Salary Cap/Pending Lockout Thread

[brothertona]

Lots of talk about the league finally going full bore into a salary cap. I think we're headed into a lockout in 2027, what are your thoughts?

Boras (I know blowhard) mentioned Harper - essentially got a larger bonus than any player in this years draft. Strasburg got a larger bonus in 2009 than anyone has gotten since.

[fulltritty]

You mean this issue didn't get dropped after Harper cursed at Manfred to get out of the clubhouse the other day if he was going to discuss it? I'm shocked.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Lots of talk about the league finally going full bore into a salary cap. I think we're headed into a lockout in 2027, what are your thoughts?

Boras (I know blowhard) mentioned Harper - essentially got a larger bonus than any player in this years draft. Strasburg got a larger bonus in 2009 than anyone has gotten since.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

You mean this issue didn't get dropped after Harper cursed at Manfred to get out of the clubhouse the other day if he was going to discuss it? I'm shocked.

That's a clown question, bro.

[premium1981]

Baseball needs to get rid of Tony Clark, Scott Boras, Rob Manfred, and Arte Moreno. As long as those guys are around we are most likely in for heartache. And it saddens me to think after our game has gotten so popular recently. The new exciting players have brought a lot of young fans into the game and baseball is doing so well. The sport can take another giant leap forwards with good negotiations and expansion. But we all know know that greed will get the best of both sides.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Baseball needs to get rid of Tony Clark, Scott Boras, Rob Manfred, and Arte Moreno. As long as those guys are around we are most likely in for heartache. And it saddens me to think after our game has gotten so popular recently. The new exciting players have brought a lot of young fans into the game and baseball is doing so well. The sport can take another giant leap forwards with good negotiations and expansion. But we all know know that greed will get the best of both sides.

Launch cheapskate Bob Nutting into the sun too.

[JRX]

From what I read, Hal is on board with the salary cap, are the only two against it Cohen and the Dodgers? If MLB wants to go down this road then they need to pool all revenues.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

From what I read, Hal is on board with the salary cap, are the only two against it Cohen and the Dodgers? If MLB wants to go down this road then they need to pool all revenues.

Of course he is because he's cheap.

[rcgdodge]

If they do miss a season, that will hurt the legacy of a bunch of possible hall of fame players.

It would probably stop guys like Stanton or Trout from making it to 500 HRs.

Could also seriously hamper Machado, Judge, Harper or Ohtani from getting close to 500.
This generation already missed most of 2020 due to COVID.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Of course he is because he's cheap.

I think its more that he's only rich because of the Yankees, but yeah they're near the bottom in terms of payroll as a percent of revenue.

[base set]

We’ve got to get Tarik Skubal to $20,000 for every Pitch thrown, somehow.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by rcgdodge

If they do miss a season, that will hurt the legacy of a bunch of possible hall of fame players.

It would probably stop guys like Stanton or Trout from making it to 500 HRs.

Could also seriously hamper Machado, Judge, Harper or Ohtani from getting close to 500.
This generation already missed most of 2020 due to COVID.

Your line of thinking was the same as mine. Covid already took half a season counting stats. A prolonged lockout could take another half of season (or more). It does feel like some form of lockout is an inevitability. The last hiccup only cost the MLB a condensed pre-season. I can see this one digging into actual season games.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Well at least Trout wouldn't miss any games in 2027 due to injury...

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Your line of thinking was the same as mine. Covid already took half a season counting stats. A prolonged lockout could take another half of season (or more). It does feel like some form of lockout is an inevitability. The last hiccup only cost the MLB a condensed pre-season. I can see this one digging into actual season games.

Think of all the seasons lost to war in the 40's (or two wars in Ted Williams' case). HOF is more so a comparison with peers than it is a counting stats thing (though some bubble guys might be hurt because of it).

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

I think its more that he's only rich because of the Yankees, but yeah they're near the bottom in terms of payroll as a percent of revenue.

I wonder what the team would be like if Swindal just would have stayed married to George's daughter and took over the team. I think I could put up with a lot of crap in a marriage if I knew it would lead me to owning the Yankees.

[JRX]

Of the four major sports, baseball seems to have the most disparity. Now a lot of that is due to cheap owners, but a lot is also due to the uneven value of tv deals where the Dodgers and Yankees are worth a ton and you have to pay people to watch the Pirates (jk). Unless the owners agree to pool all regional money nothing will change. I know they're trying to move everyone to mlb and a number of teams you can buy direct through mlb bypassing cable, but they can't have a salary cap unless all revenue is pooled. Even then the players will likely never agree to it.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Your line of thinking was the same as mine. Covid already took half a season counting stats. A prolonged lockout could take another half of season (or more). It does feel like some form of lockout is an inevitability. The last hiccup only cost the MLB a condensed pre-season. I can see this one digging into actual season games.

1994 and part of 1995 were lost and that still stings. Some players like Griffey, Gwynn, Bagwell, and Thomas were having monster seasons when the season ended early in 94 and then of course part of 1995 was cut short. Let's hope people come to their senses and don't let something like this happen again.

[JRX]

They also need to limit impact of deferrals as its clear players won't agree to them from all teams.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by JRX

Of the four major sports, baseball seems to have the most disparity. Now a lot of that is due to cheap owners, but a lot is also due to the uneven value of tv deals where the Dodgers and Yankees are worth a ton and you have to pay people to watch the Pirates (jk). Unless the owners agree to pool all regional money nothing will change. I know they're trying to move everyone to mlb and a number of teams you can buy direct through mlb bypassing cable, but they can't have a salary cap unless all revenue is pooled. Even then the players will likely never agree to it.

I agree, revenue sharing did a lot for the NBA when it comes to making it so teams with less money can now afford to field better rosters

Of course a guy like Bryce Harper doesn't like it because he can't get paid $500 million over ten years anymore but it is better for everyone else and he is still just one vote

[JRX]

Originally Posted by kipgen

I agree, revenue sharing did a lot for the NBA when it comes to making it so teams with less money can now afford to field better rosters

Of course a guy like Bryce Harper doesn't like it because he can't get paid $500 million over ten years anymore but it is better for everyone else and he is still just one vote

It hasn't actually stopped nba and nfl salaries from increasing though. You clearly can't have a cap without a floor and pooled revenue sharing.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by JRX

It hasn't actually stopped nba and nfl salaries from increasing though. You clearly can't have a cap without a floor and pooled revenue sharing.

Sure, I'd be fine with putting those things in the MLB

[boxbuster7]

they'll figure it out

too much money on the line

[asujbl]

There is absolutely going to be a lockout

I’d put Emmanuel Clase money on it

[ottobord]

Is there an economic problem in the league right now? Honest question. There always is the small market vs big market team issue. Is it getting worse?

[erock28]

Originally Posted by JRX

Of the four major sports, baseball seems to have the most disparity. Now a lot of that is due to cheap owners, but a lot is also due to the uneven value of tv deals where the Dodgers and Yankees are worth a ton and you have to pay people to watch the Pirates (jk). Unless the owners agree to pool all regional money nothing will change. I know they're trying to move everyone to mlb and a number of teams you can buy direct through mlb bypassing cable, but they can't have a salary cap unless all revenue is pooled. Even then the players will likely never agree to it.

The TV/streaming deals are absolutely driving the massive disparity of payroll. Add a cap, add a floor - doesn't really change much if the Dodgers have a $200-300 MILLION dollar head start on most other teams. The NFL figured this out, so only the poorly managed teams (looking at you Cleveland, Jacksonville, up until 4 years ago Detroit) go into each season without much hope. It's not a money issue, it's a talent in front office/personnel issue.

Originally Posted by kipgen

I agree, revenue sharing did a lot for the NBA when it comes to making it so teams with less money can now afford to field better rosters

Of course a guy like Bryce Harper doesn't like it because he can't get paid $500 million over ten years anymore but it is better for everyone else and he is still just one vote

Harper is a joke, so were the other superstars on 9 figure mega deals who spearheaded the charge in 2022. They TALKED about wanting to get more money down to the minor leagues, younger players still under club control, etc. But at the end of the day, they won't agree to a salary cap. Why? To protect their own massive salaries at the expense of everyone else. If MLB added a floor AND a cap, average salaries could and would remain about the same, but money would get distributed from the top to the bottom. Of course, this is all irrelevant without equal TV/streaming revenue...but baseball could do a great job of rewarding more players with larger salaries and reduce the amount of mega contracts --- other than the handful of players making $20MM+ per year, who wouldn't be behind that?

[erock28]

Originally Posted by ottobord

Is there an economic problem in the league right now? Honest question. There always is the small market vs big market team issue. Is it getting worse?

Short answer, 1000x yes. TV/streaming deals allow for a massive head start to a handful of teams. Hundreds of millions head start. The Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Braves, etc. will always be able to buy the biggest names so long as MLB allows for individual viewing deals.

But, it is more complicated than that. While my Crew hasn't won a WS...they are the smallest market in baseball and are well on their way to a 7th postseason in 8 years. Their farm system is top 3 in the game. Their player development is arguably the best. The front office seems to always make the right moves. As a result, their present and near future looks VERY rosy. Biggest reason for that is club control for 6 MLB seasons. So long as those rules remain status quo, well run franchises can compete every year.