Dwight Gooden should be in the HOF

lseecon · 08-02-2025, 03:45 PM

Why isnt he?

Skipscards · 08-02-2025, 03:50 PM

Ok.

He’s not in because he fell off a cliff in his 30s.

Lonewolf · 08-02-2025, 03:57 PM

Based on his first 5 years or so, it sure looked like he would make the Hall. But yeah, he was awful for the last 5 years of his career.

blackvodka · 08-02-2025, 04:01 PM

He's a guy with a great peak and you could argue he's the best pitcher of the 80's, but his overall body of work isn't there. Plus drugs.

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DioBrando · 08-02-2025, 04:16 PM

He has 53 career WAR so I can see him get in eventually but not anytime soon. Same with most of the other pitchers from the 80's-early 90's like Cone, Brown, Stieb, Saberhagen, Key, Langston, Valenzuela

awz50 · 08-02-2025, 04:37 PM

A lot more people are ahead of him

tjforce · 08-02-2025, 05:37 PM

By the end of his age 20 season he had a WAR of 17.7.

I can't even imagine how nuts people would go for someone today who did that.

awz50 · 08-02-2025, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

By the end of his age 20 season he had a WAR of 17.7.

I can't even imagine how nuts people would go for someone today who did that.

401ks would be cashed

Noles939913 · 08-02-2025, 08:36 PM

Character clause coupled with only really being good/great for 5 years which in turn equals no milestone stats. Pretty simple really.

Onepocketj · 08-02-2025, 08:46 PM

Cocaine

finfangfan · 08-02-2025, 09:04 PM

I kind of agree with HoF because he was such an elite player. But yeah.., unfortunately, his career was derailed by drugs.

livfreely · 08-02-2025, 09:36 PM

So you all are saying he’s Trout

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88horsepower · 08-02-2025, 09:49 PM

If he stayed clean, we'd be talking about him as being one of the greatest pitchers in the history of modern baseball. The mind reels thinking of what the Mets could have been for the next decade or two if Darryl and Doc both stayed healthy and clean.

PuddleMonkey · 08-02-2025, 11:46 PM

Same reason Darryl isn't.

ottobord · 08-03-2025, 10:13 AM

Schilling and Tiant before Gooden please. And maybe a couple others. 1984-86 Gooden was incredible however.

coltsnsox07 · 08-03-2025, 10:32 AM

There better not be any pitcher going in before Curt Schilling.

In the Jacob Misiorowski thread they said he's missing 2 weeks from an owie on his shin, Schilling pitched two games with a sutured into place ruptured ankle tendon in the ALCS and World Series.

awz50 · 08-03-2025, 10:39 AM

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There better not be any pitcher going in before Curt Schilling.

In the Jacob Misiorowski thread they said he's missing 2 weeks from an owie on his shin, Schilling pitched two games with a sutured into place ruptured ankle tendon in the ALCS and World Series.

Ah yes let's risk a young pitchers season because tough man Schilling did it DURING THE PLAYOFFS. Cause regular season and playoffs same thing. Lame take

ReggieBush22 · 08-03-2025, 11:04 AM

No.

Peak/prime just not long enough, no matter how great his peak was. If you let him in, you have to let in dozens more pitchers.

ReggieBush22 · 08-03-2025, 11:08 AM

As mentioned, it is an absolute travesty that Schilling is not in, almost making HOF invalid.

ScooterD · 08-03-2025, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

There better not be any pitcher going in before Curt Schilling.

… or what?

Schilling looks the an HOFer on paper.

To be clear - if something awful were to happen to Verlander or Kershaw before the next vote (a la Clemente or Gehrig), and the HOF would make an exception to the 5-year rule to induct them - you would still want Schilling in first?

HeritageKing · 08-03-2025, 11:44 AM

He didn’t leave an coke for the voters, hence he didn’t get in.

Handsome Wes · 08-03-2025, 12:27 PM

Buddy, I'm a die-hard Mets fan and I don't even think they should have retired his number

rats60 · 08-03-2025, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Noles939913

Character clause coupled with only really being good/great for 5 years which in turn equals no milestone stats. Pretty simple really.

It didn't keep Tim Raines and Dave Parker out of the HOF. Shoulder and arm injuries in 1989 and 1991 derailed his career. Many think they were caused by Gooden throwing too many innings at a young age.

johnlocke36 · 08-03-2025, 02:46 PM

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Shoulder and arm injuries in 1989 and 1991 derailed his career. Many think they were caused by Gooden throwing too many innings at a young age.

I wouldn't say the derailed his career in the sense that outside of 85 he was just pretty good. Like even before those injuries from 86 on he was pretty much just Jake Peavy/Josh Becket with 1 amazing year mixed in.

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ottobord Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 1,791	Schilling and Tiant before Gooden please. And maybe a couple others. 1984-86 Gooden was incredible however.

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coltsnsox07 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22,020	There better not be any pitcher going in before Curt Schilling. In the Jacob Misiorowski thread they said he's missing 2 weeks from an owie on his shin, Schilling pitched two games with a sutured into place ruptured ankle tendon in the ALCS and World Series.

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