2025 Trade Deadline

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Let's see if they attempt to convert him back to a starter...

I thought about this. The problem is that Miller threw 39 innings in the minors as a starter over a three-year period. Then he became a reliever. They would have to stretch him out over a couple seasons before he could take on a 180-innings load. And by that time, he’d be on the verge of hitting free agency.

And he would still need to learn how to pitch.


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[Soxrule111]

Its fun seeing the reaction from members I dont care for lol.

The Miller deal surprised me.

Still hoping the White Sox can pull 5 deals out today

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Soxrule111

Its fun seeing the reaction from members I dont care for lol.

The Miller deal surprised me.

Still hoping the White Sox can pull 5 deals out today

Do you like me? I need to know

[theredmenace]

I really like this move for the Padres. A lockdown pen can carry a team to the world series (see 2024) and I don't see many teams getting through Estrada/Morejon/Adam/Miller/Suarez. Remember, this is the same team that had the Dodgers on the ropes in the divisional series last year and then ran into the buzzsaw Dodgers pen.

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

I really like this move for the Padres. A lockdown pen can carry a team to the world series (see 2024) and I don't see many teams getting through Estrada/Morejon/Adam/Miller/Suarez. Remember, this is the same team that had the Dodgers on the ropes in the divisional series last year and then ran into the buzzsaw Dodgers pen.

A couple things, Miller’s ERA is closer to four than it is to three…so not so lockdown…and there are rumblings that Estrada is gonna be moved

[cardozo]

Harrison Bader traded to Philly.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

. Miller is a mindless ox just throwing darts in a general direction.


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That’s pretty good for a mindless ox


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

That’s pretty good for a mindless ox


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This doesn’t really prove anything, except maybe my point. A “mindless ox throwing darts” is still hard to hit. But if he were a truly great pitcher—as in, knowing how to mix his pitches, set up hitters, locate, etc—he’d have an ERA under 2.00, or maybe even under 1.00.

Instead, he’s in the high 3’s, with a road ERA of 4.24. How’s he going to do in a tight situation at Los Angeles or at New York in October, or at Detroit or Toronto in late October?

Maybe better defense and playing for something will have a positive impact. But I really don’t see an impact worthy of the #3 overall prospect.


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[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

This doesn’t really prove anything, except maybe my point. A “mindless ox throwing darts” is still hard to hit. But if he were a truly great pitcher—as in, knowing how to mix his pitches, set up hitters, locate, etc—he’d have an ERA under 2.00, or maybe even under 1.00.

Instead, he’s in the high 3’s, with a road ERA of 4.24. How’s he going to do in a tight situation at Los Angeles or at New York in October, or at Detroit or Toronto in late October?

Maybe better defense and playing for something will have a positive impact. But I really don’t see an impact worthy of the #3 overall prospect.


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He gave up 11 runs in 2 innings (take away 2 innings and his era is close to 1). I chalk that up to variance but you don’t have to. He’s given up 2 singles in the last month since. You should always bet on raw stuff and his stuff is better then anyone’s, obv need to keep walks down

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

He gave up 11 runs in 2 innings (take away 2 innings and his era is close to 1). I chalk that up to variance but you don’t have to. He’s given up 2 singles in the last month since. You should always bet on raw stuff and his stuff is better then anyone’s, obv need to keep walks down

Cool story. Did you know there are 13 other relief pitchers who have pitched at least 7 innings in the past month (Miller has thrown 7-2/3) and not allowed an ER? And there are many high-quality relief pitchers who haven’t suffered “variance” meltdowns.


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[premium1981]

I'm glad the Braves haven't really done anything. Not really buying or selling up to this point because everything has been working so well this season.




Sigh




A few hours left. Fingers crossed they can move some dead weight and start looking towards 2026.

[Hollywood42]

He's also pitching half his games in a little league stadium. Miller is a lot better than you're giving him credit for (though I certainly wouldn't say anyone should expect him to switch back to a starter and be Skenes)

Originally Posted by eye4talent

This doesn’t really prove anything, except maybe my point. A “mindless ox throwing darts” is still hard to hit. But if he were a truly great pitcher—as in, knowing how to mix his pitches, set up hitters, locate, etc—he’d have an ERA under 2.00, or maybe even under 1.00.

Instead, he’s in the high 3’s, with a road ERA of 4.24. How’s he going to do in a tight situation at Los Angeles or at New York in October, or at Detroit or Toronto in late October?

Maybe better defense and playing for something will have a positive impact. But I really don’t see an impact worthy of the #3 overall prospect.


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[Hollywood42]

Not going to be a very high profile deal, but Dodgers trade for Brock Stewart. He's going to pitch some huge innings for them in the playoffs. Dude is legit

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

He's also pitching half his games in a little league stadium. Miller is a lot better than you're giving him credit for (though I certainly wouldn't say anyone should expect him to switch back to a starter and be Skenes)

It’s really not that small of a park. The PCL is a hitter’s paradise because many of the cities are high elevation. Sacramento’s advantage is that it has very limited foul territory, but otherwise the dimensions are pretty standard Sacramento’s is basically at sea level. Regardless, Miller has been worse on the road.

I’m not saying he’s bad. I’m just saying he’s not some superhero on the mound. He throws very hard, yes. And he can overwhelm the competition on many nights, yes. But there are many pitchers with better overall results.


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[LVDan]

If they could get a Michael King like outcome by converting Miller that would certainly be good- minus the arm falling off of course
I know nothing about DeVries but if he's the #3 prospect in baseball they certainly think highly of MM as either a starter long term or at least a lockdown bully late in games.
As mr locke states teams seem to be content with stocking as many high 90s+ arms and just letting them go nuts till blowout, rinse and repeat.

[fulltritty]

Jeff Passan
The New York Yankees are finalizing a trade to acquire closer David Bednar from the Pittsburgh Pirates, sources tell ESPN. Deal is pending medical review.

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Preller. Has. Lost. His. Friggin. Mind.

Why are relievers getting prospect packages as big as starters and hitters?

I can't wrap my brain around it. Never will.

Pitching wins championships...that includes relievers. You can never have enough good pitching...Dodgers are a good example.

[cardozo]

Mullins on track to be traded to the Mets.

[ObanMontecristo]

Originally Posted by cardozo

Harrison Bader traded to Philly.

even though they didn’t have to give up anything significant, this is very underwhelming… they need something better than another 4th-outfielder type. Basically Austin Hays or Max Kepler all over again. Hope they do something else

[Jaypers]

I did not expect this.


Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
BREAKING: The Minnesota Twins are trading shortstop Carlos Correa to the Houston Astros, sources tell ESPN.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

I did not expect this.


Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
BREAKING: The Minnesota Twins are trading shortstop Carlos Correa to the Houston Astros, sources tell ESPN.

Whoa!

[Cardsareus84]

Looks like Correa will be playing 3B for the Astros

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

even though they didn’t have to give up anything significant, this is very underwhelming… they need something better than another 4th-outfielder type. Basically Austin Hays or Max Kepler all over again. Hope they do something else

Underwhelming for sure but I’d rather take Bader than say..LouBob-who would probably cost a real prospect or two.
He’s very solid defensively and seems to be maturing as a hitter a bit into his 30s.

[SDcardguy24]

Preller being Preller. Too bad that Salas' value has dropped compared to a year ago. Would have preferred to trade him and hold Leo. Miller is fine but not as dominant as he was last year. Would like to see what they could get for Suarez now but not sure that's the plan.

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Underwhelming for sure but I’d rather take Bader than say..LouBob-who would probably cost a real prospect or two.
He’s very solid defensively and seems to be maturing as a hitter a bit into his 30s.

Bader is a CF upgrade but definitely not the long term solution.