First Buzz: 2025 Topps Triumphant tennis cards

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

But yeah, given that there's likely no on-card autos in the product, it SHOULD be priced like secondary market prices of TC and Graphite.

However, Topps will probably price it closer to Royalty (like $250-$300 per).

I suspect it will be reasonable, but likely wrong on that.

[The Accountant]

started a min late from a meeting running over... darn

[mossoholic]

It was actually available before noon and you still couldn’t checkout.

[Archimedes]

The price wasn't great, so I was thinking that you could've gotten some. But I was wrong.

[cruiserdaddy7]

People will expect Royalty all over again and be disappointed.

[Bob Ross]

September 25th release date. Nice little month+ free loan for Fanatics. And possibly longer if they push it out further (see 2023 Basketball Royalty, now 5 months past the preorder and nowhere to be seen, still holding funds). Not to mention these today were practically impossible to buy. FWIW: 1747 boxes and 40 cases loaded.

Good times!

[eastbayak]

Even with a Nadal (sticker) auto chase, this should be a ~$200 product (and that's on the higher-end).

But I also understand the influence that group breakers have on product prices.

With that said, I'd rather have 2024 TC tennis hobby at $80-$90 per or Graphite at $125-$140 per (than whatever this will sell at on the secondary market).

[mossoholic]

I can't believe Im saying this but this is now actually worse than EQL. At least EQL I know I can win 1 out of 15 to 20. This was a product with seemingly little demand and no advance price. It was available before noon and I added to cart the second it went live. Was to where you should have been able to click place order 5 seconds after going live before noon. Sold out. Tried for multiple checkouts actually before noon. Couldn't get 1. If you couldn't get this or many of the recent less in demand releases, how are you ever going to have a chance at anything NBA or NFL that's in demand?

[prospectorgems]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I can't believe Im saying this but this is now actually worse than EQL. At least EQL I know I can win 1 out of 15 to 20. This was a product with seemingly little demand and no advance price. It was available before noon and I added to cart the second it went live. Was to where you should have been able to click place order 5 seconds after going live before noon. Sold out. Tried for multiple checkouts actually before noon. Couldn't get 1. If you couldn't get this or many of the recent less in demand releases, how are you ever going to have a chance at anything NBA or NFL that's in demand?

Did you try to grab a case? My issue is I always try to grab a case first and never win and then I try to go after boxes and have to hit fresh a ton of times and sometimes can score a box or two. This time, I went straight for the boxes and got 1 right away. Then just out of curiosity, i wanted to see if I could get more and after one refresh I was able to get 2 more boxes and then just called it quits.

When it comes down to when Topps Basketball hits, none of us will get anything, not even a box, the Bots will hammer down so fast, have no choice but to buy on the secondary inflated prices.

[Bob Ross]

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I can't believe Im saying this but this is now actually worse than EQL. At least EQL I know I can win 1 out of 15 to 20. This was a product with seemingly little demand and no advance price. It was available before noon and I added to cart the second it went live. Was to where you should have been able to click place order 5 seconds after going live before noon. Sold out. Tried for multiple checkouts actually before noon. Couldn't get 1. If you couldn't get this or many of the recent less in demand releases, how are you ever going to have a chance at anything NBA or NFL that's in demand?

Yeah, I actually prefer EQL. I've only ever won once, but at least I won. You and I agree that an auction is the best approach. I wish everything was a modified Dutch auction.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I can't believe Im saying this but this is now actually worse than EQL. At least EQL I know I can win 1 out of 15 to 20. This was a product with seemingly little demand and no advance price. It was available before noon and I added to cart the second it went live. Was to where you should have been able to click place order 5 seconds after going live before noon. Sold out. Tried for multiple checkouts actually before noon. Couldn't get 1. If you couldn't get this or many of the recent less in demand releases, how are you ever going to have a chance at anything NBA or NFL that's in demand?

I was able to get all the way to "Place Order" multiple times (even when not buying a product, I'll still practice the ATC/check out [without purchase] process, keeps me up-to-date on any potential changes for future drops).

I did "better" on this drop than I did on other drops (in which I actually went through with buying product).

Honestly, best strategy is to just forget about the case option and go for loose boxes (and only a few).

[Bob Ross]

Worst to best (loose term) methods for releases:

99) Dutch oven
98) EQL
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.
.
.
1) FCFS

[eastbayak]

I still prefer how it is to EQL because I've been more successful with the former (including before the in-and-out of stock situation).

With EQL, I'm 1 for ~15 and my sole win was a product that was priced astronomically high so not as many were interested in it (2023-24 Topps Mercury BKB).

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by prospectorgems

Did you try to grab a case? My issue is I always try to grab a case first and never win and then I try to go after boxes and have to hit fresh a ton of times and sometimes can score a box or two. This time, I went straight for the boxes and got 1 right away. Then just out of curiosity, i wanted to see if I could get more and after one refresh I was able to get 2 more boxes and then just called it quits.

When it comes down to when Topps Basketball hits, none of us will get anything, not even a box, the Bots will hammer down so fast, have no choice but to buy on the secondary inflated prices.

I couldn't tell you the last in demand product whether I went for boxes or cases first that I got an order and didn't get the waiting in line, sold out, or doesn't accept any credit cards bs. I have as fast of internet as you can get and if you know how to checkout you should be able to get a checkout in around 5 seconds. No one knew the price, product not in huge demand, available before noon, saw as soon as it went live, only went for 1 case, and sold out. How many manual users could possibly get an order ahead of me in that timeframe?

Originally Posted by Archimedes

Yeah, I actually prefer EQL. I've only ever won once, but at least I won. You and I agree that an auction is the best approach. I wish everything was a modified Dutch auction.

I will take any type of auction. I don't care what the format is. At least you know you are on an equal playing field. With a high enough starting price, we would never have to worry about bots again. The issue is, Topps current system is hold back a ton of product and sell later at way higher prices under the table. If they had to sell it all, like any other company has ever done, they obviously would make way more auctioning. Just have the floor price the price you would charge anyway. You will make more every time. But they would rather alienate 99.9% of their customers by using a corrupt model with obviously does fit the most corrupt business on earth.

[Bob Ross]

Mossoholic - you hit 5 Marvel Sapphire on EQL. You don't need an auction. I need some of the canvas you're painting on. Help an artist out!

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Worst to best (loose term) methods for releases:

99) Dutch oven
98) EQL
.
.
.
.
1) FCFS

If you think an auction is the worst, it's because you only want to buy product at a price you can't lose. That or you are one of the few people that just want to open a few cheap boxes here and there and won't buy at a higher price. For the other 99%, if you are willing to take risks, an auction is better for any manual user.

If you're under the assumption it would be like the Panini auctions I understand that a little. For quite awhile now they are not auctioning all the boxes or in some cases not even much over 50%. I would take any auction but would obviously prefer a fair one with all or close to all the boxes available. The best option for Topps would be a blind bid type auction where everyone has 24 or 48 hours to bid.

Originally Posted by eastbayak

I still prefer how it is to EQL because I've been more successful with the former (including before the in-and-out of stock situation).

With EQL, I'm 1 for ~15 and my sole win was a product that was priced astronomically high so not as many were interested in it (2023-24 Topps Mercury BKB).

I've hardly won any but when you win one that matters how many couple box orders here and there would it take to make up for that? I won on Diamond Icons 5 boxes. They shipped as 2 sealed cases and 1 single box. Regardless, good luck getting anything in demand NBA or NFL. That's assuming they just don't EQL most of it anyway. Both systems suck.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

If you think an auction is the worst, it's because you only want to buy product at a price you can't lose. That or you are one of the few people that just want to open a few cheap boxes here and there and won't buy at a higher price. For the other 99%, if you are willing to take risks, an auction is better for any manual user.



I've hardly won any but when you win one that matters how many couple box orders here and there would it take to make up for that? I won on Diamond Icons 5 boxes. They shipped as 2 sealed cases and 1 single box. Regardless, good luck getting anything in demand NBA or NFL. That's assuming they just don't EQL most of it anyway. Both systems suck.

You won 5 boxes of Diamond Icons AND 5 boxes of Marvel Sapphire via EQL?!

You might be the luckiest SOB I know lol.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

If you think an auction is the worst, it's because you only want to buy product at a price you can't lose. That or you are one of the few people that just want to open a few cheap boxes here and there and won't buy at a higher price. For the other 99%, if you are willing to take risks, an auction is better for any manual user.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

You won 5 boxes of Diamond Icons AND 5 boxes of Marvel Sapphire via EQL?!

You might be the luckiest SOB I know lol.

Im something like 4 for 60 and lost on the case option every time. I've entered the vast majority.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Im something like 4 for 60 and lost on the case option every time. I've entered the vast majority.

That's a great success rate (basically the same as mine except I won something that wasn't nearly as demanded as DI/Marvel Sapphire/etc).

[redgem]

What was Topps selling the boxes for? Secondary flippers are asking around $500 now. I think Royalty boxes can be had for around 800 and you get twice as many autos (6 vs 3) with some card signed.

[LM14500]

Originally Posted by redgem

What was Topps selling the boxes for? Secondary flippers are asking around $500 now. I think Royalty boxes can be had for around 800 and you get twice as many autos (6 vs 3) with some card signed.

They were £200 and $225

[ricebellypanda]

How is this product this expensive? Did we all forget how awful Chrome/Graphite bombed? Just because Royalty had knob autos to chase doesn't mean tennis cards are now the new hot thing

[hocasio2]

Originally Posted by Jagsfansunshine

Pass. Redundant set like graphite and the checklist is not great. Nadal, Djoker, & Alcaraz, yes -- but rcs besides fearnley (maybe joint/noskova/parks) are underwhelming. Missing opportunity to include Fonseca, Lehecka, Michaelson, Pericard, Mensik's auto, Cobolli's auto, Diallo's auto & wta talent like Maneiro, jovic, Boisson, & Kessler.

Including Fonseca & Fed alone would have carried the set.

Eva Lys will be a popular chase.