Topps Marvel Mint

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by nextlevel10

I’m sure I won’t win any of the drops but I love the next 24-48 hours on eBay for an online exclusive product like this. Undercutting galore so it’s easy to pick up boxes for $5-600 each that will then sell for $750 in a week or two once the low hanging fruit gets eaten up.

Fanatics for all there faults is really good normalizing prices that are so awful

500-600-750 for this stuff. And they do it across the boards of all sports

Take my money please

[PrinceVegeta]

Originally Posted by nextlevel10

I’m sure I won’t win any of the drops but I love the next 24-48 hours on eBay for an online exclusive product like this. Undercutting galore so it’s easy to pick up boxes for $5-600 each that will then sell for $750 in a week or two once the low hanging fruit gets eaten up.

Fools with no credit limit or risk tolerance

[PrinceVegeta]

Won 5 boxes

[peterose4hof]

Lost the boxes and case drawing.

[MTBRM]

L on a single box

[Bob Ross]

Not 1 case on ebay other than DA, which conveniently has in hand pictures of the case already. So that's super cool.

Really fun stuff.

[unreal13]

Loser on both as well

Originally Posted by PrinceVegeta

Won 5 boxes

Congrats!

[TheRock88]

Lost on 2 boxes

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by MTBRM

L on a single box

Me too.

[DocWest]

11 cards for $700 on the secondary market is crazy. Especially when most of the cards are base. I know nobody opens for themselves anymore because it’s so risky and this all ends up with breakers one way or another, but this all feels so dystopian.

[Sickleclaw]

Originally Posted by DocWest

11 cards for $700 on the secondary market is crazy. Especially when most of the cards are base. I know nobody opens for themselves anymore because it’s so risky and this all ends up with breakers one way or another, but this all feels so dystopian.

It does, which is why I haven't touched a single Topps product so far. Sticking with Upper deck / cryptozoic releases for future.

[Xiarmadillo]

If Fanatics is not scrambling to do an IPO then Ill eat my leather shoe...
Its all about pumping the revenue before it all crash back down to earth

Like someone said, anyone paying $700 for these 11 card packs just either dont care about money, or didnt do any research on the product. (as is the case for many of these buyers)
the presale is also intentionally only a tiny % as they can exercise much better price control in the pump with less chance of dumping, then sell the remaining at much higher price (but discount to the going rate to give facade of bargain). Kind of similar to some of the IPO tactics

Im more than happy to keep picking up singles...heck was able to pick up 50+ case hits for the price of a pack of this junk (only junk because of the price these would have been alright at $100 even though still no interest to bust even then)

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Fanatics for all there faults is really good normalizing prices that are so awful

500-600-750 for this stuff. And they do it across the boards of all sports

Take my money please

The breaker model is what has normalized higher prices -- Panini's products are also relatively high priced.

Fanatics, as the exclusive holder of multiple card licenses, can and does influence pricing, though, with the direct and indirect control of supply and distribution.

[kyle1707]

Watched a couple boxes opened on YouTube.

Everyone has had maybe 50-100 dollars in cards


So it’s a 400-500 dollar lose per box

I do realize every 5-10 boxes will have a big card

But overall it’s just like everything else in this ultra modern garbage era

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Watched a couple boxes opened on YouTube.

Everyone has had maybe 50-100 dollars in cards


So it’s a 400-500 dollar lose per box

I do realize every 5-10 boxes will have a big card

But overall it’s just like everything else in this ultra modern garbage era

Well, it's not garbage if base still sell for $5. Garbage ROI sure. The cards aren't garbage, they're still worth selling. If someone offered me 10,000 unsearched cards from 1991 Topps I would charge them for the landfill fee. If you offered me base from this set at $1 per card dlvd, I'd buy them.

I do wonder how trading card eras will shake out like in comic books. Nonsports doesn't really quite have the "junk wax" era ... or maybe it does with all the odds and ends released ... but I do feel that COVID will definitely mark the acceleration into a new era for most trading cards. I saw someone on Facebook call it "the fanatical era" but people might be upset with the brand name inserted into it so maybe "the breaker's era" is a better descriptor as you note it marks the jolt of sealed prices to new absurd highs.

Even with baseball cards I think it will go something like:
Pre-War Era
Vintage Era (1948-1985)
Junk Wax Era (1986-1994)
Modern Era (1995-2010)
Ultra Modern Era (2011-2020)
Fanatical/Breaker's Era (2021-)

[kyle1707]

Garbage prices is a better way to put it

Yes there are great cards being made

[DocWest]

I’ve watched 5 cases of this get opened and the vast majority of them were pretty brutal when comparing it to the secondary market $700 tag. Maybe 5-6 boxes had a big card, but the rest were really rough. The positives were that the sketch cards I saw looked much better than the ones in regular Marvel Chrome. The Gambit playing cards in the case are pretty cool looking too. With that said, the art on everything else leaves a lot to be desired and looks almost like sloppy AI art. I’m sure it’s not, but it looks cheap to me.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Well, it's not garbage if base still sell for $5. Garbage ROI sure. The cards aren't garbage, they're still worth selling. If someone offered me 10,000 unsearched cards from 1991 Topps I would charge them for the landfill fee. If you offered me base from this set at $1 per card dlvd, I'd buy them.

I do wonder how trading card eras will shake out like in comic books. Nonsports doesn't really quite have the "junk wax" era ... or maybe it does with all the odds and ends released ... but I do feel that COVID will definitely mark the acceleration into a new era for most trading cards. I saw someone on Facebook call it "the fanatical era" but people might be upset with the brand name inserted into it so maybe "the breaker's era" is a better descriptor as you note it marks the jolt of sealed prices to new absurd highs.

Even with baseball cards I think it will go something like:
Pre-War Era
Vintage Era (1948-1985)
Junk Wax Era (1986-1994)
Modern Era (1995-2010)
Ultra Modern Era (2011-2020)
Fanatical/Breaker's Era (2021-)

I think your eras are reasonably divided.

The junk wax era of nonsports is 80s to mid 90s when the presses were cranked way, way up…think early 90s Impel GI Joe or Disney, Upper Deck Looney Tunes (the 1990 one), Topps Batman, early Marvel sets like Marvel Universe or Fleer Ultra X-Men. That stuff was printed to the moon. But I’d argue it does go back further into the 80s with all those Topps Movie and TV show sets…the ones that had the cool pack and box covers…thinking like Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Jaws, etc…that stuff was printed a ton also. That ushered in the junk era imo.

2020 very well may be a good dividing point. It certainly is for the Marvel sector for obvious reasons. The new marvel card “hobby” under Topps is something I barely even recognize. It’s largely just gambling for lottery boxes to sell, or breaking to gamble…not much collecting going on at all (notice how little there is in this thread alone about what people are going for or collecting in this set…it’s the same with almost all the Topps sets. I suspect there are many people who just flock to whatever Topps is releasing…whatever the heck it is- Baseball, Disney, WWE, Marvel, F1- for the $$$$ aspect…it’s not wrong, if money can be made go for it- but that’s what marvel basically is now. Many long time collectors who loved the UD marvel era..with the epack aspect of that also…are getting out.

[Xiarmadillo]

Originally Posted by crdbored

Odds up. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/06...f?v=1755031522

Quick glance. There are approx. 15,701 total boxes (1 stan lee cut) which means approx. 1,570 cases.

The SDCC exclusive had approx. 1,560 boxes (1 doom SDCC super) so approx. 156 cases.

some information regarding at least the bases...
Watched a couple of case breaks on speed, seems all the boxes have 2 gold, 3 silver and 4 bronze bases
The funny thing is with how many in each category (50 bronze, 25 silver and 25 gold), the bronze base is actually as rare as the gold, and silver have print run 50% more than either the bronze or gold.

none of the bases are rare....bronze/gold print run at least 1380, silver print run at least 2071 (silver print run is comparable to 2024 chrome sapphire base)

[crdbored]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I think your eras are reasonably divided.

The junk wax era of nonsports is 80s to mid 90s when the presses were cranked way, way up…think early 90s Impel GI Joe or Disney, Upper Deck Looney Tunes (the 1990 one), Topps Batman, early Marvel sets like Marvel Universe or Fleer Ultra X-Men. That stuff was printed to the moon. But I’d argue it does go back further into the 80s with all those Topps Movie and TV show sets…the ones that had the cool pack and box covers…thinking like Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Jaws, etc…that stuff was printed a ton also. That ushered in the junk era imo.

2020 very well may be a good dividing point. It certainly is for the Marvel sector for obvious reasons. The new marvel card “hobby” under Topps is something I barely even recognize. It’s largely just gambling for lottery boxes to sell, or breaking to gamble…not much collecting going on at all (notice how little there is in this thread alone about what people are going for or collecting in this set…it’s the same with almost all the Topps sets. I suspect there are many people who just flock to whatever Topps is releasing…whatever the heck it is- Baseball, Disney, WWE, Marvel, F1- for the $$$$ aspect…it’s not wrong, if money can be made go for it- but that’s what marvel basically is now. Many long time collectors who loved the UD marvel era..with the epack aspect of that also…are getting out.

This 100%. It's basically brand recognition at this point. Topps/Fanatics has done a great job of getting at the forefront and presenting itself as the "best" card manufacturer out there.

The hype machine rolls for every product, people buy/flip, grade, and move onto the next product Topps tells them to buy.

[StlBen]

Originally Posted by DocWest

11 cards for $700 on the secondary market is crazy. Especially when most of the cards are base. I know nobody opens for themselves anymore because it’s so risky and this all ends up with breakers one way or another, but this all feels so dystopian.

I opened both of my boxes by myself. Bought at retail though not secondary. Easily tripled my money selling the singles. Blame whomever you want, but people are buying singles, people are buying boxes and opening themselves...its not just breakers ruining it for you.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by StlBen

I opened both of my boxes by myself. Bought at retail though not secondary. Easily tripled my money selling the singles. Blame whomever you want, but people are buying singles, people are buying boxes and opening themselves...its not just breakers ruining it for you.

1) I’m not saying every single person is in it just to flip boxes or do breaks (but many are). 2) kinda helping prove the point about $$$

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by crdbored

This 100%. It's basically brand recognition at this point. Topps/Fanatics has done a great job of getting at the forefront and presenting itself as the "best" card manufacturer out there.

The hype machine rolls for every product, people buy/flip, grade, and move onto the next product Topps tells them to buy.

Yep that’s what it is basically the Topps brand just selling things, because it’s…Topps. I mean we’ve just seen people go crazy about Topps chrome VeeFriends… says a lot.

Still convinced Topps could hypothetically do “Topps Chrome sack of crap”…and then the inevitable Sapphire version of it…for $300 or $500 no less…and there will be the people lining up for the lottery to flip that box. Maybe an extreme example…but you get the idea..barely even matters what the content of the set even is.

[glorbgorb]

So I'm not hip to the EQL stuff. I know they're basically a third-party company Topps uses for the lottery system for outside buyers. Is the whole idea here that there is such a tiny amount presented to EQL that the rest are sold directly to breakers or other high-volume buyers? Basically the small buyer who may only want a box or two, or even a case, has a close-to-zero chance of actually getting something direct?

[StlBen]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

1) I’m not saying every single person is in it just to flip boxes or do breaks (but many are). 2) kinda helping prove the point about $$$

Sorry I didn't break down the cards I sold, but it's not proving your point as people were buying singles of base cards for $5-25 each. Those are collectors not gamblers. If base cards alone are selling for enough double your money on the box its not gambling. It's selling cards to collectors.