Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by evshingles

this is what happens where there is no competition. nobody is challenging topps on pricing. i look to the ongoing antitrust lawsuits as the last possible weapon against the monopolization of licensed sports products under fanatics.

Hard case to prove. The PA’s have equity The company and fanatics overpaid by a lot for the rights.

AND! The exclusive model has been a part of the hobby for 20 years now.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Yeah I don't get why MLB, NBA, NFL, etc...don't want to have more players in the game.

Competition makes for better products and happier customers.

Because they all have been doing this for years. And not just in the card business.

Fanatics is just the latest company to throw
Money at the leagues to make even more money

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

He was the breakout card of 20……17.

NOT 18.

Ok. lol. Technicality. You are right. Point is the same

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Does this work?

Thank you!

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

Because they all have been doing this for years. And not just in the card business.

Fanatics is just the latest company to throw
Money at the leagues to make even more money

Not attacking you specifically, but "because it's been that way for years" is one of the dumbest reasons to keep doing something.

Supposedly they sold the license to Fanatics for minimum $200M/year (at least 10x what Topps previously paid).

Why not sell 3 licenses for let's say $140M to Fanatics/UD/Panini? Or make up whatever figure to account for the potential lost revenue from the equity stake.

Maybe UD or Panini would have balked at the price and we'd still be left with just one producer. But collectors are the ones who have lost out bc of this single license era.

I get it from Fanatics POV. They saw an opportunity to establish a legal monopoly and paid to do it.

[Skipscards]

These are finally starting to sell on eBay for ~$650. After fees and shipping, that's a net of ~$550.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

If only they allowed us to buy 2-3 boxes instead of 1

You certainly could pick up another box or two from members who aren't as excited.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

Ok. lol. Technicality. You are right. Point is the same

No it’s not.

He was a 16 call up and was in 2017 series one. But before that, he was already a prospect with cards as far back as 2013.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

These are finally starting to sell on eBay for ~$650. After fees and shipping, that's a net of ~$550.

And after the cost of the box(and the shipping taxes to you), you make what? $25 ?!

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

No it’s not.

He was a 16 call up and was in 2017 series one. But before that, he was already a prospect with cards as far back as 2013.

Dude. My point was, that when 2017 Heritage was released, Judge was just another mid-tier prospect. Virtually nobody knew who he was. He was not highly touted until he started going nuts. Same for Cal Raleigh…just another rookie until he actually blew up. My point is that it’s not all about the guys people THINK will be great….sometimes there are late bloomers/emergers.

And they certainly were not chasing Judge heavily in Series 1 Flagship when it released on February 1, 2017. He was just another rookie card.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Not attacking you specifically, but "because it's been that way for years" is one of the dumbest reasons to keep doing something.

Supposedly they sold the license to Fanatics for minimum $200M/year (at least 10x what Topps previously paid).

Why not sell 3 licenses for let's say $140M to Fanatics/UD/Panini? Or make up whatever figure to account for the potential lost revenue from the equity stake.

Maybe UD or Panini would have balked at the price and we'd still be left with just one producer. But collectors are the ones who have lost out bc of this single license era.

I get it from Fanatics POV. They saw an opportunity to establish a legal monopoly and paid to do it.

The leagues saw the multiple license model collapse. Fleer went under and sold for scraps to UD.
Panini is literally 20 failed brands owned by a sticker company.

The leagues want predictable income. And they saw anything but that when you even have two manufacturers.

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

He was the breakout card of 20……17.

NOT 18.

Not to mention that he had 52 home runs in 2017. Hardly out of nowhere.

[RaceDog]

Well, I just got my 1 box

I'm sure I will sell it, but the urge to rip is always strong...Might have to throw it up on eBay at a high enough price to quell the urge, lol

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

And after the cost of the box(and the shipping taxes to you), you make what? $25 ?!

I don't even know why people are looking at eBay right now. It was released 7 hours ago only to Monty members. The public sale and product release is late August. Once the product is officially sold out, shipped, and starts breaking, that's when prices really start to take off.

I made this mistake with Bowman Sapphire. Got antsy after two days when secondary market sales were barely above cost. And this was with the product in hand. A couple of months later, those boxes hit 1K.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by premium1981

That's such an odd way of thinking to me. Everyone is entitled to do their own thing, but I have never said "nah" when someone offers me free money on a silver platter. Take it, then buy you something to open as a "collector" for free. Why would anyone not want to do that? All it takes is about 10 minutes of work for what should be $100 or more as a reward. To each their own I guess.

I have better things to do with my time, than to waste my time to try and flip a box of cards for trivial profit. I don't need the money. I don't care. On the flip side, I do not like to grossly overpay for stuff, b/c I like to open wax.

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Not to mention that he had 52 home runs in 2017. Hardly out of nowhere.

Judge's debut season, in which he batted .179/.263/.345 and struck out 42 times in 95 plate appearances, ended prematurely when he was placed on the 15-day disabled list.

My point was, he had rookie cards in 2017 Heritage (which at that time was released on March 1, 2017) and he was, at the time, a nobody for the most part. Not very highly touted at the time. Had a crappy debut in 2016 and people were not talking about him at all in March of 2017.

Of, course he had a great season in 2017, but he absolutely was not high on most peoples list of rookie cards that people were wanting when his rookie cards first started coming out.

Anybody paying attention in March 2017 would agree that his 2017 season came from basically out of nowhere. It was VERY surprising.

[Osfan81]

I got my box of this. I always enjoy sapphire. I enjoy the shorter auto checklist. And don’t get me wrong, I spend way too much money on Topps.com.

I just feel so dirty and part of the problem tonight after I paid $500 for 1 box with 1 auto. I’m just so disgusted right now. Last year, I bought a box and got smoked with Coco Montes as my auto in the one box and no good base cards. I could stomach that one knowing the risk and at $350. For $500 for a box knowing there’s greater chances of a $5 auto than a $500 auto, I’m kinda regretting my decision right now. $500 is 10 pitching lessons for my kid. It just feels dirty knowing how much they took advantage of me and everybody else with this cash grab by charging $480 right out of the gate for an ehhhh checklist. Could you imagine them doing this in 2021 with one of the worst rookie classes in years? Sigh, I’m kind of talking myself out of opening this, and my son and I always enjoyed this set in particular.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

The leagues saw the multiple license model collapse. Fleer went under and sold for scraps to UD.
Panini is literally 20 failed brands owned by a sticker company.

The leagues want predictable income. And they saw anything but that when you even have two manufacturers.

Good point. I forgot about the companies that folded.

I just think some kind of competition is good for the hobby and will put a little pressure on Fanatics to release amazing products and/or keep prices reasonable.


I guess I just miss my friend, Exquisite. (said in my best Red voice).

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Good point. I forgot about the companies that folded.

I just think some kind of competition is good for the hobby and will put a little pressure on Fanatics to release amazing products and/or keep prices reasonable.


I guess I just miss my friend, Exquisite. (said in my best Red voice).

Unfortunately, it takes two to tango. With the players getting an equity share I thought I read, no way any legitimate competition happens. With the players and teams agreeing to multiple decade deals, this is what we’re stuck with. Folks are learning economics lessons about what happens when you have a monopoly. The monopoly can artificially lower supply to raise prices. Then they can keep raising prices higher and higher and fragment costs with breakers.

I’m just demoralized with the cost of sapphire and chrome in general this year. So I guess I’ll take my sulking elsewhere. Enough of Debbie downer for the night.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

I got my box of this. I always enjoy sapphire. I enjoy the shorter auto checklist. And don’t get me wrong, I spend way too much money on Topps.com.

I just feel so dirty and part of the problem tonight after I paid $500 for 1 box with 1 auto. I’m just so disgusted right now. Last year, I bought a box and got smoked with Coco Montes as my auto in the one box and no good base cards. I could stomach that one knowing the risk and at $350. For $500 for a box knowing there’s greater chances of a $5 auto than a $500 auto, I’m kinda regretting my decision right now. $500 is 10 pitching lessons for my kid. It just feels dirty knowing how much they took advantage of me and everybody else with this cash grab by charging $480 right out of the gate for an ehhhh checklist. Could you imagine them doing this in 2021 with one of the worst rookie classes in years? Sigh, I’m kind of talking myself out of opening this, and my son and I always enjoyed this set in particular.

How, exactly, did they take advantage of you?

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

How, exactly, did they take advantage of you?

Everyone is a victim. Give him a doll and tell him to point to where Fanatics hurt him.

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

I got my box of this. I always enjoy sapphire. I enjoy the shorter auto checklist. And don’t get me wrong, I spend way too much money on Topps.com.

I just feel so dirty and part of the problem tonight after I paid $500 for 1 box with 1 auto. I’m just so disgusted right now. Last year, I bought a box and got smoked with Coco Montes as my auto in the one box and no good base cards. I could stomach that one knowing the risk and at $350. For $500 for a box knowing there’s greater chances of a $5 auto than a $500 auto, I’m kinda regretting my decision right now. $500 is 10 pitching lessons for my kid. It just feels dirty knowing how much they took advantage of me and everybody else with this cash grab by charging $480 right out of the gate for an ehhhh checklist. Could you imagine them doing this in 2021 with one of the worst rookie classes in years? Sigh, I’m kind of talking myself out of opening this, and my son and I always enjoyed this set in particular.

If only there were bonding activities with our kids that didn't cost $600 for 3.2 minutes of enjoyment.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Everyone is a victim. Give him a doll and tell him to point to where Fanatics hurt him.

Only one doll.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

If only there were bonding activities with our kids that didn't cost $600 for 3.2 minutes of enjoyment.

I had a short pop up on YouTube of two smaller kids opening a 2021 National black box with their dad doing the video. You should see the looks on their faces when they discover a Carson Wentz card inside

3.2 seconds of pain.

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I had a short pop up on YouTube of two smaller kids opening a 2021 National black box with their dad doing the video. You should see the looks on their faces when they discover a Carson Wentz card inside

3.2 seconds of pain.

My boy is already already going to be bombarded with Draftkings ads, loot boxes, and buy now-pay later financing in every facet of his life from here on out. Least I can do is not encourage blowing a month's worth of recreational budget on 17 seconds of blind dopamine rush. Happy to let him employ chrome cards as ninja stars with the golden retrievers.