopify system were great because you could get an order in 5-10 seconds. All the product available was there right away and the first few things lasted 30-60 seconds which is an eternity. Now you can get to the hit place order in 5-10 seconds on any in demand product and it either leaves you circling in a virtual waiting room that no manual user can hit place order in time on or it says its out of stock on the checkout page. The going in and out of stock obviously favors bot users as they are going to beat manual users on stuff jumping in and out of stock for 30 minutes.

As I'll state for the 1,000th time all of this can be negated and Topps/Fanatics makes more money by just running auctions. You wouldn't have to worry about any bots again or people buying because they know it's a can't lose price. They could do what they are doing and still only allocate so much for the auctions and hold the rest back to sell later at an inflated price to breakers. But why do that when you can sell the initial stock mostly to bot users and at even lower prices to breakers/shops?

Moss, don’t you only buy to flip (no judgement)? Why would you want to pay a market clearing price if your intention is to make profit?


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[LondonGames]

I bit the bullet and picked up a box for 350. Hoping to get a couple more. That'll satisfy my craving to bust a few. Between this and Green Day it'll be the most I've busted in a long time. Kinda happy I didn't win a case now. Didn't really need that much.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

Moss, don’t you only buy to flip (no judgement)? Why would you want to pay a market clearing price if your intention is to make profit?


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I do this as a business now. Like 98% of people whether they want to admit it or not. Not that it matters but I was pretty much a collector only for give or take 25 years. I have opened virtually every major brand released this century besides for Flawless and Eminence. Even opening at and below real MSRP prices it was usually tough to come out ahead selling to add cards to my collection or trading for cards for my collection. Now with prices on 99% of products it's virtually impossible. I've opened a few box sets over the last 4 years and will probably have to open my WNBA Prizm Premium set. Prettyy much everything else makes no sense. If I was still collecting I would buy singles versus opening.

I want to buy during auctions because I know I'm getting the product from the source and will have no issues. I can also buy at the price the market determines. Most secondary prices currently are not the price the market determines until well after release when a product is cold and there isn't much demand. As Im sure you know they are artificially manipulated prices on many products before then. Panini is letting the money tree members create a number out of thin air that always drops. Topps is creating artificial scarcity by holding back tons of the product to sell to breakers later at much higher prices.

I sometimes buy Topps products on the secondary market. It's impossible if you're not breaking to buy Panini hobby products at manipulated prices as 95% or more of the time that price goes down.

A huge issue with buying Topps cases on the secondary market is the way they seal these cases. I was already burned once. If you know what these cases look like anyone one earth could easily open and reseal them. It's the exact opposite with the way Panini seals cases. Topps uses regular tape. Panini uses there own business seals. There is usually too big of a case premium and margins too low to buy individual boxes on the secondary market. Usually the people that you are going to be sure to get the real Topps product in sealed case format are going to have the highest prices too.

Whether its best for me or not is irrelevant. The average person trying to buy any in demand Topps product would be better served if Topps ran auctions versus the current formats. Topps/Fanatics would also make more money. All these EQL and stuff like Boxing yesterday just make the floor price what you would have sold the boxes for at a set price. Then you sell every box at or above that and the people that actually want it get it. No more bots. No more people only buying because they know its immediate easy money.

Say what you want about Panini, but how many Panini auctions have bots gone after in the past 5 years? Less than 1 per year. How many auctions have you had to worry about beating every person via luck or EQL because that person knew what they were buying was a guaranteed easy flip? I'm willing to take risks if it makes sense and so should anyone else in this business.

[PrinceVegeta]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

I was just reading and it looks like the way EQL works is that if your payment is declined it will just show that you lost? Gotta imagine that happens to a lot of people without them knowing. I just went to send money and my card that I rarely use was being blocked.

I had this happen on tennis royalty..ruined my day. It's brutal they won't give you a chance to get the payment through

[unreal13]

Originally Posted by PrinceVegeta

I had this happen on tennis royalty..ruined my day. It's brutal they won't give you a chance to get the payment through

I think it's stupid, but for $3.99 a month EQL+ covers the Run Fair fee and gives you an extra 15 minutes to correct your payment if it's declined. I signed up prior to entering for Sapphire just to avoid the Run Fair fee if I won, and will cancel before the end of the month. Made sense to me to pay $3.99 rather than 2.5%-5%.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by PrinceVegeta

I had this happen on tennis royalty..ruined my day. It's brutal they won't give you a chance to get the payment through

That suckssssssss. The bank I use primarily is super super protective and I get fraud alerts for just about every single new payment I use. Or every single time I use the ATM.

Definitely going to switch my payment method. Thanks for the heads up.

[Chiwsox2005]

Originally Posted by unreal13

I think it's stupid, but for $3.99 a month EQL+ covers the Run Fair fee and gives you an extra 15 minutes to correct your payment if it's declined. I signed up prior to entering for Sapphire just to avoid the Run Fair fee if I won, and will cancel before the end of the month. Made sense to me to pay $3.99 rather than 2.5%-5%.

FYI - I'm pretty sure Topps covers the Run Fair fee. I've never been charged that separate fee on wins. So you aren't actually saving anything on that part with the EQL plus. Other websites that use EQL make the customer cover that fee separately, but not Topps. The only real benefit is the 15 minute grace period for payment declines.

[unreal13]

Originally Posted by Chiwsox2005

FYI - I'm pretty sure Topps covers the Run Fair fee. I've never been charged that separate fee on wins. So you aren't actually saving anything on that part with the EQL plus. Other websites that use EQL make the customer cover that fee separately, but not Topps. The only real benefit is the 15 minute grace period for payment declines.

Good to know, appreciate it! I just wanted to play it safe than sorry for $4, but definitely won't be renewing it now.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

The bowing is 100% a serious pain. From what I have gotten my hands on from 2025 Marvel Chrome, however, they have solved this problem.

I think you'll find that you're in a pretty rare group of collectors other than that. Even Panini has fallen in line with trying to chromify everything. UD, not so much, but the UD cards suffer QC bad enough to avoid it.

I'm not sure what the complaint is about autograph ink but good news, these are sticker (soft) autos.

As for aging, I vastly prefer chrome to whatever coating was used in the 1990s. Opening a pack of 1993 finest (33 years old) is fine. Opening a pack of '93 fleer ultra? Bricked.

There are still plenty of QC problems with chromium Topps products -- head on over to the '25 TC baseball thread to see discussions on it. Better yet, go on eBay and see all the scratches on TC card surfaces.

Yes, there is a clear problem with discoloration of chromium cards from the 90s. But at least they offer variety and uniqueness -- ultra-modern TC is pretty bland and generic.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

Lowest price right now on eBay is $415 with free shipping. Seller might get $340 after eBay fees and shipping?

$60 profit ain't a bad % return.

Yeah, if you're selling in volume over time. Is it worth the effort to win a box or two on occasion?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Anejo

I got the Big "L" on both the cases and boxes. I'm due to win soon lol, lost the last 6. Who has the longest EQL losing streak here?

Definitely a gambler mentality here -- haha.

"I'm do -- I just know it."

[Anejo]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Definitely a gambler mentality here -- haha.

"I'm do -- I just know it."

LOL exactly that's why I don't live in Las Vegas!

[bub838]

Odds
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/06...f?v=1757015517

I still don't understand the pricing

[kakarot12]

Somebody posted a box on eBay “in hand” I made them an offer but then they ended the listing and I guess opened the box because they posted a few cards if anybody wants to see them I messaged them and they said that all of them came from one box. There were four total numbered cards. /199 /150 /99 /75. Not sure if that’s going to be the average for every box or not.

[ricebellypanda]

Originally Posted by kakarot12

Somebody posted a box on eBay “in hand” I made them an offer but then they ended the listing and I guess opened the box because they posted a few cards if anybody wants to see them I messaged them and they said that all of them came from one box. There were four total numbered cards. /199 /150 /99 /75. Not sure if that’s going to be the average for every box or not.

Cards look kinda ok

[unreal13]

This is back up on EQL for $20 more than prior for the next hour

[notoriousrmb]

I don't see how 4 numbered parallels equates to a $300 box, but I guess that's just 2025.

[glorbgorb]

Anyone find a checklist that actually shows who the artists are? I am piecing together one from some artists who post their work, but that only works for those. I know there are some I am missing.

EDIT: I also love that the box advertises "32 TOTAL CARDS!" as if that is a lot.