Elly Da La Crux is a defensive liability…

[Rooftop]

Move em to RF…

[OhioLawyerF5]

What? Hard disagree.

[elontusk1119]

What? He still net positive on Defensive fWAR at +1.1. Last season he was +16.7 on defensive fWAR.

[Rooftop]

Leading MLB SS with 15 errors

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Rooftop

Leading MLB SS with 15 errors

Not all that relevant. He led the league in errors last season too and was elite as far as defensive metrics. And the error tonight was on Steer. Elly made an amazing play and a great throw across the diamond and Steer didn't pick it. The batter got a hit because of how impossible the play was, but the error was because a runner advanced to third.

[elontusk1119]

[PuddleMonkey]

Sell!

[redlegs]

Nobody else on that team can hold his jock. Let's enjoy him while we can.

[Gene]

who tf is elly "da la crux"?

[Scottish Punk]

I haven't watched much of his games. But sometimes it is counter intuitive, better players will get more errors. Specifically, ones that have a wide defensive range. They will get to balls and attempt throws others just can't do, sometimes it is a great play, sometimes you get an error. I saw this many years ago with Brandon Inge for the Tigers. People complained about his errors, but he would often range deep into shortstop territory and make a throw to 1st. Perralta was the SS at the time and had cement feet. Perralta's defensive WAR was among the best in the league since he never attempted anything but one step away. Inge got errors for trying to make plays. If I am a manager, I can live with the errors if it comes with some great defensive plays and field coverage.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I haven't watched much of his games. But sometimes it is counter intuitive, better players will get more errors. Specifically, ones that have a wide defensive range. They will get to balls and attempt throws others just can't do, sometimes it is a great play, sometimes you get an error. I saw this many years ago with Brandon Inge for the Tigers. People complained about his errors, but he would often range deep into shortstop territory and make a throw to 1st. Perralta was the SS at the time and had cement feet. Perralta's defensive WAR was among the best in the league since he never attempted anything but one step away. Inge got errors for trying to make plays. If I am a manager, I can live with the errors if it comes with some great defensive plays and field coverage.

So what you are saying is that with Perralta at SS, the batter would get to first on a single. With Inge, they would get to second because of the error.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Rooftop

Leading MLB SS with 15 errors

Not the only one. Volpe has that honor after getting 2 more last night for 15.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by Rooftop

Leading MLB SS with 15 errors

Volpe ensured Elly wouldn't be alone in that category last night!

[Rooftop]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Not all that relevant. He led the league in errors last season too and was elite as far as defensive metrics. And the error tonight was on Steer. Elly made an amazing play and a great throw across the diamond and Steer didn't pick it. The batter got a hit because of how impossible the play was, but the error was because a runner advanced to third.

It was a routine play, nothing spectacular. He bounced the throw 10' in front of Steer, and it was tailing. Was not an easy pick by any means. Plus, he botched the cutoff in the 9th.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Rooftop

It was a routine play, nothing spectacular. He bounced the throw 10' in front of Steer, and it was tailing. Was not an easy pick by any means. Plus, he botched the cutoff in the 9th.

Not true at all. It was a play deep in the hole behind the third baseman on the outfield grass. A super long throw that if you know anything about playing shortstop you know to have any chance to get the runner you have to one hop it to first. Otherwise the runner easily beats the throw. 90% of shortstops don't either get the ball or are able to get it to first in time to beat the runner. Elly did both. The ball just popped out of Steer's glove. The runner stayed at first, so dame result of most shortstops. Elly makes some routine errors. That wasn't one of them and should not have led to this thread. That was a great play, that if Steer makes the pick would be on the highlight reel.

Ironic you give Steer a pass on the pick, and dog on Elly for missing a cutoff that shorthopped him. You just want to complain. The fact is he is a top level defensive shortstop and should stay there.

[ScooterD]

The thread title is stated as a fact, but it seems more like an opinion.

I know that you think he’s a defensive liability - anything to show that it’s known or proven in response to the stats to the contrary above?

[Rooftop]

AI's Response:

Elly De La Cruz, shortstop for the Cincinnati Reds, has been leading MLB in errors for the past two seasons, including the current one. While known for his incredible athleticism and highlight-reel plays, his defensive struggles have been a persistent issue. This season, he's leading shortstops in errors and is last in fielding percentage. Despite this, some analysts suggest his defensive skills could be better utilized in center field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkZ_a28PEW0

[Rooftop]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Not true at all. It was a play deep in the hole behind the third baseman on the outfield grass. A super long throw that if you know anything about playing shortstop you know to have any chance to get the runner you have to one hop it to first. Otherwise the runner easily beats the throw. 90% of shortstops don't either get the ball or are able to get it to first in time to beat the runner. Elly did both. The ball just popped out of Steer's glove. The runner stayed at first, so dame result of most shortstops. Elly makes some routine errors. That wasn't one of them and should not have led to this thread. That was a great play, that if Steer makes the pick would be on the highlight reel.

Ironic you give Steer a pass on the pick, and dog on Elly for missing a cutoff that shorthopped him. You just want to complain. The fact is he is a top level defensive shortstop and should stay there.

Find the video and let the jury decide, Counselor

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by Rooftop

Find the video and let the jury decide, Counselor

Can you share the video?

[unreal13]

With the way our season's going we'll do the Reds a solid and trade Nick Allen for him. They'll just owe us one.

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by Rooftop

AI's Response:

Elly De La Cruz, shortstop for the Cincinnati Reds, has been leading MLB in errors for the past two seasons, including the current one. While known for his incredible athleticism and highlight-reel plays, his defensive struggles have been a persistent issue. This season, he's leading shortstops in errors and is last in fielding percentage. Despite this, some analysts suggest his defensive skills could be better utilized in center field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkZ_a28PEW0

Its pretty indicative if you have your own error mixtape so early in your career.

[Rooftop]

Reds get KBH from the pirates..no help

[Gene]

Pretty much tells you all you need to know that the guy trashes a decent-fielding SS whose name he can't even spell, then when the team acquires the best defensive 3B in the league this year BY FAR, deems that as "no help"

[Fulmer4MVP]

Originally Posted by Gene

Pretty much tells you all you need to know that the guy trashes a decent-fielding SS whose name he can't even spell, then when the team acquires the best defensive 3B in the league this year BY FAR, deems that as "no help"

He is great defensively, but he has regressed on offense the last couple years. I wouldn't say no help, but its not optimal for a team that needs offense.

[fulltritty]

And now Volpe has passed him for most errors in the MLB with 16.