Some Star Team sets I picked up today

[daviswr7]

Do any of the companies actually grade these sealed packs and slab them?

Super fun pick up all our factory sealed. The person I purchased them from today says they have quite a bit more.

Also, in the collection was a Michael Jordan 10 card 1986 star set most of which was graded by Beckett, and a GAI graded Gatorade set with the Michael Jordan as well.


57 Total bags.







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[Giantrobot]

Awesome stuff

[JeffroYourHero]

Congrats!

[Gary]

Nobody grades the sealed bags anymore,Unless its some 3rd rate tpg.....Beckett stopped years ago,GAI closed years ago.As long as the seals are good (original star heat seal) and not resealed anyone buying will know an original star heat seal.Anyone who collects these understands the sealed bags are not gradable anymore shouldn't cause an issue in selling down the road.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by Gary

Nobody grades the sealed bags anymore,Unless its some 3rd rate tpg.....Beckett stopped years ago,GAI closed years ago.As long as the seals are good (original star heat seal) and not resealed anyone buying will know an original star heat seal.Anyone who collects these understands the sealed bags are not gradable anymore shouldn't cause an issue in selling down the road.

Agree for the most part but at the same time, given the money involved in some of these bag sets, one would have to ponder, how difficult is it to replicate a plastic bag? Not saying there are any fakes out there but just asking honestly.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Agree for the most part but at the same time, given the money involved in some of these bag sets, one would have to ponder, how difficult is it to replicate a plastic bag? Not saying there are any fakes out there but just asking honestly.

Rebags can be a problem....but ive never seen a rebag that had the correct heat seal so there easy to spot.....and all the rebags ive ever seen were real star cards someone resealed to sell.by fakes you mean counterfeit cards?if so thats not a real problem with star,all the fakes are jordans and easy to spot.

Most of the star issues centered around the shop at home and type II cards....all real star cards just not lic due to back dating for the shop at home and an unauthorized printing in the type II case.more involved that this of course and no need to go in the weeds on it but thats the readers digest version.

I will say though that all the common bags that haven't really been worth a whole lot historically are now fetching much higher prices so who knows what the future holds on new problems.either way there's nothing the op can do to get the sealed bags slabbed currently.maybe BGS will go back to doing it in the future?

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by Gary

Rebags can be a problem....but ive never seen a rebag that had the correct heat seal so there easy to spot.....and all the rebags ive ever seen were real star cards someone resealed to sell.by fakes you mean counterfeit cards?if so thats not a real problem with star,all the fakes are jordans and easy to spot.

Most of the star issues centered around the shop at home and type II cards....all real star cards just not lic due to back dating for the shop at home and an unauthorized printing in the type II case.more involved that this of course and no need to go in the weeds on it but thats the readers digest version.

I will say though that all the common bags that haven't really been worth a whole lot historically are now fetching much higher prices so who knows what the future holds on new problems.either way there's nothing the op can do to get the sealed bags slabbed currently.maybe BGS will go back to doing it in the future?

Yeah, but at the same time, i would have to guess that if someone spent enough time to study how it's done, the specific look of a Star bag seal can be duplicated. And it wouldn't surprise me if they already exist and no one has picked up on it yet because as you said, the prices keep climbing, further incentivizing people to do this.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Yeah, but at the same time, i would have to guess that if someone spent enough time to study how it's done, the specific look of a Star bag seal can be duplicated. And it wouldn't surprise me if they already exist and no one has picked up on it yet because as you said, the prices keep climbing, further incentivizing people to do this.

Well anything is possible i guess.........truth be told if someone can replicate an original star heat seal and the cards are authentic (meaning a rebag) not that i would be happy about it but with such low print runs cant see where going thru everything needed to replicate a real star heat seal would be worth the problem.......you would need a lot of rebags for it to pay.

[daviswr7]

Some more stuff we picked up today.














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[Gary]

That Gold Medalist set is an Shop at home set. the best of the best set is a set not considered by most as legit....some grey area there.

[Somuchjunkwax]

Yes, Beckett won't grade these anymore (the Best of the Best set). That Crunch n' Munch looks really nice. PSA 8's of that do really well. I think there are are only 1 or 2 9's? Get inserts as well! Great cards, congrats.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by Gary

That Gold Medalist set is an Shop at home set. the best of the best set is a set not considered by most as legit....some grey area there.

Exactly.

OP doesn't seem to be aware of some of the issues with Star, two main ones which you mentioned. There is a REASON PSA and SGC didn't grade Star for many years. OP probably wasted a good amount of $$ with some of these questioble buys.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Exactly.

OP doesn't seem to be aware of some of the issues with Star, two main ones which you mentioned. There is a REASON PSA and SGC didn't grade Star for many years. OP probably wasted a good amount of $$ with some of these questioble buys.

We all live and learn....He should just grab a Beckett monthly anything not listed dont buy.That covers all the SAH cards.....dont buy any 85/86 bags/cards bulls,celts,lakers,knicks that are not graded..that covers type ll.....dont buy anything jordan unless its graded.......by graded i mean a reputable trained tpg.follow this very simple advice your problems should be small to none.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by Somuchjunkwax

Yes, Beckett won't grade these anymore (the Best of the Best set). That Crunch n' Munch looks really nice. PSA 8's of that do really well. I think there are are only 1 or 2 9's? Get inserts as well! Great cards, congrats.

Beckett only graded Best of the Best and the Magic subsets for the Schioco SP? set....after the 90 star sale they technically never graded ether set it was a 1 off thing.There is some grey area on those 2 sets......not sure anyone knows for sure but there is some evidence they were printed in 86 under lic but never cut,along with a bunch of uncut Best of the New sheets also part of the 90 star sale.Also with the Crunch n Munch set be aware the SAH had a 86 set with the same name.........the 85 set is original the 86 set is not.....and be aware also the 85 set has an orange and a yellow set......both are original.

[aro13]

There are some great pick ups in your purchases. Well done. The Shop at Home sets are gathering some steam on their own. People are aware of what they are and they are gaining in value.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by aro13

There are some great pick ups in your purchases. Well done. The Shop at Home sets are gathering some steam on their own. People are aware of what they are and they are gaining in value.

What they are is backdated cards, which makes them illegitimate. Just cause they are picking up in value somewhat doesn't change this fact. There is a reason why SGC doesn't even grade Star basketball and why PSA didn't for many years. A lot of shady stuff surrounding their print runs.

[Gary]

Going to be a lot of differing opinions on Star,some will want the SAH and type ll stuff,others will avoid it completely.some will view them as a novelty item... others will see them as sacrilegious.....As long as seller and buyer are aware of the truth, the seller being upfront about the set/card being SAH or type ll and the buyer understanding what he/she is buying.

The problem i see more often than not is a seller NOT saying its a SAH or type ll or if they do they do not tell them it makes the set/card UN-gradeable and not "real" and the buyer thinking they are legit.The poster saying people are aware of what they are and gaining in value?Ive seen no evidence thats even remotely true.....what is probably true is there are people who know what they are but dont buy them..........then people who buy them but have no idea they are not legit.......i know not 1 real star collector that would buy SAH or type ll....

Hell i know very few real star collectors that accept the 90-91 limited lic years cards.....and those cards are legit nobody disputes that.The Star world can be a strange place.....Anyone wanting to get into Star cheap should look at the limited lic years....very short printed...all hof'ers.at some point those cards will gain traction simular to the 83-86 common bags have done recently.